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Lect DET 1971-07-17 Initiation--This Kartala-Playing --etc
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ANNOUNCER: The following is a
lecture given by His Divine Grace
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A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 17th of July, 1971, in Detroit, Michigan.
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[kīrtana, followed by small child playing karatālas]
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PRABHUPĀDA: Oh, very good. [laughs]
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Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga
bhraṣṭa sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41].
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When Arjuna asked Kṛṣṇa that
“Persons who are trying to
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make perfection in the bhakti-yoga…”
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Because the māyā’s influence is very strong.
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Anyone practicing bhakti-yoga,
sometimes he may fall down.
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But there is assurance that even
one falls down, there is no loss.
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That has been advised by Nārada Muni,
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that Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer
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bhajann apakvo ’tha patet tato yadi [SB 1.5.17].
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Just like in our movement somebody joins.
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A few cases have happened also that joined, being nice,
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but all of a sudden drifted from our Society.
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So Nārada Muni advised that even some,
sometimes somebody may not continue,
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but falls down, there is no loss.
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Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujam [SB 1.5.17].
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And those who are sticking to
their work, prescribed duties,
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but not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what they are gaining?
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Just try to understand.
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A person, say, out of sentiment,
or some other influence,
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he joins this Movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness,
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but could not follow strictly the
rules and regulation and falls down.
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Nārada Muni says there is no
loss, even though he has fallen.
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But another person who is sticking to
their material activities, a material…
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A karmī’s thinking, “What these people are doing?
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Simply wasting time.
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Let us do our duty.
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Let us produce something”—so-called production.
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So Bhāgavata says such persons
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who are very nicely done their materialistic way of life,
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duties, but has not taken to Kṛṣṇa
consciousness, what does he gain?
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This is the comparison.
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One joins this movement; due to some
reason, immaturity, he falls down.
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For him the assurance is that he does not lose.
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He’s still gainer.
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But one who’s sticking to the material duties,
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but does not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness,
the Bhāgavata says, “What does he gain?”
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It is very important question.
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The spiritualistic duty, transcendental duties,
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Kṛṣṇa consciousness duty is so
nice that even if you fall down,
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whatever you have done, that
is your guaranteed property.
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That is your guaranteed property.
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And anything, whatever you gain in this material world…
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Suppose you become very rich
man, good factory, working.
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But as soon as this body’s ended, everything is ended.
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Lost everything.
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These things will not go with you.
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Your factory, your skyscraper building,
your millions of dollars bank balance.
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That you’ll have to leave behind you.
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You have to go with your work only, what
you have done, pious or sinful activities.
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That will go with you.
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The result of pious activity and
sinful activity will go with you.
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But in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, whatever
you have done, it will go with you,
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and to give you other chance you’ll
have your birth in two nice places.
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śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41]
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Those who have fallen from this
Kṛṣṇa consciousness platform
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due to many reasons, maybe—
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he’s guaranteed next life a human form of life.
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And where?
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śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41]
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You’ll take your birth in a nice devotee or
brāhmaṇa’s house or in a rich man’s family.
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Not only your human form of life is
guaranteed, but also in a better house,
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in a better family.
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So these children who are born in
our Kṛṣṇa consciousness society,
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they are those children… Those who could
not finish Kṛṣṇa consciousness last life.
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They have been given to take birth in
the family of devotee husband and wife;
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therefore he’s playing karatāla.
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DEVOTEE: All glories to Prabhupāda!
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Otherwise it is not possible.
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He had practice in his last life.
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Jaya Prabhupāda!
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Therefore he’s quickly… He had got the chance.
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Again he’s remembering and playing.
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This is the fact.
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Jaya Prabhupāda!
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So we have to study from the śāstric vision.
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Śāstra-cakṣuṣāt [through the śāstra].
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How you’ll see?
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You’ll see through the authority, scriptures.
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So these are the statements of authoritative scriptures.
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Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41].
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So this child is born of a devotee
father and devotee mother.
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Now he’ll again begin from the
point where he lost last life.
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Suppose Kṛṣṇa consciousness he executed fifty percent.
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So he’ll begin from this life fifty-one percent.
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That fifty percent was in his stock.
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But ordinary karmīs—cent percent lost.
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He has to begin another chapter
of life according to his karma.
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Either he’ll become a man or dog, there is no guarantee.
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If he has maintained a dog mentality,
then he’ll get a dog’s body.
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All this property he made in this life goes to hell.
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He becomes a dog if he has
maintained a dog mentality.
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And if he has maintained a god’s
mentality, then he becomes a god also.
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But that will depend on his work.
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But generally the karmīs, they
are not very good mentality.
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So there is risk.
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You do not know.
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Karmaṇā daiva netreṇa [SB 3.31.1].
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The judgement will be done by the superior authority,
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and he’ll be given a particular type of body,
as he has maintained the consciousness.
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Therefore our business, this Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement, is
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to train the followers to Kṛṣṇa consciousness
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so that next life he gets Kṛṣṇa
consciousness atmosphere.
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He’s not promoted immediately,
directly to the abode of Kṛṣṇa.
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That is also possible.
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Mad-yājino ’pi yānti mām [Bg. 9.25].
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“Those who are My devotees, they come to My place.”
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Kṛṣṇa says.
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So if you perfect your Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this life,
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then you’re guaranteed to be promoted
to go back to home, back to Kṛṣṇa.
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If you do not perfect, then next life is guaranteed,
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a very nice human body, either in a rich
man’s family or in a Kṛṣṇa conscious family.
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Just try to understand how nice this movement is.
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Thank you very much.
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Hare Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct] Yes.
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Now here is a question: If one takes a
birth in a rich man family, how it is good?
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Nowadays, actually, now…, not nowadays,
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practically always… That is also
stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:
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Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayā
apahṛta-cetasām [Bg. 2.44].
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Those who get facilities of material
sense gratification, bhoga,
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aiśvarya—means great opulence,
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wealthy—for them it is very difficult
to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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In other words, too much rich…
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richness, is a disqualification for
coming to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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But it is not always the same.
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There are many persons, if they have associated,
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they… Unfortunately they do not
associate with spiritually advanced men.
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That is their defect.
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They think the spiritual advancement
is poor man’s business:
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“They have no sufficient to eat.
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Therefore they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.
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What they can do?
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We have got this factory.
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We have to go to the factory.”
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That is their mentality.
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Therefore it is not good.
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But if one is intelligent, if he has got good association,
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then he understands the verdict of Bhagavad-gītā,
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Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga
bhraṣṭa sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41].
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If he thinks that “I have got
this opportunity of opulence.
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I have nothing to bother about my living and eating.
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I am born rich man.
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Why I am given so much chance?
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Because last, my, I executed Kṛṣṇa
consciousness, yoga; I could not finish.
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Therefore Kṛṣṇa has given me this chance
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that I’ll not have to bother about my eating, sleeping.
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I save my time and engage
myself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.”
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Unfortunately, due to bad association,
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they think, “[splice] We have got
so much money, father’s money,
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for nothing, without any labor.
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So either let me become a
great sense enjoyer or a hippy.”
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That’s all.
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It is due to bad association.
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Therefore it is our duty to go door to door
and inform them the message of Kṛṣṇa,
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without any discrimination, so that
they’ll come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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All right, give me….
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