0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,008 Lect DET 1971-07-17 Initiation--This Kartala-Playing --etc 1 00:00:17,009 --> 00:00:20,952 ANNOUNCER: The following is a lecture given by His Divine Grace 2 00:00:20,953 --> 00:00:24,660 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:24,661 --> 00:00:48,958 recorded on the 17th of July, 1971, in Detroit, Michigan. 4 00:00:48,959 --> 00:00:53,033 [kīrtana, followed by small child playing karatālas] 5 00:00:53,034 --> 00:01:07,884 PRABHUPĀDA: Oh, very good. [laughs] 6 00:01:07,885 --> 00:01:13,513 Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga bhraṣṭa sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41]. 7 00:01:13,514 --> 00:01:21,948 When Arjuna asked Kṛṣṇa that “Persons who are trying to 8 00:01:21,949 --> 00:01:26,446 make perfection in the bhakti-yoga…” 9 00:01:26,447 --> 00:01:32,271 Because the māyā’s influence is very strong. 10 00:01:32,272 --> 00:01:41,390 Anyone practicing bhakti-yoga, sometimes he may fall down. 11 00:01:41,391 --> 00:01:52,561 But there is assurance that even one falls down, there is no loss. 12 00:01:52,562 --> 00:01:57,512 That has been advised by Nārada Muni, 13 00:01:57,513 --> 00:02:03,555 that Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer 14 00:02:03,556 --> 00:02:07,868 bhajann apakvo ’tha patet tato yadi [SB 1.5.17]. 15 00:02:07,869 --> 00:02:13,536 Just like in our movement somebody joins. 16 00:02:13,537 --> 00:02:19,542 A few cases have happened also that joined, being nice, 17 00:02:19,543 --> 00:02:25,487 but all of a sudden drifted from our Society. 18 00:02:25,488 --> 00:02:34,414 So Nārada Muni advised that even some, sometimes somebody may not continue, 19 00:02:34,415 --> 00:02:39,138 but falls down, there is no loss. 20 00:02:39,139 --> 00:02:42,708 Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujam [SB 1.5.17]. 21 00:02:42,709 --> 00:02:49,170 And those who are sticking to their work, prescribed duties, 22 00:02:49,171 --> 00:02:55,139 but not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what they are gaining? 23 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:57,430 Just try to understand. 24 00:02:57,431 --> 00:03:04,199 A person, say, out of sentiment, or some other influence, 25 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,395 he joins this Movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, 26 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:14,974 but could not follow strictly the rules and regulation and falls down. 27 00:03:14,975 --> 00:03:21,113 Nārada Muni says there is no loss, even though he has fallen. 28 00:03:21,114 --> 00:03:29,968 But another person who is sticking to their material activities, a material… 29 00:03:29,969 --> 00:03:34,145 A karmī’s thinking, “What these people are doing? 30 00:03:34,146 --> 00:03:35,402 Simply wasting time. 31 00:03:35,403 --> 00:03:37,958 Let us do our duty. 32 00:03:37,959 --> 00:03:42,893 Let us produce something”—so-called production. 33 00:03:42,894 --> 00:03:46,871 So Bhāgavata says such persons 34 00:03:46,872 --> 00:03:50,371 who are very nicely done their materialistic way of life, 35 00:03:50,372 --> 00:03:58,106 duties, but has not taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what does he gain? 36 00:03:58,107 --> 00:04:00,820 This is the comparison. 37 00:04:00,821 --> 00:04:09,183 One joins this movement; due to some reason, immaturity, he falls down. 38 00:04:09,184 --> 00:04:16,285 For him the assurance is that he does not lose. 39 00:04:16,286 --> 00:04:18,397 He’s still gainer. 40 00:04:18,398 --> 00:04:21,995 But one who’s sticking to the material duties, 41 00:04:21,996 --> 00:04:29,243 but does not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the Bhāgavata says, “What does he gain?” 42 00:04:29,244 --> 00:04:33,661 It is very important question. 43 00:04:33,662 --> 00:04:39,976 The spiritualistic duty, transcendental duties, 44 00:04:39,977 --> 00:04:46,777 Kṛṣṇa consciousness duty is so nice that even if you fall down, 45 00:04:46,778 --> 00:04:54,273 whatever you have done, that is your guaranteed property. 46 00:04:54,274 --> 00:04:56,518 That is your guaranteed property. 47 00:04:56,519 --> 00:05:00,618 And anything, whatever you gain in this material world… 48 00:05:00,619 --> 00:05:07,657 Suppose you become very rich man, good factory, working. 49 00:05:07,658 --> 00:05:13,048 But as soon as this body’s ended, everything is ended. 50 00:05:13,049 --> 00:05:15,877 Lost everything. 51 00:05:15,878 --> 00:05:19,011 These things will not go with you. 52 00:05:19,012 --> 00:05:25,061 Your factory, your skyscraper building, your millions of dollars bank balance. 53 00:05:25,062 --> 00:05:28,822 That you’ll have to leave behind you. 54 00:05:28,823 --> 00:05:39,611 You have to go with your work only, what you have done, pious or sinful activities. 55 00:05:39,612 --> 00:05:40,904 That will go with you. 56 00:05:40,905 --> 00:05:46,677 The result of pious activity and sinful activity will go with you. 57 00:05:46,678 --> 00:05:54,501 But in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, whatever you have done, it will go with you, 58 00:05:54,502 --> 00:06:02,986 and to give you other chance you’ll have your birth in two nice places. 59 00:06:02,987 --> 00:06:07,204 śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41] 60 00:06:07,205 --> 00:06:13,043 Those who have fallen from this Kṛṣṇa consciousness platform 61 00:06:13,044 --> 00:06:16,336 due to many reasons, maybe— 62 00:06:16,337 --> 00:06:23,525 he’s guaranteed next life a human form of life. 63 00:06:23,526 --> 00:06:24,949 And where? 64 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:27,764 śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41] 65 00:06:27,765 --> 00:06:37,641 You’ll take your birth in a nice devotee or brāhmaṇa’s house or in a rich man’s family. 66 00:06:37,642 --> 00:06:45,086 Not only your human form of life is guaranteed, but also in a better house, 67 00:06:45,087 --> 00:06:48,336 in a better family. 68 00:06:48,337 --> 00:06:56,352 So these children who are born in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness society, 69 00:06:56,353 --> 00:07:03,793 they are those children… Those who could not finish Kṛṣṇa consciousness last life. 70 00:07:03,794 --> 00:07:11,459 They have been given to take birth in the family of devotee husband and wife; 71 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:14,321 therefore he’s playing karatāla. 72 00:07:14,322 --> 00:07:18,412 DEVOTEE: All glories to Prabhupāda! 73 00:07:18,413 --> 00:07:20,207 Otherwise it is not possible. 74 00:07:20,208 --> 00:07:23,779 He had practice in his last life. 75 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:26,198 Jaya Prabhupāda! 76 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,909 Therefore he’s quickly… He had got the chance. 77 00:07:28,910 --> 00:07:31,336 Again he’s remembering and playing. 78 00:07:31,337 --> 00:07:33,210 This is the fact. 79 00:07:33,211 --> 00:07:36,909 Jaya Prabhupāda! 80 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:41,584 So we have to study from the śāstric vision. 81 00:07:41,585 --> 00:07:43,661 Śāstra-cakṣuṣāt [through the śāstra]. 82 00:07:43,662 --> 00:07:45,317 How you’ll see? 83 00:07:45,318 --> 00:07:49,568 You’ll see through the authority, scriptures. 84 00:07:49,569 --> 00:07:54,315 So these are the statements of authoritative scriptures. 85 00:07:54,316 --> 00:07:56,741 Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41]. 86 00:07:56,742 --> 00:08:03,966 So this child is born of a devotee father and devotee mother. 87 00:08:03,967 --> 00:08:12,156 Now he’ll again begin from the point where he lost last life. 88 00:08:12,157 --> 00:08:17,172 Suppose Kṛṣṇa consciousness he executed fifty percent. 89 00:08:17,173 --> 00:08:23,216 So he’ll begin from this life fifty-one percent. 90 00:08:23,217 --> 00:08:28,321 That fifty percent was in his stock. 91 00:08:28,322 --> 00:08:32,356 But ordinary karmīs—cent percent lost. 92 00:08:32,357 --> 00:08:37,211 He has to begin another chapter of life according to his karma. 93 00:08:37,212 --> 00:08:43,190 Either he’ll become a man or dog, there is no guarantee. 94 00:08:43,191 --> 00:08:48,472 If he has maintained a dog mentality, then he’ll get a dog’s body. 95 00:08:48,473 --> 00:08:53,387 All this property he made in this life goes to hell. 96 00:08:53,388 --> 00:08:58,009 He becomes a dog if he has maintained a dog mentality. 97 00:08:58,010 --> 00:09:03,735 And if he has maintained a god’s mentality, then he becomes a god also. 98 00:09:03,736 --> 00:09:06,640 But that will depend on his work. 99 00:09:06,641 --> 00:09:12,504 But generally the karmīs, they are not very good mentality. 100 00:09:12,505 --> 00:09:14,629 So there is risk. 101 00:09:14,630 --> 00:09:16,105 You do not know. 102 00:09:16,106 --> 00:09:17,653 Karmaṇā daiva netreṇa [SB 3.31.1]. 103 00:09:17,654 --> 00:09:21,538 The judgement will be done by the superior authority, 104 00:09:21,539 --> 00:09:29,241 and he’ll be given a particular type of body, as he has maintained the consciousness. 105 00:09:29,242 --> 00:09:33,866 Therefore our business, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is 106 00:09:33,867 --> 00:09:39,154 to train the followers to Kṛṣṇa consciousness 107 00:09:39,155 --> 00:09:45,851 so that next life he gets Kṛṣṇa consciousness atmosphere. 108 00:09:45,852 --> 00:09:51,971 He’s not promoted immediately, directly to the abode of Kṛṣṇa. 109 00:09:51,972 --> 00:09:54,683 That is also possible. 110 00:09:54,684 --> 00:09:57,222 Mad-yājino ’pi yānti mām [Bg. 9.25]. 111 00:09:57,223 --> 00:10:02,773 “Those who are My devotees, they come to My place.” 112 00:10:02,774 --> 00:10:05,248 Kṛṣṇa says. 113 00:10:05,249 --> 00:10:09,546 So if you perfect your Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this life, 114 00:10:09,547 --> 00:10:16,484 then you’re guaranteed to be promoted to go back to home, back to Kṛṣṇa. 115 00:10:16,485 --> 00:10:20,497 If you do not perfect, then next life is guaranteed, 116 00:10:20,498 --> 00:10:30,157 a very nice human body, either in a rich man’s family or in a Kṛṣṇa conscious family. 117 00:10:30,158 --> 00:10:34,515 Just try to understand how nice this movement is. 118 00:10:34,516 --> 00:10:35,581 Thank you very much. 119 00:10:35,582 --> 00:10:41,845 Hare Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct] Yes. 120 00:10:41,846 --> 00:10:53,696 Now here is a question: If one takes a birth in a rich man family, how it is good? 121 00:10:53,697 --> 00:10:59,511 Nowadays, actually, now…, not nowadays, 122 00:10:59,512 --> 00:11:05,603 practically always… That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: 123 00:11:05,604 --> 00:11:11,732 Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayā apahṛta-cetasām [Bg. 2.44]. 124 00:11:11,733 --> 00:11:19,281 Those who get facilities of material sense gratification, bhoga, 125 00:11:19,282 --> 00:11:23,001 aiśvarya—means great opulence, 126 00:11:23,002 --> 00:11:30,661 wealthy—for them it is very difficult to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 127 00:11:30,662 --> 00:11:36,847 In other words, too much rich… 128 00:11:36,848 --> 00:11:43,535 richness, is a disqualification for coming to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 129 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:46,848 But it is not always the same. 130 00:11:46,849 --> 00:11:50,850 There are many persons, if they have associated, 131 00:11:50,851 --> 00:11:57,644 they… Unfortunately they do not associate with spiritually advanced men. 132 00:11:57,645 --> 00:11:59,958 That is their defect. 133 00:11:59,959 --> 00:12:05,283 They think the spiritual advancement is poor man’s business: 134 00:12:05,284 --> 00:12:07,399 “They have no sufficient to eat. 135 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,688 Therefore they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. 136 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:12,159 What they can do? 137 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,833 We have got this factory. 138 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:15,710 We have to go to the factory.” 139 00:12:15,711 --> 00:12:18,105 That is their mentality. 140 00:12:18,106 --> 00:12:20,709 Therefore it is not good. 141 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:26,833 But if one is intelligent, if he has got good association, 142 00:12:26,834 --> 00:12:31,464 then he understands the verdict of Bhagavad-gītā, 143 00:12:31,465 --> 00:12:35,059 Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga bhraṣṭa sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41]. 144 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:41,509 If he thinks that “I have got this opportunity of opulence. 145 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:47,717 I have nothing to bother about my living and eating. 146 00:12:47,718 --> 00:12:50,716 I am born rich man. 147 00:12:50,717 --> 00:12:54,162 Why I am given so much chance? 148 00:12:54,163 --> 00:13:01,853 Because last, my, I executed Kṛṣṇa consciousness, yoga; I could not finish. 149 00:13:01,854 --> 00:13:04,736 Therefore Kṛṣṇa has given me this chance 150 00:13:04,737 --> 00:13:09,837 that I’ll not have to bother about my eating, sleeping. 151 00:13:09,838 --> 00:13:15,642 I save my time and engage myself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.” 152 00:13:15,643 --> 00:13:18,675 Unfortunately, due to bad association, 153 00:13:18,676 --> 00:13:23,926 they think, “[splice] We have got so much money, father’s money, 154 00:13:23,927 --> 00:13:26,239 for nothing, without any labor. 155 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,954 So either let me become a great sense enjoyer or a hippy.” 156 00:13:30,955 --> 00:13:36,317 That’s all. 157 00:13:36,318 --> 00:13:40,402 It is due to bad association. 158 00:13:40,403 --> 00:13:49,671 Therefore it is our duty to go door to door and inform them the message of Kṛṣṇa, 159 00:13:49,672 --> 00:13:56,727 without any discrimination, so that they’ll come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 160 00:13:56,728 --> 00:14:04,201 All right, give me…. 161 00:14:04,202 --> 00:14:04,203 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com