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Bg 04-24 NM 1976-08-04 Krishna is there -- But You --etc
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ANNOUNCER: The following is a class on
the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, 4th chapter,
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text number 24, given by His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 4th of August, 1976, in Paris, France.
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PRADYUMNA: Translation:
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“A person who is fully absorbed in
Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sure to attain
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the spiritual kingdom because of his
full contribution to spiritual activities,
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in which the consummation is absolute
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and that which is offered is of the
same spiritual nature.” [splice]
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PRABHUPĀDA: So discuss any question.
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YOGEŚVARA: Sometimes we
speak of the material energy
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as being different from the spiritual energy
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and other times we speak of all
energies being ultimately spiritual,
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so what is the understanding?
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Just like the electricity energy, is
coming from the same source.
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But it is being utilized for different purposes.
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Sometimes it is helping to make cooler,
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and sometimes it is helping to make heater.
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But cooler and heater are two opposite things.
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But it is being done by the same energy.
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How it is being done?
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In the Vedānta-sūtra it is said
Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB. 1.1.1].
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Brahma or absolute truth is that
from where everything is emanating.
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Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,
Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8].
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“I am the source of everything.”
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Mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8].
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“Everything is coming from Me.”
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So in another place, to make further clear,
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bhūmir āpo ’nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca…
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bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4].
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“These eight energies, they are My energies.”
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Aṣṭadhā, eight.
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Earth, water, air fire, sky, mind, intelligence, ego.
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Bhinnā: Separated.
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Just like I am speaking in the
dictaphone, but after some time,
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without me, it will speak exactly like this.
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So, I am speaking, but I’m not present there.
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Similarly, material world means it is being
conducted by Kṛṣṇa, but still, Kṛṣṇa,
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personally, He’s not present there.
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In another place Kṛṣṇa says that,
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mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad
avyakta-mūrtinā
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mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ [Bg. 9.4].
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Find out this verse.
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Kṛṣṇa’s energies present, and Kṛṣṇa
is seemingly absent, that is material.
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JAYATĪRTHA: Mayā tatam idaṁ
sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtinā
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mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na
cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ [Bg. 9.4].
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”By Me, in My unmanifested form,
this entire universe is pervaded.
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All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.” [splice]
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So, it is understood or if there
is difficulty, you can question?
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FRENCH DEVOTEE: What does it mean
when Kṛṣṇa says “I am not in them”?
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Huh?
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“I am not in them” because you cannot see there.
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Kṛṣṇa is there, but you cannot see Him.
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You are not advanced.
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Just like another example.
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Here is, the sunlight is here.
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Everyone experiences.
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But that does not mean sun is here.
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Is it clear?
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Sun is here means… Sunshine is here means sun is here.
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But still, because you are in the sunshine,
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you cannot say “Now I’ve captured the sun.”
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Sunlight is existing in the sun, but
sun is not present in the sunshine.
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Without sun there is no sunshine.
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That does not mean the sunshine is sun.
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At same time, you can say the sunshine means sun.
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This is called acintya-bhedābheda:
Simultaneously one and different.
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In the sunshine you feel the presence of the sun,
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but if you are able to enter in the sun
globe, you can meet the sun god also.
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Actually, the sunshine means
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the rays of the body of the
person living in the sun globe.
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That is explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā,
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Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi [Bs. 5.40].
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On account of Kṛṣṇa’s… You have
seen Kṛṣṇa’s effulgence is coming.
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That is the source of everything.
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That expansion of that effulgence is the
brahmajyoti, and in that brahmajyoti,
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innumerable spiritual planets,
material planets, are generated.
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And in each and every planet
there are varieties of presentation.
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Actually, the origin is the Kṛṣṇa’s rays of the body,
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and the rays of the body’s origin is Kṛṣṇa.
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Any other questions? [splice]
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DEVOTEE: We say that Kṛṣṇa
is present within the spiritual,
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within the heart of the living entity.
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Kṛṣṇa is present everywhere.
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As a person or as an energy?
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In His energy.
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Also person.
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person we cannot see with the
present eyes, but energy we can feel.
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Clear this point more and more.
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So when fully realized, then this verse,
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that everything is brahma, Sarvaṁ khalv
idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14].
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The advanced devotee, he does
not see anything except Kṛṣṇa.
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Śrīla Prabhupāda,
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is there is actual difference between the
material energy and the spiritual energy?
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Yes, difference, there are many differences.
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The same example, electricity.
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So many things are working, difference of energy.
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Even the dictaphone is working, electricity.
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By the same energy, electricity.
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Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, Ahaṁ
sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8].
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He’s the origin of everything.
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It is explained in Bhagavad-gītā that
one change body during the lifetime,
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but we see that a black man never
becomes white, or that there is a constant,
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there is something constant within
the body though it changes.
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What is it?
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How come this is a body
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but still we can recognize someone
from his youth to his old age.
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So when you further advance
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you’ll find there is no distinction
between black and white.
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Like a flower is coming out, there are many colors.
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But it is coming from the same source.
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As such there is no such difference, but to
make it beautiful there are so many colors.
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In the sunshine there are seven
colors, and from that seven colors,
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multicolors are coming out, origin the one color white,
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and then so many colors coming.
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Is that clear or not?
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Śrīla Prabhupāda,
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if Kṛṣṇa has created everything and
everything is submitted to Kṛṣṇa’s will,
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can we really say what is good or bad?
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There is no good or bad, it is mental concoction.
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But on the whole, in the material
world means everything bad. [splice]
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Material world means absence
of spiritual world, that’s all.
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You bring again spiritual world, it is good.
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Śrīla Prabhupāda… [splice] Hm? One says now,
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because we are not yet advanced enough
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to see Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Person directly,
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how should we meditate upon him.
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If you do not see Kṛṣṇa is in the temple? [laughter]
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We are worshiping something vague?
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You have to see Kṛṣṇa as Kṛṣṇa says.
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In the present stage… Just like Kṛṣṇa
says, Raso ’ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8].
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Kṛṣṇa says “I am the taste of the water.”
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You see Kṛṣṇa in the taste of the water.
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That will make you advanced.
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According to different stages… Kṛṣṇa
says “I am the taste of the water.”
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So when you drink water, why don’t you see Kṛṣṇa.
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“Oh, this taste is Kṛṣṇa.”
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Raso ’ham apsu kaunteya
prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8].
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When you see the sunshine, moonshine.
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Kṛṣṇa says “I am the sunshine, I am the moonshine.”
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So as soon as you see in the
morning, sunshine, you see Kṛṣṇa.
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As soon as you see at night, moonshine, you see Kṛṣṇa.
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praṇavaḥ sarva-vedeṣu [Bg. 7.8] Any Vedic
mantra is chanted,Oṁ tad viṣṇu par… [?]
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This oṁkāra is Kṛṣṇa.
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pauruṣaṁ nṛṣu [Bg. 7.8].
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And anything extrodinary done by somebody.
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That is Kṛṣṇa.
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So you have to see Kṛṣṇa in this way.
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Then gradually you’ll see.
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Kṛṣṇa will reveal Himself you’ll see.
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But there is no difference between realizing
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the taste of water is Kṛṣṇa and seeing Kṛṣṇa personally.
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There is no difference.
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So according to your present
position you see Kṛṣṇa in that way.
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Then you will gradually see.
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If you want to see immediately
Kṛṣṇa’s Rasalila, that is not possible.
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You have to see.
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As soon as there is heat, you
have to know that there is fire.
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As soon as there is smoke,
you have to know there is fire.
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Even though you do not see directly fire.
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But we can understand: Because the
smoke is there, there must be fire.
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So in this way, in the beginning,
you have to realize Kṛṣṇa.
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They’re stated in the seventh chapter.
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Find out.
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raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-
sūryayoḥ praṇavaḥ sarva-vedeṣu [Bg. 7.8]
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“O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water,
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the light of the sun and the moon,
the syllable om in the Vedic mantras;
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I am the sound in ether and ability in man.”
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So in this way see Kṛṣṇa.
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Where is the difficulty?
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Who asked this question?
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Where is the difficulty to see Kṛṣṇa?
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Is there any difficulty?
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See Kṛṣṇa.
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manmanā bhava mad-bhakto [Bg.
18.65] Kṛṣṇa says “Always think of Me,”
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so as soon as you drink water, immediately
taste and say, “Ah, here is Kṛṣṇa!”
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Manmanā bhava mad… [Bg. 18.65].
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Where is the difficulty?
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There is no difficulty.
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Everything is being… Huh?
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What is the difficulty. [splice]
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Now should we try to remember that Kṛṣṇa is God?
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What do you think of this? [laughter]
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[Indistinct] Śrīla Prabhupāda!
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Ṣaṭ-khaṇḍa rāmāyaṇa sītā karbaba.
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[?].
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There… One has read all the Rāmāyaṇa
and after reading, he is asking, “Sītā Devī:
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Whose father she is?” [laughter]
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“Whose father is Sītā Devī?”
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Your question is like that. [laughter]
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Because that's your… That's the
only [indistinct] Śrīla Prabhupāda.
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You told us that we should not forget that Kṛṣṇa is God.
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You have told us this many times.
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Yes. Then why you forgetting? [laughter] What is…?
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DEVOTEE (2): Prabhupāda, if a devotee falls
down from the path of devotional service,
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is he ever subject to the hells
described in the Bhāgavatam?
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A devotee never falls down. [laughter]
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All right.
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Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda!
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