0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,249 Arr CHI 1975-07-03 My Mission Is To Stop the Crimes --etc 1 00:00:13,250 --> 00:00:17,459 ANNOUNCER: The following is an arrival address and conversation, 2 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:22,989 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:45,189 recorded on the 3rd of July 1975, in Chicago, Illinois. 4 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:48,229 DEVOTEE: Your Divine Grace, this is Royal Kennedy from NBC television. 5 00:00:48,230 --> 00:00:48,909 ROYAL KENNEDY: How do you do? 6 00:00:48,910 --> 00:00:51,229 DEVOTEE (1): She would like to ask you some questions. 7 00:00:51,230 --> 00:00:55,189 I would like to know why are you visiting Chicago? 8 00:00:55,190 --> 00:01:02,059 PRABHUPĀDA: Just now I have seen one article in the Times, four five pages article, 9 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:03,905 “Crime…,” and what is that? 10 00:01:03,906 --> 00:01:05,555 BRAHMĀNANDA: “Why and How to Solve It.” 11 00:01:05,556 --> 00:01:06,485 “Why and How to Solve It.” 12 00:01:06,486 --> 00:01:07,825 It’s the cover story of Time. 13 00:01:07,826 --> 00:01:12,765 So if you are serious, you can take our method and suggestions. 14 00:01:12,766 --> 00:01:16,025 Then you can stop this crime. 15 00:01:16,026 --> 00:01:18,065 - You have a way to stop the crime? - Oh, yes, I have. 16 00:01:18,066 --> 00:01:20,965 Can you explain a little bit more? 17 00:01:20,966 --> 00:01:22,415 How do you do it? 18 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:24,295 That we have to suggest. 19 00:01:24,296 --> 00:01:31,665 The social, political, educational, cultural—everything has to be changed. 20 00:01:31,666 --> 00:01:37,225 So if you come, we can give you in details how it can be done. 21 00:01:37,226 --> 00:01:41,055 Can you tell me how you feel about this welcome that you got? 22 00:01:41,056 --> 00:01:46,995 Yes; of course, by God’s grace, wherever I go they welcome me like that. 23 00:01:46,996 --> 00:01:51,115 Are you used to anything a little bit more serene? 24 00:01:51,116 --> 00:01:55,163 Serene; of course, our whole propaganda is serene. 25 00:01:55,164 --> 00:01:56,576 Yes. 26 00:01:56,577 --> 00:01:59,780 We are distributing God consciousness. 27 00:01:59,781 --> 00:02:02,576 It is the most serene movement. 28 00:02:02,577 --> 00:02:04,754 People has to learn it very nicely. 29 00:02:04,755 --> 00:02:07,346 Thank you. [break] 30 00:02:07,347 --> 00:02:12,936 My message is to stop the crimes of your country. 31 00:02:12,937 --> 00:02:15,306 This is my sum and substance. 32 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:22,116 We have read the article in the Times, “Crime and How to Stop It.” 33 00:02:22,117 --> 00:02:29,076 So if you take my advice, that can be stopped. [break] 34 00:02:29,077 --> 00:02:32,066 - …opportunity to propagate. - Yes. 35 00:02:32,067 --> 00:02:35,286 - Crimes and how to stop… - Why and how to stop it. 36 00:02:35,287 --> 00:02:36,896 Why and how to. 37 00:02:36,897 --> 00:02:42,333 That is answered in Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, actually. [break] 38 00:02:42,334 --> 00:02:48,196 …condition of the world, simply full of criminals, that’s all. 39 00:02:48,197 --> 00:02:56,246 And our is… pāpī tāpī jata chilo hari- nāme uddhārilo [Hari Hari Biphale] 40 00:02:56,247 --> 00:02:57,437 This is our movement. 41 00:02:57,438 --> 00:03:01,277 Crimes means pāpī, sinful. 42 00:03:01,278 --> 00:03:08,697 And this is the only remedy for reclaiming the sinful. 43 00:03:08,698 --> 00:03:14,597 Simply by law if you want to suppress them, it will not be successful. 44 00:03:14,598 --> 00:03:16,407 Deliver them. 45 00:03:16,408 --> 00:03:20,617 Then you also come, I mean to say, come along with them. 46 00:03:20,618 --> 00:03:24,960 Not that these criminals only should be delivered, and you will go on, 47 00:03:24,961 --> 00:03:27,508 continue with criminal activities, slaughterhouse, 48 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:32,637 and killing the child in the womb. 49 00:03:32,638 --> 00:03:41,287 You are criminal yourself, the whole state. 50 00:03:41,288 --> 00:03:47,932 - So reception was very nice. - Oh, yes. 51 00:03:47,933 --> 00:03:57,777 - So we are going to the temple? - ŚRĪ GOVINDA: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [splice] 52 00:03:57,778 --> 00:04:02,597 …śāstra says, pāpī tāpī jata chilo hari- nāme uddhārilo. [Hari Hari Biphale] 53 00:04:02,598 --> 00:04:07,557 Simply by this chanting, all these things can be stopped. 54 00:04:07,558 --> 00:04:10,147 There is no doubt about it. 55 00:04:10,148 --> 00:04:12,188 They are spending so much money 56 00:04:12,189 --> 00:04:20,504 uselessly going to the moon planet and this planet, and for stopping crime. 57 00:04:20,505 --> 00:04:26,413 The same amount may be spent for distribution of prasāda, 58 00:04:26,414 --> 00:04:29,347 and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa in a mass scale. 59 00:04:29,348 --> 00:04:31,517 Everything [indistinct] [will be all right]. 60 00:04:31,518 --> 00:04:33,288 Mass scale. 61 00:04:33,289 --> 00:04:40,568 Simply organize nice prasādam distribution and mass joining Hare Kṛṣṇa. 62 00:04:40,569 --> 00:04:43,188 Just see [the effect]. 63 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:47,478 There is proof of it just in Berkeley where we have our Ratha-yātrā. 64 00:04:47,479 --> 00:04:50,578 The police say that this… Or we have our parades there, 65 00:04:50,579 --> 00:04:53,508 and they are all peaceful, whereas other groups, 66 00:04:53,509 --> 00:04:54,938 - they have parades, and they always… - “Window-breaking. 67 00:04:54,939 --> 00:04:56,720 Window-breaking crowd. 68 00:04:56,721 --> 00:05:01,158 We are not like that.” [splice] 69 00:05:01,159 --> 00:05:10,558 - Let them have this O’Hare Kṛṣṇa. - Yes, O’Hare Kṛṣṇa. 70 00:05:10,559 --> 00:05:18,408 Suggest the establishment manager. 71 00:05:18,409 --> 00:05:20,505 - That’s the name of the airport. - Huh? 72 00:05:20,506 --> 00:05:23,753 That’s the name of the airport. 73 00:05:23,754 --> 00:05:24,263 What is that? 74 00:05:24,264 --> 00:05:32,160 - He said the name of the airport is… O'Hare - PRABHUPĀDA: Oh; O’Hare? 75 00:05:32,161 --> 00:05:37,361 - [indistinct] This is airport A’Hare? - O'Hare? - We, O'Hare. 76 00:05:37,362 --> 00:05:39,262 - Hare? - O'Hare. 77 00:05:39,263 --> 00:05:44,269 - O’Hare. - I think that is an Irish name. 78 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:46,139 Who was he? 79 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:50,469 Who was O’Hare? 80 00:05:50,470 --> 00:05:57,949 We chant O Hare. [splice] 81 00:05:57,950 --> 00:06:00,729 “Crime, Why and How to Solve It.” 82 00:06:00,730 --> 00:06:04,509 So we can solve this. 83 00:06:04,510 --> 00:06:12,249 Why not invite them to hear us how we can solve? 84 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:16,349 Arrange meetings in big, big circle. 85 00:06:16,350 --> 00:06:20,150 We shall give the solution. 86 00:06:20,151 --> 00:06:23,590 It is a good opportunity for preaching. 87 00:06:23,591 --> 00:06:25,650 You have got Times paper? 88 00:06:25,651 --> 00:06:29,350 Yes, time magazine, it’s the cover story this month. 89 00:06:29,351 --> 00:06:30,360 Not here. 90 00:06:30,361 --> 00:06:33,760 - In five or ten minutes. - Yes, bring. 91 00:06:33,761 --> 00:06:38,470 We shall take this opportunity to preach. 92 00:06:38,471 --> 00:06:42,210 “Crime, Why and What to Do?” 93 00:06:42,211 --> 00:06:47,840 We shall give all solution. 94 00:06:47,841 --> 00:07:00,840 We can arrange big, big meetings on this point, “Crime, Why and What to Do?” 95 00:07:00,841 --> 00:07:05,380 A very suitable heading it is. 96 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:09,290 harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā [SB 5.18.12] 97 00:07:09,291 --> 00:07:13,010 Unless he’ll take to God consciousness, all this rascaldom, 98 00:07:13,011 --> 00:07:21,870 so-called advancement of civilization, all condemned, everything. 99 00:07:21,871 --> 00:07:23,230 All rascals. 100 00:07:23,231 --> 00:07:25,760 So why we will not, will there be crime? 101 00:07:25,761 --> 00:07:27,550 There must be. 102 00:07:27,551 --> 00:07:33,190 This is the result of modern civilization, crime. 103 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:41,230 You cannot check it unless you take to Kṛṣṇa cons… 104 00:07:41,231 --> 00:07:47,891 They are all violating the laws of nature. 105 00:07:47,892 --> 00:07:57,531 Nature brings you from evolutionary process to the human life, 106 00:07:57,532 --> 00:08:08,371 and if we misuse, then we suffer. 107 00:08:08,372 --> 00:08:14,291 This life is specially meant for understanding God. 108 00:08:14,292 --> 00:08:18,681 athāto brahma jijṣāsā [Vedānta-sūtra 1] 109 00:08:18,682 --> 00:08:19,901 This is the only business. 110 00:08:19,902 --> 00:08:29,831 jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā na yaś ceha karmabhiḥ [SB 1.2.10] 111 00:08:29,832 --> 00:08:31,301 jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā [SB 1.2.10] 112 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:36,381 - Find out this verse. - NITĀI: First Canto, Second Chapter. 113 00:08:36,382 --> 00:08:38,051 We have given all solution. 114 00:08:38,052 --> 00:08:45,482 Now our business is how to push it through these leaders, 115 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:51,631 who are now thinking, “Crime, Why and What…?” 116 00:08:51,632 --> 00:08:55,091 They are thinking. 117 00:08:55,092 --> 00:08:56,041 They must think. 118 00:08:56,042 --> 00:09:01,341 If they actually want welfare of the country, they must think. 119 00:09:01,342 --> 00:09:04,642 And here is the medicine; yes? 120 00:09:04,643 --> 00:09:09,038 kāmasya nendriya-prītir lābho jīveta yāvatā 121 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:15,252 jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ [SB 1.2.10] 122 00:09:15,253 --> 00:09:19,552 “Life’s desires should never be aimed at gratifying the senses. 123 00:09:19,553 --> 00:09:23,066 One should desire to live only because human life 124 00:09:23,067 --> 00:09:26,592 enables one to inquire about the Absolute Truth. 125 00:09:26,593 --> 00:09:30,362 This should be the goal of all works.” 126 00:09:30,363 --> 00:09:34,012 kāmasya nendriya-prītiḥ [SB 1.2.10] 127 00:09:34,013 --> 00:09:36,492 Purport? 128 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:41,247 “The completely bewildered material civilization is wrongly directed 129 00:09:41,248 --> 00:09:45,118 towards the fulfillment of desires in sense gratification.” 130 00:09:45,119 --> 00:09:55,270 Simply wine, women, beach, and sporting, jumping like monkeys. [splice] 131 00:09:55,271 --> 00:09:56,612 Read it. 132 00:09:56,613 --> 00:09:59,874 “In such civilization, in all spheres of life, 133 00:09:59,875 --> 00:10:02,826 the ultimate end is sense gratification. 134 00:10:02,827 --> 00:10:08,534 In politics, social service, altruism, philanthropy and ultimately in religion, 135 00:10:08,535 --> 00:10:12,884 or even in salvation, the very same tint of sense gratification, 136 00:10:12,885 --> 00:10:16,972 is ever-increasingly predominant. 137 00:10:16,973 --> 00:10:21,201 In the political field the leaders of men fight with one another, 138 00:10:21,202 --> 00:10:23,092 to fulfill their personal sense gratification.” 139 00:10:23,093 --> 00:10:30,282 In India, these are all foreseen. 140 00:10:30,283 --> 00:10:33,822 I have already discussed all this. 141 00:10:33,823 --> 00:10:34,942 Then? 142 00:10:34,943 --> 00:10:40,902 “The voters adore the so-called leaders only when they promise sense gratification. 143 00:10:40,903 --> 00:10:45,083 As soon as the voters are dissatisfied in their own sense gratification, 144 00:10:45,084 --> 00:10:47,913 they dethrone the leaders. 145 00:10:47,914 --> 00:10:53,413 The leaders almost always disappoint the voters by not satisfying their senses.” 146 00:10:53,414 --> 00:10:58,773 Then the protest meeting, procession. 147 00:10:58,774 --> 00:11:02,178 But nobody will be satisfied, able to satisfy them, 148 00:11:02,179 --> 00:11:07,213 because they do not know, how to keep the mass of people satisfied. 149 00:11:07,214 --> 00:11:10,443 They do not know. 150 00:11:10,444 --> 00:11:15,613 lokasya ajānataḥ vidvān cakre sātvata-saṁhitām [SB 1.7.6] 151 00:11:15,614 --> 00:11:19,433 These rascals, they do not know. 152 00:11:19,434 --> 00:11:24,583 All set of rascals, the so- called philosophers, scientists. 153 00:11:24,584 --> 00:11:28,093 I have always said they are rascals. 154 00:11:28,094 --> 00:11:31,483 Now they are coming, “What to do?” 155 00:11:31,484 --> 00:11:36,943 They will face so many problems, “What to do?”… This is the beginning. 156 00:11:36,944 --> 00:11:44,813 The whole world will be in chaos if they do not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 157 00:11:44,814 --> 00:11:47,833 So many “What to do?” will come. 158 00:11:47,834 --> 00:11:51,603 Just tell them, “And here is the remedy.” 159 00:11:51,604 --> 00:11:54,278 Now it is the time for preaching. 160 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,083 They are thinking. 161 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:58,133 They were sleeping. 162 00:11:58,134 --> 00:12:05,913 Now they are thinking, “What to do?” 163 00:12:05,914 --> 00:12:10,203 They were blindly following sense gratification. 164 00:12:10,204 --> 00:12:16,040 Now it has come to the stage, “What to do?” 165 00:12:16,041 --> 00:12:19,413 “What to do?”… This is athāto brahma jijṣāsā: [Vedānta-sūtra 1] 166 00:12:19,414 --> 00:12:20,913 “Now enquire about Brahman.” 167 00:12:20,914 --> 00:12:24,376 This is the statement. 168 00:12:24,377 --> 00:12:25,693 Hm, then? 169 00:12:25,694 --> 00:12:28,673 “The same is applicable in all other fields; 170 00:12:28,674 --> 00:12:32,043 no one is serious about the problems of life. 171 00:12:32,044 --> 00:12:35,258 Even those who are on the path of salvation desire to become one with the 172 00:12:35,259 --> 00:12:40,194 Absolute Truth and desire to commit spiritual suicide for sense gratification.” 173 00:12:40,195 --> 00:12:46,924 That is also another sense gratification, to become one with the Supreme. 174 00:12:46,925 --> 00:12:52,114 “But the Bhāgavatam says that one should not live for sense gratification. 175 00:12:52,115 --> 00:12:58,004 One should satisfy the senses only insofar as it is required for self-preservation…” 176 00:12:58,005 --> 00:13:00,794 We don’t say that “Stop altogether.” 177 00:13:00,795 --> 00:13:02,304 No. 178 00:13:02,305 --> 00:13:05,185 We say, “No illicit sex.” 179 00:13:05,186 --> 00:13:11,484 We don’t say, “No sex.” 180 00:13:11,485 --> 00:13:17,520 So we should indulge in sense gratification, 181 00:13:17,521 --> 00:13:21,693 as far as it is required for the maintenance of the body, 182 00:13:21,694 --> 00:13:28,354 and balance time, we shall save for brahma-jijñāsā; this is civilization. 183 00:13:28,355 --> 00:13:32,004 Otherwise it is animal civilization. 184 00:13:32,005 --> 00:13:34,794 So that has come now. 185 00:13:34,795 --> 00:13:41,014 So the American people, the leaders, they are now thinking, “What to do?” 186 00:13:41,015 --> 00:13:46,419 And call big, big men, and give our program, 187 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:50,904 “Here is to do; come here to do.” 188 00:13:50,905 --> 00:13:53,444 This is opportunity. 189 00:13:53,445 --> 00:13:54,914 Then? 190 00:13:54,915 --> 00:13:56,945 “Because the body is made of senses, 191 00:13:56,946 --> 00:14:00,355 which also require a certain amount of satisfaction, 192 00:14:00,356 --> 00:14:04,475 there are regulative directions for satisfaction of such senses, 193 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:08,765 but the senses are not meant for unrestricted enjoyment. 194 00:14:08,766 --> 00:14:12,715 - For example, marriage…” - That is not enjoyment. 195 00:14:12,716 --> 00:14:15,355 Just like sex indulgence. 196 00:14:15,356 --> 00:14:23,045 If you indulge in more than necessary, then you will be impotent. 197 00:14:23,046 --> 00:14:25,125 Nature will stop. 198 00:14:25,126 --> 00:14:28,045 You know impotency? 199 00:14:28,046 --> 00:14:32,865 That will be there. 200 00:14:32,866 --> 00:14:40,975 Impotency; this homosex is also another sign of impotency. 201 00:14:40,976 --> 00:14:49,135 They do not feel sex impulse to woman. 202 00:14:49,136 --> 00:14:52,245 They feel sex impulse in man. 203 00:14:52,246 --> 00:14:58,305 That means he is impotent. 204 00:14:58,306 --> 00:15:01,545 It is impotency. 205 00:15:01,546 --> 00:15:05,525 So things are coming so rubbish now. 206 00:15:05,526 --> 00:15:14,065 This is the time for preaching our program, standard. 207 00:15:14,066 --> 00:15:15,715 Then? 208 00:15:15,716 --> 00:15:17,476 “For example, marriage, 209 00:15:17,477 --> 00:15:22,446 or the combination of a man with a woman, is necessary for progeny, 210 00:15:22,447 --> 00:15:25,276 but it is not meant for sense enjoyment.” 211 00:15:25,277 --> 00:15:29,976 Now this progeny is bother. 212 00:15:29,977 --> 00:15:35,956 It is sense enjoyment, homosex. 213 00:15:35,957 --> 00:15:41,186 Progeny, they don’t want; they’re not interested. 214 00:15:41,187 --> 00:15:45,156 Only sense gratification. 215 00:15:45,157 --> 00:15:50,226 This is another sign of impotency. 216 00:15:50,227 --> 00:15:55,986 When after enjoying so many women, they become impotent, 217 00:15:55,987 --> 00:16:01,356 then they artificially create another sex impulse in homosex. 218 00:16:01,357 --> 00:16:07,586 This is the psychology. 219 00:16:07,587 --> 00:16:11,426 So people are degraded so much. 220 00:16:11,427 --> 00:16:17,136 Especially in the… Everywhere, not specially this or that; everywhere. 221 00:16:17,137 --> 00:16:19,276 This is Kali-yuga. 222 00:16:19,277 --> 00:16:22,996 But thoughtful leaders, they are thinking, “What to do?” 223 00:16:22,997 --> 00:16:29,336 That’s very good sign; and take advantage and give them program, 224 00:16:29,337 --> 00:16:34,265 exactly to the direction of Bhagavad-gītā. 225 00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:36,327 Then the world will be saved. 226 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,287 Otherwise it is doomed. 227 00:16:39,288 --> 00:16:43,427 It is a fact. 228 00:16:43,428 --> 00:16:48,917 This is the opportunity for preaching. 229 00:16:48,918 --> 00:16:53,197 You can take that paper and heading. 230 00:16:53,198 --> 00:16:55,247 There are so many headings. 231 00:16:55,248 --> 00:17:00,237 Each heading reply. 232 00:17:00,238 --> 00:17:04,806 We are the only persons who can give solution; there is no other, 233 00:17:04,807 --> 00:17:08,817 group or any man in the world; we are only. 234 00:17:08,818 --> 00:17:13,265 So let them take advantage of our knowledge, 235 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:22,103 and apply in the society to the… 236 00:17:22,104 --> 00:17:26,987 That’s all right. 237 00:17:26,988 --> 00:17:33,159 Now all the sannyāsīs have got the good opportunity to preach. 238 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,845 Hmm. 239 00:17:35,846 --> 00:17:35,847 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Jitarati Dāsa & Pratyatoṣa Dāsa