0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,471 Fest BOM 1974-04-01 Lord Rama Appearance--Maha-mantra --etc 1 00:00:12,572 --> 00:00:14,211 ANNOUNCER: The following is a lecture 2 00:00:14,212 --> 00:00:19,481 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:19,482 --> 00:01:03,501 recorded on the 1st of April, 1974, in Bombay, India. 4 00:01:03,502 --> 00:01:05,231 PRABHUPĀDA: kalā DEVOTEES: kalā 5 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:06,251 niyamena 6 00:01:06,252 --> 00:01:07,521 niyamena 7 00:01:07,522 --> 00:01:08,251 tiṣṭhan 8 00:01:08,252 --> 00:01:09,531 tiṣṭhan 9 00:01:09,532 --> 00:01:10,211 nānā 10 00:01:10,212 --> 00:01:11,501 nānā 11 00:01:11,502 --> 00:01:12,452 avatāram 12 00:01:12,453 --> 00:01:13,822 avatāram 13 00:01:13,823 --> 00:01:14,552 akarot 14 00:01:14,553 --> 00:01:15,582 akarot 15 00:01:15,583 --> 00:01:16,612 bhuvaneṣu 16 00:01:16,613 --> 00:01:17,792 bhuvaneṣu 17 00:01:17,793 --> 00:01:18,512 kintu 18 00:01:18,513 --> 00:01:19,802 kintu 19 00:01:19,803 --> 00:01:20,542 kṛṣṇaḥ 20 00:01:20,543 --> 00:01:21,512 kṛṣṇaḥ 21 00:01:21,513 --> 00:01:22,342 svayam 22 00:01:22,343 --> 00:01:23,222 svayam 23 00:01:23,223 --> 00:01:24,152 samabhavat 24 00:01:24,153 --> 00:01:25,572 samabhavat 25 00:01:25,573 --> 00:01:26,462 paramaḥ 26 00:01:26,463 --> 00:01:27,532 paramaḥ 27 00:01:27,533 --> 00:01:28,232 pumān 28 00:01:28,233 --> 00:01:29,173 pumān 29 00:01:29,174 --> 00:01:29,833 yaḥ 30 00:01:29,834 --> 00:01:30,793 yaḥ 31 00:01:30,794 --> 00:01:31,623 govindam 32 00:01:31,624 --> 00:01:33,213 govindam 33 00:01:33,214 --> 00:01:33,953 ādi 34 00:01:33,954 --> 00:01:35,113 ādi 35 00:01:35,114 --> 00:01:35,893 puruṣam 36 00:01:35,894 --> 00:01:36,803 puruṣam 37 00:01:36,804 --> 00:01:37,553 tam aham 38 00:01:37,554 --> 00:01:38,623 tam aham 39 00:01:38,624 --> 00:01:39,603 bhajāmi 40 00:01:39,604 --> 00:01:41,433 bhajāmi [Bs. 5.39] 41 00:01:41,434 --> 00:01:42,463 ramante 42 00:01:42,464 --> 00:01:44,003 ramante 43 00:01:44,004 --> 00:01:44,833 yoginaḥ 44 00:01:44,834 --> 00:01:46,303 yoginaḥ 45 00:01:46,304 --> 00:01:47,134 anante 46 00:01:47,135 --> 00:01:48,414 anante 47 00:01:48,415 --> 00:01:49,284 satya 48 00:01:49,285 --> 00:01:50,564 satya 49 00:01:50,565 --> 00:01:51,374 ānande 50 00:01:51,375 --> 00:01:52,534 ānande 51 00:01:52,535 --> 00:01:53,684 cit-ātmani 52 00:01:53,685 --> 00:01:55,144 cit-ātmani 53 00:01:55,145 --> 00:01:55,844 iti 54 00:01:55,845 --> 00:01:56,884 iti 55 00:01:56,885 --> 00:01:57,474 rāma 56 00:01:57,475 --> 00:01:58,634 rāma 57 00:01:58,635 --> 00:01:59,774 padena 58 00:01:59,775 --> 00:02:00,724 padena 59 00:02:00,725 --> 00:02:01,634 asau 60 00:02:01,635 --> 00:02:02,594 asau 61 00:02:02,595 --> 00:02:03,954 param brahma 62 00:02:03,955 --> 00:02:05,614 param brahma 63 00:02:05,615 --> 00:02:06,505 iti 64 00:02:06,506 --> 00:02:06,825 iti 65 00:02:06,826 --> 00:02:07,755 abhidhīyate 66 00:02:07,756 --> 00:02:09,585 abhidhīyate [Cc. Madhya 9.29] 67 00:02:09,586 --> 00:02:10,745 ramante 68 00:02:10,746 --> 00:02:12,135 ramante 69 00:02:12,136 --> 00:02:12,865 yoginaḥ 70 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:14,135 yoginaḥ 71 00:02:14,136 --> 00:02:15,145 anante 72 00:02:15,146 --> 00:02:16,145 anante 73 00:02:16,146 --> 00:02:17,325 satya 74 00:02:17,326 --> 00:02:18,195 satya 75 00:02:18,196 --> 00:02:19,005 ānande 76 00:02:19,006 --> 00:02:19,925 ānande 77 00:02:19,926 --> 00:02:21,135 cit-ātmani 78 00:02:21,136 --> 00:02:22,475 cit-ātmani 79 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:23,405 iti 80 00:02:23,406 --> 00:02:24,136 iti 81 00:02:24,137 --> 00:02:25,036 rāma 82 00:02:25,037 --> 00:02:26,276 rāma 83 00:02:26,277 --> 00:02:27,066 padena 84 00:02:27,067 --> 00:02:28,126 padena 85 00:02:28,127 --> 00:02:28,956 asau 86 00:02:28,957 --> 00:02:29,916 asau 87 00:02:29,917 --> 00:02:31,136 param brahma 88 00:02:31,137 --> 00:02:32,556 param brahma 89 00:02:32,557 --> 00:02:33,246 iti 90 00:02:33,247 --> 00:02:34,016 iti 91 00:02:34,017 --> 00:02:35,136 abhidhīyate 92 00:02:35,137 --> 00:02:37,336 abhidhīyate [Cc. Madhya 9.29] [splice] 93 00:02:37,337 --> 00:02:40,626 Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā- niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. 94 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:46,326 Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Balarāma, 95 00:02:46,327 --> 00:02:53,266 Buddha—there are innumerable incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, 96 00:02:53,267 --> 00:02:59,046 rāmādi, of whom Lord Rāmacandra is the chief. 97 00:02:59,047 --> 00:03:03,916 So, Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā- niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. 98 00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:11,766 Kṛṣṇa simultaneously existing with His innumerable incarnation like Rāma, 99 00:03:11,767 --> 00:03:14,977 Nṛsiṁha, Varāha, ity ādi. 100 00:03:14,978 --> 00:03:22,007 Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan nānāvatāram akarot [Bs. 5.39]. 101 00:03:22,008 --> 00:03:31,347 So Kṛṣṇa accepted so many innumerable incarnations, but the Supreme Personality, 102 00:03:31,348 --> 00:03:35,057 parama-puruṣa, is Kṛṣṇa. 103 00:03:35,058 --> 00:03:38,257 Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā- niyamena tiṣṭhan 104 00:03:38,258 --> 00:03:41,687 nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu 105 00:03:41,688 --> 00:03:46,437 kṛṣṇaḥ svayam kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat [Bs. 5.39]. 106 00:03:46,438 --> 00:03:55,827 In spite of His coming in different multi- incarnations, He personally also descends. 107 00:03:55,828 --> 00:04:00,517 kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo [Bs. 5.39] 108 00:04:00,518 --> 00:04:02,377 The Supreme Personality. 109 00:04:02,378 --> 00:04:11,757 govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi This is the prayer offered by Lord Brahmā. 110 00:04:11,758 --> 00:04:19,757 Then again, in the Sātvata Purāṇa the explanation of Rāma is given. 111 00:04:19,758 --> 00:04:25,237 Rāma, the word comes from the ram-dhātu, ramante. 112 00:04:25,238 --> 00:04:30,117 Ramante means fulfilling desires. 113 00:04:30,118 --> 00:04:32,837 So ramante yogino ’nante. 114 00:04:32,838 --> 00:04:35,907 Those who are yogis…. 115 00:04:35,908 --> 00:04:39,787 Karmī, jñānī and yogi. 116 00:04:39,788 --> 00:04:47,878 And amongst the yogis, the bhakti-yogī is the topmost. 117 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:52,948 yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntar-ātmanā 118 00:04:52,949 --> 00:04:57,700 śraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ sa me yuktatamo mataḥ [Bg. 6.47] 119 00:04:57,701 --> 00:05:05,410 So yogis, they are not interested with material enjoyment 120 00:05:05,411 --> 00:05:10,480 because material enjoyment is temporary. 121 00:05:10,481 --> 00:05:13,990 So ramante yogino ’nante. 122 00:05:13,991 --> 00:05:18,910 Everyone is seeking after happiness, blissful life. 123 00:05:18,911 --> 00:05:23,490 But those who are less intelligent, mūḍha, 124 00:05:23,491 --> 00:05:31,130 they are satisfied with temporary so- called happiness of material existence. 125 00:05:31,131 --> 00:05:33,700 But yogis are not like that. 126 00:05:33,701 --> 00:05:39,840 Yogis are interested in the permanent happiness. 127 00:05:39,841 --> 00:05:46,170 Ramante yogino ’nante, not ante. 128 00:05:46,171 --> 00:05:50,160 Antavanta ime dehāḥ. 129 00:05:50,161 --> 00:05:52,460 Anta means this body. 130 00:05:52,461 --> 00:05:59,170 Antavanta ime dehā nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ [Bg. 2.18]. 131 00:05:59,171 --> 00:06:06,310 “But within the body, the proprietor of the body is nitya. 132 00:06:06,311 --> 00:06:09,440 So nityo nityānām. 133 00:06:09,441 --> 00:06:17,201 If I am nitya, eternal, then I should be interested in eternal happiness. 134 00:06:17,202 --> 00:06:25,821 But the eternal happiness is not possible to enjoy by this body. 135 00:06:25,822 --> 00:06:31,311 Therefore it is said, ramante yoginaḥ anante. 136 00:06:31,312 --> 00:06:38,281 So ananta-ramaṇa, that is the description of Rāma. 137 00:06:38,282 --> 00:06:45,881 Rāma means ananta- ānanda, unlimited happiness. 138 00:06:45,882 --> 00:06:51,461 Iti rāma-padenāsau paraṁ brahmābhidhīyate [Cc. Madhya 9.29]. 139 00:06:51,462 --> 00:06:57,481 Rāma is paraṁ brahma, and Kṛṣṇa is also paraṁ brahma. 140 00:06:57,482 --> 00:07:05,271 Kṛṣṇa is recognized by Arjuna after understanding Bhagavad-gītā: 141 00:07:05,272 --> 00:07:10,341 Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12]. 142 00:07:10,342 --> 00:07:14,361 So there is no different between Rāma and Kṛṣṇa. 143 00:07:14,362 --> 00:07:20,591 Kṛṣṇa is also paraṁ brahma and Rāma is also… [break] …of Lord Rāmacandra. 144 00:07:20,592 --> 00:07:32,511 So we Vaiṣṇava, we have equal faith and obeisances to all viṣṇu-mūrtis, 145 00:07:32,512 --> 00:07:40,791 rāmādi-mūrtiṣu, Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha, Nārāyaṇa, Mahāviṣṇu…. 146 00:07:40,792 --> 00:07:46,251 There are Advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33]. 147 00:07:46,252 --> 00:07:54,541 But we Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava or Madhva-Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava, 148 00:07:54,542 --> 00:08:00,281 we are worshiper of Lord Kṛṣṇa mūrti. 149 00:08:00,282 --> 00:08:05,631 Lord Rāmacandra’s mūrti and Kṛṣṇa’s mūrti, there is no difference. 150 00:08:05,632 --> 00:08:14,661 But as I have already explained, Kṛṣṇa paraṁ brahma full-fledged, 151 00:08:14,662 --> 00:08:18,561 and Lord Rāmacandra is also paraṁ brahma, 152 00:08:18,562 --> 00:08:23,312 but He did not exhibit His full-fledged opulence. 153 00:08:23,313 --> 00:08:27,312 These are very confidential things, but still, 154 00:08:27,313 --> 00:08:30,852 on the birthday of Lord Rāmacandra 155 00:08:30,853 --> 00:08:35,222 we offer our respectful obeisances at His lotus feet 156 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:41,502 so that He may be merciful upon us to bestow His bhakti, 157 00:08:41,503 --> 00:08:44,272 devotional service. 158 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:46,272 We are all fallen souls. 159 00:08:46,273 --> 00:08:53,622 We have no power to approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 160 00:08:53,623 --> 00:08:57,862 But as it is directed by the śāstra, 161 00:08:57,863 --> 00:09:02,632 Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. 162 00:09:02,633 --> 00:09:09,812 So although there is no difference between Śrī Rāma and Śrī Kṛṣṇa, 163 00:09:09,813 --> 00:09:17,122 but one devotee is attracted by one feature of the Lord, 164 00:09:17,123 --> 00:09:21,712 and the other is attracted by other feature. 165 00:09:21,713 --> 00:09:26,292 Sometimes it so happened that Kṛṣṇa disappeared 166 00:09:26,293 --> 00:09:36,162 from the rāsa dance and the gopīs were very much eager to find out Kṛṣṇa again. 167 00:09:36,163 --> 00:09:44,172 So when they were too much eager to see Kṛṣṇa, where He is, 168 00:09:44,173 --> 00:09:51,072 Kṛṣṇa appeared as Nārāyaṇa, four-handed Nārāyaṇa. 169 00:09:51,073 --> 00:10:00,683 The gopīs saw nārāyaṇa-mūrti but did not become attracted by Him. 170 00:10:00,684 --> 00:10:05,423 All the gopīs said, “Oh, He is Nārāyaṇa. 171 00:10:05,424 --> 00:10:08,123 Let us offer our respect,” and they went away. 172 00:10:08,124 --> 00:10:12,353 Actually there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa and Nārāyaṇa. [splice] 173 00:10:12,354 --> 00:10:16,843 But gopīs were not very much interested with Nārāyaṇa. 174 00:10:16,844 --> 00:10:23,313 They wanted Kṛṣṇa, although there is no difference between Nārāyaṇa and Kṛṣṇa. 175 00:10:23,314 --> 00:10:29,773 Similarly, although there is no difference between Rāma and Kṛṣṇa, 176 00:10:29,774 --> 00:10:35,513 some devotees are attracted with rāma-mūrti 177 00:10:35,514 --> 00:10:40,233 and some devotees are attracted with kṛṣṇa-mūrti. 178 00:10:40,234 --> 00:10:44,923 But factually there is no difference. 179 00:10:44,924 --> 00:10:58,453 But in the śāstras it is said that if you chant the name of Viṣṇu, Viṣṇu-sahasra-nāma, 180 00:10:58,454 --> 00:11:03,733 by chanting one thousand times Lord Viṣṇu’s name 181 00:11:03,734 --> 00:11:10,113 is equal to one name of Rāma. 182 00:11:10,114 --> 00:11:14,963 And by chanting three times the name of Lord Rāma 183 00:11:14,964 --> 00:11:18,443 it is equal to one name of Kṛṣṇa. 184 00:11:18,444 --> 00:11:21,053 This is the verdict of the śāstra. 185 00:11:21,054 --> 00:11:30,323 So when we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Rāma is there already, three times. 186 00:11:30,324 --> 00:11:38,914 It is not that because we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa we are neglecting Rāma, no. 187 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:43,974 With each Kṛṣṇa name there are three times Rāma name. 188 00:11:43,975 --> 00:11:45,984 That is the verdict of the śāstra. 189 00:11:45,985 --> 00:11:52,174 Besides that, we are chanting also Hare Rāma. 190 00:11:52,175 --> 00:11:57,544 Hare Rāma and Sītā- Rāma the same thing. 191 00:11:57,545 --> 00:12:05,854 Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa or Hare Rāma Hare Rāma, there is no difference. 192 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:12,134 This is also [indistinct], Hare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare. 193 00:12:12,135 --> 00:12:16,594 In the śāstras it is recommended, Agni Purāṇa, 194 00:12:16,595 --> 00:12:22,164 Brahmāṇḍa Purāṇa, Kali-santaraṇa Upaniṣad, 195 00:12:22,165 --> 00:12:25,794 the hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare 196 00:12:25,795 --> 00:12:29,514 hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare. 197 00:12:29,515 --> 00:12:39,914 Besides that, when we chant Kṛṣṇa’s name, we chant also Lord Rāma’s name. 198 00:12:39,915 --> 00:12:45,624 Just like in the prayer offered by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, 199 00:12:45,625 --> 00:12:51,054 Kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa he 200 00:12:51,055 --> 00:12:55,894 kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa he 201 00:12:55,895 --> 00:13:02,224 kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa rakṣa mām 202 00:13:02,225 --> 00:13:07,454 kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa pāhi mām 203 00:13:07,455 --> 00:13:12,565 rāma rāghava rāma rāghava rāma rāghava rakṣa mām 204 00:13:12,566 --> 00:13:18,635 kṛṣṇa keśava kṛṣṇa keśava kṛṣṇa keśava pāhi mām [Cc. Madhya 7.96]. 205 00:13:18,636 --> 00:13:33,612 So devotees, they always chant together Kṛṣṇa’s name and Rāma’s name. 206 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:33,614 Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com