0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,581 MW DEL 1975-12-07 Scientific Eggheads- Manufacture an Egg 1 00:00:13,582 --> 00:00:16,671 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:16,672 --> 00:00:21,961 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:21,962 --> 00:00:45,151 recorded on the 7th of December, 1975, in Vṛndāvana, India. 4 00:00:45,152 --> 00:00:46,871 AKSAYĀNANDA: Agra came yesterday, Prabhupāda. 5 00:00:46,872 --> 00:00:49,121 He wants to live with us. 6 00:00:49,122 --> 00:00:54,101 He knows Hindi. He’s a teacher. He’s a doctor. He’s a writer. 7 00:00:54,102 --> 00:00:57,651 He’s very, very nice. I’ll bring him to you today. 8 00:00:57,652 --> 00:00:58,741 PRABHUPĀDA: He knows English also? 9 00:00:58,742 --> 00:01:00,592 AKSAYĀNANDA: English very well. 10 00:01:00,593 --> 00:01:04,902 Very humble and he wants to teach. 11 00:01:04,903 --> 00:01:08,912 If he can stay in Vṛndāvana I think it will be very, very beneficial for us. 12 00:01:08,913 --> 00:01:11,132 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Wonderful. 13 00:01:11,133 --> 00:01:12,822 I’ll bring him this morning if it’s all right. 14 00:01:12,823 --> 00:01:16,262 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Jaya. He bows down. He pays dandavats. 15 00:01:16,263 --> 00:01:20,152 He said, “You’re a sannyāsī, so I must respect. I’m only a gṛhastha. 16 00:01:20,153 --> 00:01:21,882 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, that is the duty. 17 00:01:21,883 --> 00:01:23,272 AKSAYĀNANDA: And he is also very intelligent. 18 00:01:23,273 --> 00:01:26,382 He’s not just doing it out of sentiment. 19 00:01:26,383 --> 00:01:28,552 Very nice man. Older man. 20 00:01:28,553 --> 00:01:31,852 PRABHUPĀDA: If a sannyāsī is not offered respect, 21 00:01:31,853 --> 00:01:36,462 the punishment is that he should fast one day. 22 00:01:36,463 --> 00:01:38,732 That is śāstric injunction. 23 00:01:38,733 --> 00:01:43,502 GUNARNAVA: What is the punishment if one doesn’t fast? 24 00:01:43,503 --> 00:01:49,053 PRABHUPĀDA: You must go to hell. [laughter] [splice] 25 00:01:49,054 --> 00:01:54,923 …much colder today. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, and it will increase. 26 00:01:54,924 --> 00:01:56,293 Yes. 27 00:01:56,294 --> 00:01:59,663 In December January it will be very cold. 28 00:01:59,664 --> 00:02:04,433 AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. It’ll be almost twice as cold. [break] 29 00:02:04,434 --> 00:02:10,403 PRABHUPĀDA: …middle of January, there will be cloud, rain. 30 00:02:10,404 --> 00:02:14,303 You have no experience, last winter, anyone? 31 00:02:14,304 --> 00:02:16,673 Huh? 32 00:02:16,674 --> 00:02:19,623 AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes, I have. 33 00:02:19,624 --> 00:02:20,793 Still, if we’re sincere we’ll stay in Vṛndāvana 34 00:02:20,794 --> 00:02:24,573 even if blood and stool comes from the sky, 35 00:02:24,574 --> 00:02:30,743 if you want. PRABHUPĀDA: Why do you expect that? [break] 36 00:02:30,744 --> 00:02:35,033 …chapati, you apply little ghee? AKSAYĀNANDA: For the guests. 37 00:02:35,034 --> 00:02:36,633 PRABHUPĀDA: And not for you? AKSAYĀNANDA: No. 38 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:38,433 PRABHUPĀDA: Why? 39 00:02:38,434 --> 00:02:40,883 AKSAYĀNANDA: Because it’s very expensive and not necessary. 40 00:02:40,884 --> 00:02:43,063 PRABHUPĀDA: No. AKSAYĀNANDA: If you say it is necessary, we will do. 41 00:02:43,064 --> 00:02:45,354 PRABHUPĀDA: No, in this season it is necessary. 42 00:02:45,355 --> 00:02:49,164 AKSAYĀNANDA: Very nice. We’ll do. That is nice. 43 00:02:49,165 --> 00:02:49,694 A little more ghee should be there. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. 44 00:02:49,695 --> 00:02:55,134 AKSAYĀNANDA: A little more grain. Even little grain at night is all right, I think. 45 00:02:55,135 --> 00:02:57,784 PRABHUPĀDA: No, you must eat properly. AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. 46 00:02:57,785 --> 00:03:00,534 Then we’ll do it. PRABHUPĀDA: And try to keep some cows. 47 00:03:00,535 --> 00:03:04,564 AKSAYĀNANDA: Accha. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. On the other land. 48 00:03:04,565 --> 00:03:10,754 Make a shed immediately and keep some cows. 49 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:16,594 And Viśvambhara, he is experienced. He will help. [break] 50 00:03:16,595 --> 00:03:19,674 …necessary vairāgya, there is no need. 51 00:03:19,675 --> 00:03:24,264 We don’t approve that. 52 00:03:24,265 --> 00:03:28,054 Yuktāhāra-vihāras ca [?]. 53 00:03:28,055 --> 00:03:34,964 What you require for keeping health but not to eat too much. 54 00:03:34,965 --> 00:03:41,174 But what is absolutely required must be done. 55 00:03:41,175 --> 00:03:43,144 AKSAYĀNANDA: I heard that if you pass stool 56 00:03:43,145 --> 00:03:47,634 more than once a day you become a bhogī? You are called a bhogī? 57 00:03:47,635 --> 00:03:48,165 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. 58 00:03:48,166 --> 00:03:53,015 AKSAYĀNANDA: Does that mean a serious devotee should only pass stool once a day? 59 00:03:53,016 --> 00:03:56,725 PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t artificially do that. [laughter] 60 00:03:56,726 --> 00:03:59,155 First of all become yogi. Then do it. 61 00:03:59,156 --> 00:04:05,005 AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. 62 00:04:05,006 --> 00:04:10,935 Of course, it can only be done by Kṛṣṇa’s mercy, but one should at least try for that. 63 00:04:10,936 --> 00:04:14,965 PRABHUPĀDA: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. 64 00:04:14,966 --> 00:04:24,535 Don’t try for passing stool once. [laughter] 65 00:04:24,536 --> 00:04:28,645 That does not make you a yogi. 66 00:04:28,646 --> 00:04:31,015 BHAVANANDA: Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47]. 67 00:04:31,016 --> 00:04:33,505 PRABHUPĀDA: Antara… Yes. 68 00:04:33,506 --> 00:04:39,025 That makes you yogi, not by passing stool. [laughter] 69 00:04:39,026 --> 00:04:47,695 Hare Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct] 70 00:04:47,696 --> 00:04:50,005 HARIKESA: That will be it? The scientist and the egg? PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. 71 00:04:50,006 --> 00:04:52,215 HARIKESA: Okay. 72 00:04:52,216 --> 00:04:55,386 PRABHUPĀDA: You know that? What is that article? 73 00:04:55,387 --> 00:04:56,996 AKSAYĀNANDA: The one you heard last night? 74 00:04:56,997 --> 00:05:00,586 PRABHUPĀDA: No. 75 00:05:00,587 --> 00:05:05,576 When I was in South America I saw that… 76 00:05:05,577 --> 00:05:07,896 HARIKESA: South Africa. 77 00:05:07,897 --> 00:05:10,386 PRABHUPĀDA: South Africa. 78 00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:16,676 There are many factories for chicken killing. 79 00:05:16,677 --> 00:05:28,846 So I suggested that the egg, you can analyze, find out the chemicals and… 80 00:05:28,847 --> 00:05:30,016 AKSAYĀNANDA: Create one. 81 00:05:30,017 --> 00:05:32,686 PRABHUPĀDA: Create one egg. 82 00:05:32,687 --> 00:05:35,776 That was my proposal. 83 00:05:35,777 --> 00:05:45,126 So he is going to create. [laughter] 84 00:05:45,127 --> 00:05:50,246 He’ll explain how to create egg from… 85 00:05:50,247 --> 00:05:52,206 AKSAYĀNANDA: From chemicals. JNANA: And make chicken. 86 00:05:52,207 --> 00:06:00,356 HARIKESA: Calcium phosphate and a little sulphur for the yellow, make some color, 87 00:06:00,357 --> 00:06:07,086 and cover it in plastic and put it in an incubator and let a chicken grow. 88 00:06:07,087 --> 00:06:14,917 PRABHUPĀDA: And you eat. 89 00:06:14,918 --> 00:06:20,377 AKSAYĀNANDA: That will be a nice article. 90 00:06:20,378 --> 00:06:24,557 HARIKESA: And if they can, they can beat us on the face with shoes, 91 00:06:24,558 --> 00:06:27,527 and if they can’t, we can beat them on the face with shoes. 92 00:06:27,528 --> 00:06:31,717 AKSAYĀNANDA: Well, that’s another thing. [break] 93 00:06:31,718 --> 00:06:39,347 PRABHUPĀDA: Regret is that these rascals are going as scientists and big men. 94 00:06:39,348 --> 00:06:43,057 Simply talk. They cannot create. 95 00:06:43,058 --> 00:06:46,387 It is very simple thing. 96 00:06:46,388 --> 00:06:52,017 Put some chemicals together and if you know the chemicals, 97 00:06:52,018 --> 00:06:55,397 then why don’t you put it? 98 00:06:55,398 --> 00:07:04,287 And incubator put, then you don’t require to kill so many chicken. [break] 99 00:07:04,288 --> 00:07:07,257 ALANATH: In Sweden when you go on the street and you preach, 100 00:07:07,258 --> 00:07:09,107 “Everybody must suffer here,” 101 00:07:09,108 --> 00:07:11,837 they don’t believe because everybody got an apartment. 102 00:07:11,838 --> 00:07:14,607 They have never seen a poor man or a starving cow. 103 00:07:14,608 --> 00:07:16,807 PRAHUPADA: But he is himself a poor man. 104 00:07:16,808 --> 00:07:20,838 ALANATH: In Sweden… PRABHUPĀDA: But he has no knowledge to understand it. 105 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:28,528 Why he is falling down from the skyscraper and killing himself? Why? 106 00:07:28,529 --> 00:07:31,018 A poor man commits suicide. 107 00:07:31,019 --> 00:07:35,468 So if he is committing suicide he is a poor man. He is a poor man. 108 00:07:35,469 --> 00:07:39,448 He falsely thinking that he is rich man. 109 00:07:39,449 --> 00:07:41,028 ALANATH: We’re printing now a book there 110 00:07:41,029 --> 00:07:44,808 with all the talks according to the scientists and according to the Christian 111 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:51,538 philosophy what was lately in the Back to Godheads in America. 112 00:07:51,539 --> 00:07:56,648 PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t write anything nonsense. It must be very solid. 113 00:07:56,649 --> 00:08:00,068 Otherwise, you’ll be laughing stock. 114 00:08:00,069 --> 00:08:03,888 What you’ll say, it must… ALANATH: No, just the talks you make. 115 00:08:03,889 --> 00:08:06,438 Just your conversations. AKSAYĀNANDA: Your lectures only. 116 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:09,578 PRABHUPĀDA: Oh. That’s all right. 117 00:08:09,579 --> 00:08:15,148 One must be confident before challenging others. 118 00:08:15,149 --> 00:08:19,838 Not that theoretical. Challenge is no good. 119 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:26,258 In all stages he must be able to defend himself from the opposing elements. 120 00:08:26,259 --> 00:08:30,188 Then such challenge is all right. [break] 121 00:08:30,189 --> 00:08:36,679 We are confident that this soul 122 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:41,819 cannot be manufactured by any material combination. Therefore we can challenge. 123 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:44,589 And I can defend ourself in any stage. [break] 124 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:45,389 Cānā, cānā? 125 00:08:45,390 --> 00:08:48,329 AKSAYĀNANDA: Channā? PRABHUPĀDA: Not channā but cānā. 126 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:49,679 Cānaka dāhl? 127 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:51,909 AKSAYĀNANDA: Dāhl. Cānā dāhl, yes. PRABHUPĀDA: Ah, yes. 128 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:59,349 Cānā dāhl is good nowadays. AKSAYĀNANDA: Chick pea dahl for winter. 129 00:08:59,350 --> 00:09:02,579 PRABHUPĀDA: Mixed with little uraḍ dāhl, 130 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:14,369 then it will be very palatable and very beneficial. 131 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:16,929 AKSAYĀNANDA: For at lunchtime? 132 00:09:16,930 --> 00:09:22,639 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. Very good. [break] 133 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,069 …dāhl will give you as much energy as eggs will any time. 134 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:28,699 PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. 135 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:31,469 AKSAYĀNANDA: Practically the same thing. 136 00:09:31,470 --> 00:09:38,819 PRABHUPĀDA: It contains protein. 137 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:42,439 HARIKESA: Actually it’s a wonderful challenge. 138 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,670 This big, big scientist, big, big brain… 139 00:09:45,671 --> 00:09:49,240 PRABHUPĀDA: Big, big monkey. [laughter] 140 00:09:49,241 --> 00:09:56,710 “Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy.” 141 00:09:56,711 --> 00:09:59,210 HARIKESA: And we walk in and put an egg in front of him. 142 00:09:59,211 --> 00:10:00,970 PRABHUPĀDA: You do not know this? 143 00:10:00,971 --> 00:10:10,880 Baro baro bandolel, baro baro peṭ laṅkā dingate, matakare het [?]. [laughter] 144 00:10:10,881 --> 00:10:17,650 This translation was done by one big professor, of President’s College, 145 00:10:17,651 --> 00:10:23,640 Professor Rowe. He was a big professor in the President’s College. 146 00:10:23,641 --> 00:10:31,120 So these professors required to learn Bengali, so he translated, 147 00:10:31,121 --> 00:10:37,730 “Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping melancholy.” [break] 148 00:10:37,731 --> 00:10:39,840 ALANATH: There’s some countries in Europe 149 00:10:39,841 --> 00:10:44,670 where they have absolute laws against selling books in the street. 150 00:10:44,671 --> 00:10:49,150 In these countries do we have to make something secret to sell your books? 151 00:10:49,151 --> 00:10:50,720 PRABHUPĀDA: Secret? Why? 152 00:10:50,721 --> 00:10:54,410 ALANATH: Because otherwise they would immediately put you in prison. 153 00:10:54,411 --> 00:10:55,850 PRABHUPĀDA: Where? Here in India? 154 00:10:55,851 --> 00:10:58,560 ALANATH: No. In Europe, like in Switzerland. 155 00:10:58,561 --> 00:11:02,651 But when we go there for selling books people take them like anything, 156 00:11:02,652 --> 00:11:05,801 but you have to hide before the police very carefully. 157 00:11:05,802 --> 00:11:09,081 PRABHUPĀDA: Why? Why don’t you take permission from the court? 158 00:11:09,082 --> 00:11:12,181 ALANATH: No. It’s not possible. 159 00:11:12,182 --> 00:11:13,391 AKṢAYĀNANDA: Have you applied? ALANATH: They have very strict laws. 160 00:11:13,392 --> 00:11:15,891 It’s also been applied for. PRABHUPĀDA: No, you have to prove: “This is very 161 00:11:15,892 --> 00:11:21,881 important book of knowledge, so allow us a special.” 162 00:11:21,882 --> 00:11:28,931 ALANATH: It’s especially different if foreigners try to sell a book there. 163 00:11:28,932 --> 00:11:34,841 And we have… Like in Austria we have no Austrian devotees there. 164 00:11:34,842 --> 00:11:36,371 AKṢAYĀNANDA: They think it’s an invasion. 165 00:11:36,372 --> 00:11:39,921 ALANATH: Yes. We used to go there sometimes, and it was very good. 166 00:11:39,922 --> 00:11:44,491 People took many many books, but sometimes they caught us, so… 167 00:11:44,492 --> 00:11:45,841 PRABHUPĀDA: No, if they caught, 168 00:11:45,842 --> 00:11:51,071 go to the jail and when there is trial you should explain that 169 00:11:51,072 --> 00:11:56,561 “This is very important book. The government should allow to sell.” 170 00:11:56,562 --> 00:12:00,091 ALANATH: If the policemen liked us, but the law is strict. 171 00:12:00,092 --> 00:12:05,732 PRABHUPĀDA: Therefore you have to take defense from the law. 172 00:12:05,733 --> 00:12:09,362 You present in the court the professors’ opinion, 173 00:12:09,363 --> 00:12:11,432 how they are giving standing order. 174 00:12:11,433 --> 00:12:16,882 Why the state should restrain distributing knowledge? 175 00:12:16,883 --> 00:12:20,182 Do they want to keep their men in darkness? 176 00:12:20,183 --> 00:12:24,532 You have to preach like that. [break]… 177 00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:31,642 University is the most important university in Europe. 178 00:12:31,643 --> 00:12:35,582 They read our books. They order standing order. 179 00:12:35,583 --> 00:12:40,632 So why this loafer state prohibit? 180 00:12:40,633 --> 00:12:42,702 ALANATH: …these explanations, they always argue, 181 00:12:42,703 --> 00:12:48,012 “If we allow you to sell your books, then we must allow everybody to sell on the street.” 182 00:12:48,013 --> 00:12:49,762 PRABHUPĀDA: No. 183 00:12:49,763 --> 00:13:01,362 But you must consider the importance of… [break] 184 00:13:01,363 --> 00:13:07,932 Everybody submits application for becoming high court judge. 185 00:13:07,933 --> 00:13:10,822 Will it be granted? 186 00:13:10,823 --> 00:13:16,815 There must be discrimination. 187 00:13:16,816 --> 00:13:16,817 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com