0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,329 Bg 04-24 NM 1976-08-04 Krishna is there -- But You --etc 1 00:00:15,330 --> 00:00:20,529 ANNOUNCER: The following is a class on the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, 4th chapter, 2 00:00:20,530 --> 00:00:28,289 text number 24, given by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:28,290 --> 00:00:46,279 recorded on the 4th of August, 1976, in Paris, France. 4 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,069 PRADYUMNA: Translation: 5 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:52,769 “A person who is fully absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sure to attain 6 00:00:52,770 --> 00:00:57,929 the spiritual kingdom because of his full contribution to spiritual activities, 7 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:00,799 in which the consummation is absolute 8 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,719 and that which is offered is of the same spiritual nature.” [splice] 9 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:11,349 PRABHUPĀDA: So discuss any question. 10 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:14,899 YOGEŚVARA: Sometimes we speak of the material energy 11 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,289 as being different from the spiritual energy 12 00:01:17,290 --> 00:01:22,169 and other times we speak of all energies being ultimately spiritual, 13 00:01:22,170 --> 00:01:25,189 so what is the understanding? 14 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:32,760 Just like the electricity energy, is coming from the same source. 15 00:01:32,761 --> 00:01:37,720 But it is being utilized for different purposes. 16 00:01:37,721 --> 00:01:42,650 Sometimes it is helping to make cooler, 17 00:01:42,651 --> 00:01:49,210 and sometimes it is helping to make heater. 18 00:01:49,211 --> 00:01:53,350 But cooler and heater are two opposite things. 19 00:01:53,351 --> 00:01:56,950 But it is being done by the same energy. 20 00:01:56,951 --> 00:01:58,350 How it is being done? 21 00:01:58,351 --> 00:02:06,440 In the Vedānta-sūtra it is said Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB. 1.1.1]. 22 00:02:06,441 --> 00:02:13,390 Brahma or absolute truth is that from where everything is emanating. 23 00:02:13,391 --> 00:02:19,000 Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8]. 24 00:02:19,001 --> 00:02:21,880 “I am the source of everything.” 25 00:02:21,881 --> 00:02:24,320 Mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. 26 00:02:24,321 --> 00:02:27,430 “Everything is coming from Me.” 27 00:02:27,431 --> 00:02:36,570 So in another place, to make further clear, 28 00:02:36,571 --> 00:02:41,770 bhūmir āpo ’nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca… 29 00:02:41,771 --> 00:02:45,930 bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4]. 30 00:02:45,931 --> 00:02:52,810 “These eight energies, they are My energies.” 31 00:02:52,811 --> 00:02:55,500 Aṣṭadhā, eight. 32 00:02:55,501 --> 00:03:02,720 Earth, water, air fire, sky, mind, intelligence, ego. 33 00:03:02,721 --> 00:03:06,330 Bhinnā: Separated. 34 00:03:06,331 --> 00:03:13,170 Just like I am speaking in the dictaphone, but after some time, 35 00:03:13,171 --> 00:03:15,820 without me, it will speak exactly like this. 36 00:03:15,821 --> 00:03:19,310 So, I am speaking, but I’m not present there. 37 00:03:19,311 --> 00:03:27,210 Similarly, material world means it is being conducted by Kṛṣṇa, but still, Kṛṣṇa, 38 00:03:27,211 --> 00:03:29,870 personally, He’s not present there. 39 00:03:29,871 --> 00:03:33,600 In another place Kṛṣṇa says that, 40 00:03:33,601 --> 00:03:37,805 mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtinā 41 00:03:37,806 --> 00:03:43,590 mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ [Bg. 9.4]. 42 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:45,180 Find out this verse. 43 00:03:45,181 --> 00:03:54,750 Kṛṣṇa’s energies present, and Kṛṣṇa is seemingly absent, that is material. 44 00:03:54,751 --> 00:03:58,220 JAYATĪRTHA: Mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtinā 45 00:03:58,221 --> 00:04:01,230 mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ [Bg. 9.4]. 46 00:04:01,231 --> 00:04:05,121 ”By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. 47 00:04:05,122 --> 00:04:08,230 All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.” [splice] 48 00:04:08,231 --> 00:04:13,631 So, it is understood or if there is difficulty, you can question? 49 00:04:13,632 --> 00:04:16,681 FRENCH DEVOTEE: What does it mean when Kṛṣṇa says “I am not in them”? 50 00:04:16,682 --> 00:04:17,931 Huh? 51 00:04:17,932 --> 00:04:22,121 “I am not in them” because you cannot see there. 52 00:04:22,122 --> 00:04:25,301 Kṛṣṇa is there, but you cannot see Him. 53 00:04:25,302 --> 00:04:27,311 You are not advanced. 54 00:04:27,312 --> 00:04:31,111 Just like another example. 55 00:04:31,112 --> 00:04:36,131 Here is, the sunlight is here. 56 00:04:36,132 --> 00:04:37,601 Everyone experiences. 57 00:04:37,602 --> 00:04:41,201 But that does not mean sun is here. 58 00:04:41,202 --> 00:04:43,531 Is it clear? 59 00:04:43,532 --> 00:04:49,641 Sun is here means… Sunshine is here means sun is here. 60 00:04:49,642 --> 00:04:52,551 But still, because you are in the sunshine, 61 00:04:52,552 --> 00:04:56,181 you cannot say “Now I’ve captured the sun.” 62 00:04:56,182 --> 00:05:06,091 Sunlight is existing in the sun, but sun is not present in the sunshine. 63 00:05:06,092 --> 00:05:08,701 Without sun there is no sunshine. 64 00:05:08,702 --> 00:05:13,641 That does not mean the sunshine is sun. 65 00:05:13,642 --> 00:05:19,341 At same time, you can say the sunshine means sun. 66 00:05:19,342 --> 00:05:25,761 This is called acintya-bhedābheda: Simultaneously one and different. 67 00:05:25,762 --> 00:05:30,821 In the sunshine you feel the presence of the sun, 68 00:05:30,822 --> 00:05:38,851 but if you are able to enter in the sun globe, you can meet the sun god also. 69 00:05:38,852 --> 00:05:42,160 Actually, the sunshine means 70 00:05:42,161 --> 00:05:49,131 the rays of the body of the person living in the sun globe. 71 00:05:49,132 --> 00:05:52,251 That is explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā, 72 00:05:52,252 --> 00:05:58,061 Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi [Bs. 5.40]. 73 00:05:58,062 --> 00:06:05,131 On account of Kṛṣṇa’s… You have seen Kṛṣṇa’s effulgence is coming. 74 00:06:05,132 --> 00:06:09,971 That is the source of everything. 75 00:06:09,972 --> 00:06:17,111 That expansion of that effulgence is the brahmajyoti, and in that brahmajyoti, 76 00:06:17,112 --> 00:06:24,141 innumerable spiritual planets, material planets, are generated. 77 00:06:24,142 --> 00:06:29,192 And in each and every planet there are varieties of presentation. 78 00:06:29,193 --> 00:06:34,502 Actually, the origin is the Kṛṣṇa’s rays of the body, 79 00:06:34,503 --> 00:06:39,192 and the rays of the body’s origin is Kṛṣṇa. 80 00:06:39,193 --> 00:06:42,362 Any other questions? [splice] 81 00:06:42,363 --> 00:06:46,412 DEVOTEE: We say that Kṛṣṇa is present within the spiritual, 82 00:06:46,413 --> 00:06:48,192 within the heart of the living entity. 83 00:06:48,193 --> 00:06:50,122 Kṛṣṇa is present everywhere. 84 00:06:50,123 --> 00:06:52,952 As a person or as an energy? 85 00:06:52,953 --> 00:06:54,912 In His energy. 86 00:06:54,913 --> 00:06:56,822 Also person. 87 00:06:56,823 --> 00:07:03,282 person we cannot see with the present eyes, but energy we can feel. 88 00:07:03,283 --> 00:07:06,412 Clear this point more and more. 89 00:07:06,413 --> 00:07:11,202 So when fully realized, then this verse, 90 00:07:11,203 --> 00:07:16,382 that everything is brahma, Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14]. 91 00:07:16,383 --> 00:07:21,982 The advanced devotee, he does not see anything except Kṛṣṇa. 92 00:07:21,983 --> 00:07:23,222 Śrīla Prabhupāda, 93 00:07:23,223 --> 00:07:27,622 is there is actual difference between the material energy and the spiritual energy? 94 00:07:27,623 --> 00:07:30,732 Yes, difference, there are many differences. 95 00:07:30,733 --> 00:07:34,222 The same example, electricity. 96 00:07:34,223 --> 00:07:39,892 So many things are working, difference of energy. 97 00:07:39,893 --> 00:07:44,272 Even the dictaphone is working, electricity. 98 00:07:44,273 --> 00:07:47,982 By the same energy, electricity. 99 00:07:47,983 --> 00:07:51,142 Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8]. 100 00:07:51,143 --> 00:07:52,573 He’s the origin of everything. 101 00:07:52,574 --> 00:07:56,813 It is explained in Bhagavad-gītā that one change body during the lifetime, 102 00:07:56,814 --> 00:08:01,133 but we see that a black man never becomes white, or that there is a constant, 103 00:08:01,134 --> 00:08:04,423 there is something constant within the body though it changes. 104 00:08:04,424 --> 00:08:05,913 What is it? 105 00:08:05,914 --> 00:08:08,103 How come this is a body 106 00:08:08,104 --> 00:08:12,923 but still we can recognize someone from his youth to his old age. 107 00:08:12,924 --> 00:08:16,223 So when you further advance 108 00:08:16,224 --> 00:08:20,823 you’ll find there is no distinction between black and white. 109 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:26,113 Like a flower is coming out, there are many colors. 110 00:08:26,114 --> 00:08:29,623 But it is coming from the same source. 111 00:08:29,624 --> 00:08:36,623 As such there is no such difference, but to make it beautiful there are so many colors. 112 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:42,503 In the sunshine there are seven colors, and from that seven colors, 113 00:08:42,504 --> 00:08:49,803 multicolors are coming out, origin the one color white, 114 00:08:49,804 --> 00:08:52,873 and then so many colors coming. 115 00:08:52,874 --> 00:08:56,053 Is that clear or not? 116 00:08:56,054 --> 00:08:57,663 Śrīla Prabhupāda, 117 00:08:57,664 --> 00:09:03,013 if Kṛṣṇa has created everything and everything is submitted to Kṛṣṇa’s will, 118 00:09:03,014 --> 00:09:06,613 can we really say what is good or bad? 119 00:09:06,614 --> 00:09:10,303 There is no good or bad, it is mental concoction. 120 00:09:10,304 --> 00:09:17,473 But on the whole, in the material world means everything bad. [splice] 121 00:09:17,474 --> 00:09:22,303 Material world means absence of spiritual world, that’s all. 122 00:09:22,304 --> 00:09:23,953 You bring again spiritual world, it is good. 123 00:09:23,954 --> 00:09:28,824 Śrīla Prabhupāda… [splice] Hm? One says now, 124 00:09:28,825 --> 00:09:30,434 because we are not yet advanced enough 125 00:09:30,435 --> 00:09:33,104 to see Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Person directly, 126 00:09:33,105 --> 00:09:34,654 how should we meditate upon him. 127 00:09:34,655 --> 00:09:42,436 If you do not see Kṛṣṇa is in the temple? [laughter] 128 00:09:42,437 --> 00:09:47,524 We are worshiping something vague? 129 00:09:47,525 --> 00:09:51,374 You have to see Kṛṣṇa as Kṛṣṇa says. 130 00:09:51,375 --> 00:10:00,104 In the present stage… Just like Kṛṣṇa says, Raso ’ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8]. 131 00:10:00,105 --> 00:10:04,124 Kṛṣṇa says “I am the taste of the water.” 132 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:07,634 You see Kṛṣṇa in the taste of the water. 133 00:10:07,635 --> 00:10:09,754 That will make you advanced. 134 00:10:09,755 --> 00:10:14,864 According to different stages… Kṛṣṇa says “I am the taste of the water.” 135 00:10:14,865 --> 00:10:18,744 So when you drink water, why don’t you see Kṛṣṇa. 136 00:10:18,745 --> 00:10:21,924 “Oh, this taste is Kṛṣṇa.” 137 00:10:21,925 --> 00:10:27,034 Raso ’ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8]. 138 00:10:27,035 --> 00:10:31,804 When you see the sunshine, moonshine. 139 00:10:31,805 --> 00:10:34,844 Kṛṣṇa says “I am the sunshine, I am the moonshine.” 140 00:10:34,845 --> 00:10:40,084 So as soon as you see in the morning, sunshine, you see Kṛṣṇa. 141 00:10:40,085 --> 00:10:44,804 As soon as you see at night, moonshine, you see Kṛṣṇa. 142 00:10:44,805 --> 00:10:54,378 praṇavaḥ sarva-vedeṣu [Bg. 7.8] Any Vedic mantra is chanted,Oṁ tad viṣṇu par… [?] 143 00:10:54,379 --> 00:10:57,194 This oṁkāra is Kṛṣṇa. 144 00:10:57,195 --> 00:10:59,414 pauruṣaṁ nṛṣu [Bg. 7.8]. 145 00:10:59,415 --> 00:11:03,164 And anything extrodinary done by somebody. 146 00:11:03,165 --> 00:11:04,764 That is Kṛṣṇa. 147 00:11:04,765 --> 00:11:08,264 So you have to see Kṛṣṇa in this way. 148 00:11:08,265 --> 00:11:10,534 Then gradually you’ll see. 149 00:11:10,535 --> 00:11:13,245 Kṛṣṇa will reveal Himself you’ll see. 150 00:11:13,246 --> 00:11:17,385 But there is no difference between realizing 151 00:11:17,386 --> 00:11:21,215 the taste of water is Kṛṣṇa and seeing Kṛṣṇa personally. 152 00:11:21,216 --> 00:11:23,165 There is no difference. 153 00:11:23,166 --> 00:11:27,575 So according to your present position you see Kṛṣṇa in that way. 154 00:11:27,576 --> 00:11:30,395 Then you will gradually see. 155 00:11:30,396 --> 00:11:35,275 If you want to see immediately Kṛṣṇa’s Rasalila, that is not possible. 156 00:11:35,276 --> 00:11:37,375 You have to see. 157 00:11:37,376 --> 00:11:42,775 As soon as there is heat, you have to know that there is fire. 158 00:11:42,776 --> 00:11:46,935 As soon as there is smoke, you have to know there is fire. 159 00:11:46,936 --> 00:11:50,895 Even though you do not see directly fire. 160 00:11:50,896 --> 00:11:56,695 But we can understand: Because the smoke is there, there must be fire. 161 00:11:56,696 --> 00:12:00,895 So in this way, in the beginning, you have to realize Kṛṣṇa. 162 00:12:00,896 --> 00:12:04,615 They’re stated in the seventh chapter. 163 00:12:04,616 --> 00:12:06,085 Find out. 164 00:12:06,086 --> 00:12:16,225 raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi- sūryayoḥ praṇavaḥ sarva-vedeṣu [Bg. 7.8] 165 00:12:16,226 --> 00:12:19,955 “O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, 166 00:12:19,956 --> 00:12:24,085 the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; 167 00:12:24,086 --> 00:12:27,955 I am the sound in ether and ability in man.” 168 00:12:27,956 --> 00:12:30,525 So in this way see Kṛṣṇa. 169 00:12:30,526 --> 00:12:34,405 Where is the difficulty? 170 00:12:34,406 --> 00:12:36,455 Who asked this question? 171 00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:39,255 Where is the difficulty to see Kṛṣṇa? 172 00:12:39,256 --> 00:12:41,255 Is there any difficulty? 173 00:12:41,256 --> 00:12:42,865 See Kṛṣṇa. 174 00:12:42,866 --> 00:12:48,045 manmanā bhava mad-bhakto [Bg. 18.65] Kṛṣṇa says “Always think of Me,” 175 00:12:48,046 --> 00:12:54,445 so as soon as you drink water, immediately taste and say, “Ah, here is Kṛṣṇa!” 176 00:12:54,446 --> 00:12:56,635 Manmanā bhava mad… [Bg. 18.65]. 177 00:12:56,636 --> 00:12:58,175 Where is the difficulty? 178 00:12:58,176 --> 00:13:00,786 There is no difficulty. 179 00:13:00,787 --> 00:13:03,406 Everything is being… Huh? 180 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:06,126 What is the difficulty. [splice] 181 00:13:06,127 --> 00:13:11,266 Now should we try to remember that Kṛṣṇa is God? 182 00:13:11,267 --> 00:13:14,786 What do you think of this? [laughter] 183 00:13:14,787 --> 00:13:16,176 [Indistinct] Śrīla Prabhupāda! 184 00:13:16,177 --> 00:13:18,866 Ṣaṭ-khaṇḍa rāmāyaṇa sītā karbaba. 185 00:13:18,867 --> 00:13:18,867 [?]. 186 00:13:18,868 --> 00:13:25,897 There… One has read all the Rāmāyaṇa and after reading, he is asking, “Sītā Devī: 187 00:13:25,898 --> 00:13:31,572 Whose father she is?” [laughter] 188 00:13:31,573 --> 00:13:34,837 “Whose father is Sītā Devī?” 189 00:13:34,838 --> 00:13:37,217 Your question is like that. [laughter] 190 00:13:37,218 --> 00:13:40,347 Because that's your… That's the only [indistinct] Śrīla Prabhupāda. 191 00:13:40,348 --> 00:13:43,547 You told us that we should not forget that Kṛṣṇa is God. 192 00:13:43,548 --> 00:13:46,057 You have told us this many times. 193 00:13:46,058 --> 00:13:56,457 Yes. Then why you forgetting? [laughter] What is…? 194 00:13:56,458 --> 00:14:01,999 DEVOTEE (2): Prabhupāda, if a devotee falls down from the path of devotional service, 195 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,963 is he ever subject to the hells described in the Bhāgavatam? 196 00:14:07,964 --> 00:14:16,234 A devotee never falls down. [laughter] 197 00:14:16,235 --> 00:14:17,256 All right. 198 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:24,289 Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! 199 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:24,291 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com