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Cc M 20-102 WDC 1976-07-07 Nobody Is Fit--Nobody Survives
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a class
on the Caitanya-caritāmṛta,
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Madhya-līlā volume 8,
chapter 20, text 102,
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given by His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on July 7th,
1976, in Washington D.C.
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PRADYUMNA:
“Translation: Who am I?
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Why do the threefold miseries
always give me trouble?
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If I do not know this,
how can I be benefited?”
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PRABHUPĀDA: So,
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japi, jāre tāpa-traya
‘ke āmi’ ‘kene āmāya jāre tāpa-traya’
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ihā nāhi jāni ‘kemane hita haya’
[Cc. Madhya 20.102]
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ke āmi “Who am I?”
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Now, suppose I am sitting
here, you are all sitting here.
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Some fly comes and disturbs.
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We have got daily experience.
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And he’ll disturb, I want to get
him out, and he comes again,
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stops on his mouth and
creates some disturbance.
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A fly, a small fly,
not a very big man.
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So, but after all, this is disturbance.
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I don’t like it, but the fly
will come and disturb me.
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So there is no question
that “Why this fly is coming
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and giving me disturbance sir?
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I do not want it.”
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This is sane man’s inquiry.
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But there is no inquiry.
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I do not want… There are
three kinds, jāre tāpa-traya,
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three kinds of miserable condition.
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One is called ādhyātmika, another is called
ādhidaivika, another is called ādhibhautika.
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Ādhyātmika means pertaining
to the body and mind.
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All of a sudden my
mind is not in order.
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Suppose a friend has
come to talk with me,
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so I refuse to talk,
I am not in mood.
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We have got this experience.
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“I cannot talk with you,
mind is not in order.”
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This is happening
daily, every moment.
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This is called ādhyātmika.
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I did not want it, but it has come.
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All of a sudden I am
feeling some headache.
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I did not want it, but it came.
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This is our practical experience.
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So this kind of troubles I
don’t want; there are always,
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either ādhyātmika,
ādhibhautika, ādhidaivika,
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that you are suffering.
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In this material world means,
the suffering is going on.
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We are thinking we are very
safe, running in the car.
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At any moment there
may be accident.
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At any moment.
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I do not want it, my life may go.
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So this is sane man’s life,
that “So many things,
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I do not want them, but
they are enforced upon me,
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and I do not know
how to get out of it.”
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The fly is coming, disturbing; I can
simply make some spray to kill it,
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as you do generally, but
that killing is another risk.
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But those who do
not know, they kill it.
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Because you have no right to kill.
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Suppose a man is disturbing you, so
if you kill, you become a murderer,
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and you’ll be taken into the court and
you’ll be punished, and if you say,
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“This man was disturbing me; therefore
I have killed him,” that is no excuse.
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You have killed this
man; you must suffer.
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This is ordinarily we find in
our general living condition.
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So in the state of the Supreme Lord, you
cannot kill even a mosquito or even a fly.
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You’ll be punished.
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Because God says that,
“Everyone is My child.”
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Just the same example.
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Suppose I have got
so many brothers.
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One brother is a fool, so he
creates me some disturbances.
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I kill him.
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So will the father be happy?
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If you say,
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“Father, your this child was
disturbing me, I have killed him,”
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the father will be sorry,
“Why you have killed him?”
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This is natural.
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Because one child of the father is a fool,
the other intelligent child cannot kill him.
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Then the father will
be angry or sorry.
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So we do not know.
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We are doing irresponsibly.
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Therefore Sanātana Gosvāmī
has gone to his spiritual master,
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he’s asking this… This is also
common, also very grave questions,
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that “In this material world, I
do not want so many things,
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but they are enforced
upon me, why?”
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This is human life, to inquire, why.
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Not to… The modern theory
is struggle for existence.
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There are troubles, and you try to save
yourself, and survival of the fittest.
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But nobody is fit, nobody survives.
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Nobody wants death, but
we are talking of survival.
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Who can escape death?
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There is no possibility.
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So there are so many slogans,
but actually there is no remedy.
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There is remedy, but
we do not know.
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That is the defect of modern
civilization, there is remedy.
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Otherwise why we are
talking this śāstra?
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Why Sanātana Gosvāmī
is putting this question?
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Just to get the solution
from the spiritual master.
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Otherwise there was no need
of putting these questions,
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that “What is my position?
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Why these threefold miseries
always give me trouble?
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Why I die?
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Why I become old?
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Why I become diseased?
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Why I have to take birth?”
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They are simply struggle for
existence, that here is a child,
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and the child-bearing
is very troublesome,
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and if I give birth to a
child… The mother is killing.
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This is going on.
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But that means she is implicating
herself again in another way of life.
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This is going on.
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So this question, at the present
moment, nobody asks this question.
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But this is very intelligent question.
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We are completely
under the laws of nature.
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prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni
guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ
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ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham…
[Bg. 3.27]
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We are not independent, just
like in the state, in your country,
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although you have observed
the independence ceremony,
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but you are not independent.
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If you go…
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“Keep to the right,” you go to the left,
immediately your independence finished.
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You’ll be punished.
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So this so-called
independence is conditional.
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It is not absolute independence.
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If you want absolute independence,
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then you have to go back
home, back to Godhead.
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This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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We are hankering
after independence,
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but so long we remain
in this material world,
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there is no question
of independence.
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So, intelligent man, when he
inquires about, when he thinks over,
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that “I want independence from so
many things, but I am not independent.
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I am forced to accept, then
where is my independence?”
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When this question arises,
then he is human being.
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Otherwise he’s as good
as the cats and dogs.
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Because the cats and
dogs, they cannot inquire.
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Just like an animal is being sent to
the slaughterhouse, he cannot say,
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“Why I am… What I have done?
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Why you are sending me
to the slaughterhouse?”
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He cannot protest, even he
protests, nobody hears him.
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Nobody hears.
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He protests by crying, by screaming,
but we have made our own theories:
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“This crying is nothing, it
has no soul, we can kill.”
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So in this way the whole
world is going on,
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under a gross
atmosphere of ignorance.
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There are so many
things to be discussed.
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Just like we do not know,
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what is the problems of life,
how life comes into existence.
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We see a child is born, but we do
not know wherefrom the life came.
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The lump of matter of
the child is not the child.
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If the child takes birth dead,
without life, it has no value;
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it is a lump of matter,
you throw it immediately.
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But if it has a life, then
we take care of it,
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we raise it, give him food, give
him breast milk, and so much care.
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The life is so important.
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But nobody cares to know what
is this life, where it begins,
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wherefrom it comes, what
is the destiny, no question.
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Similarly, if we… We are seeing
every night so many planets.
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We are making tiny attempt,
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to go to moon planet
or some other planet,
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but there, we see there are so many
millions and trillions of planet.
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What about their situation?
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We have made our
calculation from here,
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that they are simply
decoration; there is no life.
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No, there is life.
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There is life, but
we do not know it.
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So, yesterday our scientist, Svarūpa
Dāmodara, Dr. Svarūpa Dāmodara,
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was speaking, that in the
history of human society,
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actually these two
things are ignorance:
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what is the beginning of life, and
what are these planetary systems.
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So we are after knowledge, but so
many things are unknown to us.
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Therefore Sanātana Gosvāmī is
teaching us by his practical behavior,
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to approach the spiritual master,
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and putting his case that “I
am suffering in this way.”
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He was minister, there was
no question of suffering.
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He was very well situated.
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That he has already explained, that
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grāmya-vyavahāre paṇḍita, satya kari māni
[Cc. Madhya 20.100]
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“There are so many
questions I cannot answer.
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There is no solution.
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Still, people say that I am very
learned man —I accept it foolishly.”
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Nobody is learned man,
unless he goes to the guru.
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tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet
[MU 1.2.12]
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Therefore Vedic injunction is
that if you want to be learned,
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then go to guru, bona fide
guru, not the so-called guru.
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Tad viddhi praṇipātena
paripraśnena sevayā
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upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ
jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ
[Bg. 4.34]
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Guru means one who has seen
the Absolute Truth, that is guru.
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Tattva-darśinaḥ, tattva
means the Absolute Truth,
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and darśinaḥ, one who has seen.
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So this movement, our Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement,
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is for this purpose, to
see the Absolute Truth,
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to understand the Absolute Truth,
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to know the problems of life
and how to make a solution.
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These things are
our subject matter.
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Our subject matter is
not material things,
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that somehow or other, you get
a car and a good apartment,
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and a good wife, then all
your problems solved.
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No.
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That is not solution of problems.
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The real problem is
how to stop your death.
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That is the real problem.
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But because it is very difficult
subject matter, nobody touches it.
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“Oh, death—we shall
peacefully die.”
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But nobody peacefully dies.
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If I take a dagger and I
say, “Now die peacefully,”
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the whole peaceful condition
finished immediately.
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He will cry.
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So these are nonsense, if somebody
says, “I will die peacefully.”
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Nobody dies peacefully,
that is not possible.
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Therefore death is a problem.
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Birth is also a problem.
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Nobody is peaceful while
within the womb of the mother.
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It is packed-up, airtight condition, and
nowadays there is risk of being killed also.
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So there is no question of
peacefulness, birth and death.
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And then old age.
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Just like I am old man, so
many troubles I have got.
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So old age, and disease,
everyone has got experience,
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even headache is sufficient
to give you trouble.
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The real problem is this: birth,
death, old age and disease.
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That is the statement
given by Kṛṣṇa, that
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janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi
duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam
[Bg. 13.9]
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If you are intelligent, you should,
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take up these four problems
of life, as very dangerous.
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So they, they have no knowledge;
therefore they avoid these questions.
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But we take up these
questions very seriously.
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That is the difference between,
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other movement and Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement.
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Our movement is how
to solve these problems.
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The śāstra says that if you
cannot solve these problems,
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for your children… That is
real contraceptive method.
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pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt
na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum
[SB 5.5.18]
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If you cannot protect your child from the
imminent death, and repetition of birth,
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then don’t become a father,
don’t become a mother.
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This is śāstra’s injunction.
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If you are actually
father and mother,
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you should give him such educational
knowledge that this is the last birth.
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Next he’ll not have any such body,
subjected to birth and death.
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That is possible.
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That the Bhagavad-gītā says:
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tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
naiti mām eti kaunteya
[Bg. 4.9]
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If you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if
you simply try to understand Kṛṣṇa,
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then the whole problem solved.
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What is the problem solved?
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Tyaktvā deham, this
body we have to give up.
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Because it is material body,
you must have to give up.
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But those who are Kṛṣṇa
consciousness, in the…,
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after giving up this body,
no more material body.
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tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti
[Bg. 4.9]
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Punar janma means next birth.
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If you accept a material body, then
there is question of next birth.
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But if you remain in your spiritual
body, there is no question of next birth.
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That is spiritual
salvation or liberation.
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If you remain in your spiritual body, then
you go back to home, back to Godhead.
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Kṛṣṇa is complete spiritual body.
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The kingdom of God is also spiritual, and
you go there, and you live there eternally.
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Tyaktvā deham.
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yad gatvā na nivartante
tad dhāmaṁ paramaṁ mama
[Bg. 15.6]
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Where going you do not come
back again to this material world.
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That is the supreme abode of the
Supreme Personality of Godhead.
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So this benediction is offered
by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu,
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who has very kindly
come here, Nitāi-Gaura.
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So you take advantage
of His mercy.
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You are very fortunate
that Nitāi-Gaura is here.
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If you simply chant Nitāi-Gaura and
dance, then you’ll become happy.
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There is no difficulty.
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There is no difficulty.
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You are chanting
“Jaya Śacīnandana.”
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This simple chanting, “Jaya
Śacīnandana,” “Hare Kṛṣṇa,”
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this chanting and dancing,
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yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanair-prayaiḥ
yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ
[SB 11.5.32]
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This is not I am manufacturing.
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It is the injunction of the śāstra.
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In this age, simply by
chanting and dancing,
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yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanair prayaiḥ
[SB 11.5.32]
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you get complete spiritual service.
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So I am very glad you are taking
care of Nitāi-Gaura so nicely,
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They are so nicely dressed.
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So continue these activities,
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and even if you cannot do
anything, simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,
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and dance and
“Jaya Śacīnandana.”
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That will, that will
make your life perfect.
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Thank you very much.
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