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MW DET 1975-08-06 Krishna and Christ-Father & Son
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a
morning walk conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on August 6th,
1975 in Detroit, Michigan.
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MĀDHAVĀNANDA: It’s our duty in society
to show everyone how to work for Kṛṣṇa
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and become happy in life.
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PRABHUPĀDA: That is yajña.
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To work for Kṛṣṇa means
yajña. Yajñarthe karma:
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For yajña, performing
yajña, one has to work.
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To work for Kṛṣṇa means yajña.
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That is performance of yajña.
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[break] …Communistic idea
is borrowing this idea from…
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But because they are imperfect, they
have made [the] center [the] state.
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Because it is imperfect,
it is not successful.
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They have made
[the] center the state.
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[break] [Tamo]-guṇa
means laziness and sleep.
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The śūdras, they are
in laziness and sleep.
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So if they have got something
to eat, they will not work.
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Laziness.
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Or eat more and sleep.
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This is tamo-guṇa.
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And rajo-guṇa means they are
working for sense gratification.
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That is also useless.
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Tamo-guṇa is
laziness and sleeping,
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and rajo-guṇa means working
foolishly or for sense gratification.
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And sattva-guṇa means
they know how to work.
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And therefore above this sattva-guṇa
they become devotee, work for Kṛṣṇa.
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So without working for Kṛṣṇa,
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everyone is under the spell of
these modes of material nature.
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And there is no training
how to work for Kṛṣṇa.
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That is the defect of
modern civilization.
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ĀDI-KEŚAVA: Sometimes
people criticize us,
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saying we are teaching
everyone how to do nothing,
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that we are teaching
them about God,
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but how are we going to teach anyone
to practically survive in the world?
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Sometimes they say like that,
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that we don’t have any
practical instruction as well.
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- Practical?
- Yes.
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What is not practical?
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We are not eating?
We are not sleeping?
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They are saying,
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“Oh, when will you learn to do a trade, or
when will you learn to perform business,
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or when will you learn
to become a doctor,
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if you are always
studying [indistinct].”
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But you are doctor already; why shall
I become doctor? You serve me.
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We serve you by giving you Kṛṣṇa
consciousness; you serve me as a doctor.
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What is the wrong there?
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Parasparārtham.
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I am for you; you are for me.
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Division of labor; That
is accepted universally.
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So ask them, “Do you think that
everyone should become doctor?
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Then where is the patient?”
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Eh?
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Everything is required.
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Similarly, you require
our help also.
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It is cooperation.
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You know medical science;
we know spiritual science.
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So, let us exchange and be happy.
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Why you are envious of us?
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Why there is division in the
body—head, arms, legs, belly?
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Why not everything
head or everything leg?
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Why [is there division]?
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That is nature; it is required.
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Why this road is neglected?
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Mismanagement.
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Even they are saying that,
that we don’t know how to…
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- We’re not teaching anything practical.
- Huh?
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Even sometimes they are saying
we’re not teaching anything practical.
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What does he mean by practical?
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Practical?
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They’re thinking
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- we don’t know how to operate in the material world.
- Huh?
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They’re thinking we don’t
know how to manage things.
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We are not managing things?
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Hmm? Brahmānanda?
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- You are not managing?
BRAHMĀNANDA: We manage all day long.
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Even my father is a
big businessman.
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He said to me, “Who is this person
that taught you to manage like this?”
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He said, “I wish I could get
him to teach all my men.”
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So why don’t you [ask your] father
to join for management? Eh?
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