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MW DEL 1975-12-07 Scientific Eggheads- Manufacture an Egg
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 7th of December,
1975, in Vṛndāvana, India.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Agra came yesterday, Prabhupāda.
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He wants to live with us.
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He knows Hindi. He’s a teacher.
He’s a doctor. He’s a writer.
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He’s very, very nice. I’ll bring him to you today.
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PRABHUPĀDA: He knows English also?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: English very well.
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Very humble and he wants to teach.
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If he can stay in Vṛndāvana I think
it will be very, very beneficial for us.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Wonderful.
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I’ll bring him this morning if it’s all right.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Jaya. He bows down. He pays dandavats.
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He said, “You’re a sannyāsī, so I
must respect. I’m only a gṛhastha.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, that is the duty.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: And he is also very intelligent.
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He’s not just doing it out of sentiment.
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Very nice man. Older man.
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PRABHUPĀDA: If a sannyāsī is not offered respect,
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the punishment is that he should fast one day.
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That is śāstric injunction.
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GUNARNAVA: What is the
punishment if one doesn’t fast?
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PRABHUPĀDA: You must go to hell. [laughter] [splice]
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…much colder today.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, and it will increase.
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Yes.
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In December January it will be very cold.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. It’ll be
almost twice as cold. [break]
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PRABHUPĀDA: …middle of
January, there will be cloud, rain.
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You have no experience, last winter, anyone?
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Huh?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes, I have.
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Still, if we’re sincere we’ll stay in Vṛndāvana
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even if blood and stool comes from the sky,
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if you want.
PRABHUPĀDA: Why do you expect that? [break]
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…chapati, you apply little ghee?
AKSAYĀNANDA: For the guests.
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PRABHUPĀDA: And not for you?
AKSAYĀNANDA: No.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Why?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Because it’s very
expensive and not necessary.
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PRABHUPĀDA: No.
AKSAYĀNANDA: If you say it is necessary, we will do.
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PRABHUPĀDA: No, in this season it is necessary.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Very nice. We’ll do. That is nice.
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A little more ghee should be there.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: A little more grain.
Even little grain at night is all right, I think.
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PRABHUPĀDA: No, you must eat properly.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes.
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Then we’ll do it.
PRABHUPĀDA: And try to keep some cows.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Accha.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. On the other land.
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Make a shed immediately and keep some cows.
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And Viśvambhara, he is
experienced. He will help. [break]
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…necessary vairāgya, there is no need.
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We don’t approve that.
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Yuktāhāra-vihāras ca [?].
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What you require for keeping
health but not to eat too much.
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But what is absolutely required must be done.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: I heard that if you pass stool
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more than once a day you become
a bhogī? You are called a bhogī?
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Does that mean a serious
devotee should only pass stool once a day?
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PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t artificially do that. [laughter]
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First of all become yogi. Then do it.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes.
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Of course, it can only be done by Kṛṣṇa’s
mercy, but one should at least try for that.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
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Don’t try for passing stool once. [laughter]
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That does not make you a yogi.
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BHAVANANDA: Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ
mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47].
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PRABHUPĀDA: Antara… Yes.
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That makes you yogi, not by passing stool. [laughter]
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Hare Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct]
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HARIKESA: That will be it? The scientist and the egg?
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
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HARIKESA: Okay.
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PRABHUPĀDA: You know that? What is that article?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: The one you heard last night?
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PRABHUPĀDA: No.
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When I was in South America I saw that…
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HARIKESA: South Africa.
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PRABHUPĀDA: South Africa.
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There are many factories for chicken killing.
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So I suggested that the egg, you can
analyze, find out the chemicals and…
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Create one.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Create one egg.
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That was my proposal.
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So he is going to create. [laughter]
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He’ll explain how to create egg from…
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AKSAYĀNANDA: From chemicals.
JNANA: And make chicken.
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HARIKESA: Calcium phosphate and a little
sulphur for the yellow, make some color,
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and cover it in plastic and put it in
an incubator and let a chicken grow.
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PRABHUPĀDA: And you eat.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: That will be a nice article.
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HARIKESA: And if they can, they
can beat us on the face with shoes,
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and if they can’t, we can beat
them on the face with shoes.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Well, that’s another thing. [break]
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PRABHUPĀDA: Regret is that these rascals
are going as scientists and big men.
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Simply talk. They cannot create.
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It is very simple thing.
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Put some chemicals together
and if you know the chemicals,
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then why don’t you put it?
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And incubator put, then you don’t
require to kill so many chicken. [break]
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ALANATH: In Sweden when you
go on the street and you preach,
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“Everybody must suffer here,”
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they don’t believe because
everybody got an apartment.
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They have never seen a poor man or a starving cow.
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PRAHUPADA: But he is himself a poor man.
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ALANATH: In Sweden…
PRABHUPĀDA: But he has no knowledge to understand it.
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Why he is falling down from the
skyscraper and killing himself? Why?
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A poor man commits suicide.
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So if he is committing suicide he
is a poor man. He is a poor man.
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He falsely thinking that he is rich man.
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ALANATH: We’re printing now a book there
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with all the talks according to the
scientists and according to the Christian
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philosophy what was lately in
the Back to Godheads in America.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t write anything
nonsense. It must be very solid.
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Otherwise, you’ll be laughing stock.
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What you’ll say, it must…
ALANATH: No, just the talks you make.
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Just your conversations.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Your lectures only.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Oh. That’s all right.
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One must be confident before challenging others.
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Not that theoretical. Challenge is no good.
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In all stages he must be able to defend
himself from the opposing elements.
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Then such challenge is all right. [break]
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We are confident that this soul
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cannot be manufactured by any material
combination. Therefore we can challenge.
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And I can defend ourself in any stage. [break]
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Cānā, cānā?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Channā?
PRABHUPĀDA: Not channā but cānā.
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Cānaka dāhl?
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Dāhl. Cānā dāhl, yes.
PRABHUPĀDA: Ah, yes.
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Cānā dāhl is good nowadays.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Chick pea dahl for winter.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Mixed with little uraḍ dāhl,
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then it will be very palatable and very beneficial.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: For at lunchtime?
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. Very good. [break]
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…dāhl will give you as much
energy as eggs will any time.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
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AKSAYĀNANDA: Practically the same thing.
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PRABHUPĀDA: It contains protein.
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HARIKESA: Actually it’s a wonderful challenge.
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This big, big scientist, big, big brain…
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PRABHUPĀDA: Big, big monkey. [laughter]
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“Big, big monkey, big, big belly,
Ceylon jumping, melancholy.”
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HARIKESA: And we walk in and
put an egg in front of him.
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PRABHUPĀDA: You do not know this?
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Baro baro bandolel, baro baro peṭ laṅkā
dingate, matakare het [?]. [laughter]
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This translation was done by one
big professor, of President’s College,
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Professor Rowe. He was a big
professor in the President’s College.
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So these professors required to
learn Bengali, so he translated,
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“Big, big monkey, big, big belly,
Ceylon jumping melancholy.” [break]
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ALANATH: There’s some countries in Europe
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where they have absolute laws
against selling books in the street.
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In these countries do we have to make
something secret to sell your books?
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PRABHUPĀDA: Secret? Why?
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ALANATH: Because otherwise they
would immediately put you in prison.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Where? Here in India?
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ALANATH: No. In Europe, like in Switzerland.
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But when we go there for selling
books people take them like anything,
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but you have to hide before the police very carefully.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Why? Why don’t
you take permission from the court?
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ALANATH: No. It’s not possible.
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AKṢAYĀNANDA: Have you applied?
ALANATH: They have very strict laws.
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It’s also been applied for.
PRABHUPĀDA: No, you have to prove: “This is very
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important book of knowledge, so allow us a special.”
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ALANATH: It’s especially different if
foreigners try to sell a book there.
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And we have… Like in Austria we
have no Austrian devotees there.
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AKṢAYĀNANDA: They think it’s an invasion.
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ALANATH: Yes. We used to go there
sometimes, and it was very good.
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People took many many books,
but sometimes they caught us, so…
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PRABHUPĀDA: No, if they caught,
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go to the jail and when there
is trial you should explain that
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“This is very important book. The
government should allow to sell.”
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ALANATH: If the policemen liked us, but the law is strict.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Therefore you
have to take defense from the law.
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You present in the court the professors’ opinion,
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how they are giving standing order.
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Why the state should restrain distributing knowledge?
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Do they want to keep their men in darkness?
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You have to preach like that. [break]…
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University is the most important university in Europe.
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They read our books. They order standing order.
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So why this loafer state prohibit?
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ALANATH: …these explanations, they always argue,
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“If we allow you to sell your books, then we
must allow everybody to sell on the street.”
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PRABHUPĀDA: No.
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But you must consider the importance of… [break]
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Everybody submits application
for becoming high court judge.
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Will it be granted?
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There must be discrimination.
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