0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,280 MW GER 1974-06-17 Fools' Paradise Lost 1 00:00:13,281 --> 00:00:15,957 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation, 2 00:00:15,958 --> 00:00:20,854 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:20,855 --> 00:01:07,525 recorded on the 17th of June, 1974, in Germany. 4 00:01:07,526 --> 00:01:13,264 DEVOTEE: Of all the four pillars of sinful activity, is meat-eating the worst? 5 00:01:13,265 --> 00:01:17,804 PRABHUPĀDA: Everything is worst. 6 00:01:17,805 --> 00:01:20,197 Sinful is sinful. 7 00:01:20,198 --> 00:01:23,837 Disease is disease. 8 00:01:23,838 --> 00:01:35,728 This body: Either it is living or it is dead, it is not very important thing. 9 00:01:35,729 --> 00:01:41,232 And the whole world is after this body. 10 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:47,722 Kṛṣṇa says, “The body, either dead or alive: 11 00:01:47,723 --> 00:01:51,774 It is not a subject matter for serious consideration.” 12 00:01:51,775 --> 00:01:53,105 Now see. 13 00:01:53,106 --> 00:01:55,543 And what the world is going on? 14 00:01:55,544 --> 00:01:57,114 Simply for bodily… 15 00:01:57,115 --> 00:02:00,684 Body means senses. 16 00:02:00,685 --> 00:02:05,948 It is very difficult for the western people to understand that: 17 00:02:05,949 --> 00:02:10,113 Body is not important thing; the soul is important thing. 18 00:02:10,114 --> 00:02:11,879 First of all, they do not know what is soul. 19 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:20,161 And if one cannot understand what is soul, what he will understand about God? 20 00:02:20,162 --> 00:02:23,367 Soul is the minute particle of God. 21 00:02:23,368 --> 00:02:26,974 If one cannot understand about this minute particle, 22 00:02:26,975 --> 00:02:30,749 then what he’ll understand of the Supreme? 23 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:35,504 In the laboratory, if you can test a little sample… 24 00:02:35,505 --> 00:02:40,997 Just like take a little sea water: Analyze: You chemically test. 25 00:02:40,998 --> 00:02:46,232 Then you can understand what is the composition of the sea water. 26 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:50,441 But if you have no knowledge even a small drop of sea water, 27 00:02:50,442 --> 00:02:53,352 how you’ll understand the sea, what… 28 00:02:53,353 --> 00:02:55,211 That is their position. 29 00:02:55,212 --> 00:03:00,486 They do not understand even the sample of spirit soul, as we are. 30 00:03:00,487 --> 00:03:03,480 Simply they are trying to cover it. 31 00:03:03,481 --> 00:03:06,035 “There is no soul; there is no soul. 32 00:03:06,036 --> 00:03:08,774 Life is generated from matter.” 33 00:03:08,775 --> 00:03:10,381 Although they cannot prove it. 34 00:03:10,382 --> 00:03:13,116 A fool’s paradise. 35 00:03:13,117 --> 00:03:16,606 The fools, rascals: 36 00:03:16,607 --> 00:03:22,463 They are explaining the living force in some way, and other fools are accepting. 37 00:03:22,464 --> 00:03:26,988 This is the position of western countries, Europe and America. 38 00:03:26,989 --> 00:03:28,338 Fool’s paradise. 39 00:03:28,339 --> 00:03:30,682 It is paradise, certainly. 40 00:03:30,683 --> 00:03:36,676 Very, very, big, big building and advancement, but all rascals and fools. 41 00:03:36,677 --> 00:03:38,485 Fool’s paradise. 42 00:03:38,486 --> 00:03:43,186 And if you call a fool a fool, he’ll be angry. 43 00:03:43,187 --> 00:03:46,785 mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopayati na śamyati [?] 44 00:03:46,786 --> 00:03:50,242 Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Rāma Rāma… 45 00:03:50,243 --> 00:03:55,848 So much production, but if nature’s like can stop this production. 46 00:03:55,849 --> 00:03:58,050 Then the question of over-population. 47 00:03:58,051 --> 00:04:02,723 [If] the nature likes, it can produce three times, four times this production. 48 00:04:02,724 --> 00:04:05,461 prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi [Bg. 3.27] 49 00:04:05,462 --> 00:04:07,721 After all, nature is producing. 50 00:04:07,722 --> 00:04:10,590 We do not know how to deal with nature. 51 00:04:10,591 --> 00:04:14,787 Therefore there is scarcity, and we say, “over-population.” 52 00:04:14,788 --> 00:04:16,887 There is no question of over-population. 53 00:04:16,888 --> 00:04:22,291 There are so many hundred and thousands of birds within this forest—other animals. 54 00:04:22,292 --> 00:04:25,131 They have no problems of over-population. 55 00:04:25,132 --> 00:04:26,479 Eh? 56 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,738 All these men, who are living in these villages: 57 00:04:29,739 --> 00:04:32,842 So, what is their means of livelihood? 58 00:04:32,843 --> 00:04:34,973 Agriculture or industry? 59 00:04:34,974 --> 00:04:36,644 Or service? [splice] 60 00:04:36,645 --> 00:04:39,703 This should be exemplary. 61 00:04:39,704 --> 00:04:42,859 Our community shall live in this way 62 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:46,554 and save time for spiritual advancement of life. 63 00:04:46,555 --> 00:04:52,802 This example should be shown to the whole world, that “Here is a community: 64 00:04:52,803 --> 00:04:57,711 They have no problem, and they are simply interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.” 65 00:04:57,712 --> 00:05:00,037 This will be the idea. 66 00:05:00,038 --> 00:05:01,254 - Is it possible? HANSADUTTA: Yes. 67 00:05:01,255 --> 00:05:02,397 - Yeah. - Huh? 68 00:05:02,398 --> 00:05:03,873 “They do not do any industry. 69 00:05:03,874 --> 00:05:05,096 They do not kill cows. 70 00:05:05,097 --> 00:05:06,990 They do not go to cinema. 71 00:05:06,991 --> 00:05:08,926 They do not have illicit sex. 72 00:05:08,927 --> 00:05:10,296 They don’t drink. 73 00:05:10,297 --> 00:05:11,326 No problems. 74 00:05:11,327 --> 00:05:17,234 Simply they’re eating very nicely and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.” 75 00:05:17,235 --> 00:05:18,677 Show this example. 76 00:05:18,678 --> 00:05:22,013 At least in this fool’s paradise. 77 00:05:22,014 --> 00:05:24,501 They are thinking it is paradise. 78 00:05:24,502 --> 00:05:29,324 And the paradise is lost every ten years or fifteen years by the bombing. 79 00:05:29,325 --> 00:05:34,872 German bombs: the France, and France bombs the… This is their paradise. 80 00:05:34,873 --> 00:05:38,874 So let them understand that “You are all fools; It is peace. 81 00:05:38,875 --> 00:05:40,222 You are fool’s paradise. 82 00:05:40,223 --> 00:05:43,651 This is life, what we are doing;” Teach them. 83 00:05:43,652 --> 00:05:46,609 So that the fools will understand what is life. 84 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:49,124 They are manufacturing atom bomb. 85 00:05:49,125 --> 00:05:51,911 Russia is hiding himself. 86 00:05:51,912 --> 00:05:56,400 India is… Over the past few years, spending crores of rupees to develop the… 87 00:05:56,401 --> 00:06:00,518 Hmm; and people are starving for want of… 88 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:05,874 There was a cartoon that some public came to some minister: 89 00:06:05,875 --> 00:06:08,638 “Sir, we are starving; give us our food.” 90 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:13,062 So the reply was: “Of course, that’s a problem—food problem. 91 00:06:13,063 --> 00:06:22,287 But I can assure you that from next week you’ll have television.” 92 00:06:22,288 --> 00:06:24,731 These rascals are like that. 93 00:06:24,732 --> 00:06:28,878 “Next, from next week, you’ll have television—atom bomb. 94 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:32,532 Never mind; starve.” 95 00:06:32,533 --> 00:06:35,547 That is also becoming fool’s paradise. 96 00:06:35,548 --> 00:06:37,968 jaḍa-vidyā jato māyāra vaibhava [Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura] 97 00:06:37,969 --> 00:06:45,744 In this way, the more we increase sense gratification by advancement of material…, 98 00:06:45,745 --> 00:06:48,027 the more we forget Kṛṣṇa. 99 00:06:48,028 --> 00:06:52,161 And more we forget Kṛṣṇa: We are more fools. 100 00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:54,191 In England and America now, 101 00:06:54,192 --> 00:06:58,855 more and more there is a big movement for birth control and contraceptives… 102 00:06:58,856 --> 00:06:59,640 Yes. 103 00:06:59,641 --> 00:07:05,493 …as their means to conquer over the so-called over-population problem. 104 00:07:05,494 --> 00:07:07,688 No, it is not over-population. 105 00:07:07,689 --> 00:07:10,601 They don’t want to take care of children. 106 00:07:10,602 --> 00:07:12,054 This is their problem. 107 00:07:12,055 --> 00:07:14,880 It is not the question of over-population. 108 00:07:14,881 --> 00:07:20,194 They want to remain free and enjoy life, that’s all. 109 00:07:20,195 --> 00:07:21,242 No responsibility. 110 00:07:21,243 --> 00:07:22,908 That is the hippies. 111 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:24,091 That is the hippy movement. 112 00:07:24,092 --> 00:07:29,696 I have seen in all the big colleges and universities in England that I have been to, 113 00:07:29,697 --> 00:07:35,300 that this—amongst the students, the boys and girls—it is becoming so free. 114 00:07:35,301 --> 00:07:40,753 It is just like a hippy commune— the universities and colleges. 115 00:07:40,754 --> 00:07:42,601 Yes. 116 00:07:42,602 --> 00:07:47,035 They are indebted in so many ways. 117 00:07:47,036 --> 00:07:49,908 Therefore human being should be responsible. 118 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:56,454 But the modern civilization is teaching to become irresponsible. [break] 119 00:07:56,455 --> 00:07:58,481 …on the sun. 120 00:07:58,482 --> 00:08:01,976 Suppose if your heat increases, what happens to you? 121 00:08:01,977 --> 00:08:04,132 I get sick. 122 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:05,990 That’s all. 123 00:08:05,991 --> 00:08:10,556 Samudvigna: Always full of anxiety. 124 00:08:10,557 --> 00:08:13,169 sadā samudvigna-dhiyām [SB 7.5.5] 125 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:15,842 Intelligence is always absorbed: 126 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:19,020 “Enemy may not come; let me discover this: 127 00:08:19,021 --> 00:08:23,445 discover this atom bomb; this will save me; this will save me.” 128 00:08:23,446 --> 00:08:25,415 This is their… 129 00:08:25,416 --> 00:08:28,163 sadā samudvigna-dhiyām asad-grahāt [SB 7.5.5] 130 00:08:28,164 --> 00:08:29,734 Why this anxiety? 131 00:08:29,735 --> 00:08:35,497 Because they have accepted something false as truth. 132 00:08:35,498 --> 00:08:38,157 Asad-grahāt. 133 00:08:38,158 --> 00:08:44,731 They have accepted sense gratification is the truth. 134 00:08:44,732 --> 00:08:47,000 indriyāṇi parāṇy ahuḥ [Bg. 3.42] 135 00:08:47,001 --> 00:08:49,100 Indriyāṇi means senses. 136 00:08:49,101 --> 00:08:54,294 Parā: Supreme; this is supreme. 137 00:08:54,295 --> 00:09:00,818 Then, if somebody is little advanced: Indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ [Bg. 3.42]. 138 00:09:00,819 --> 00:09:05,424 Then the mental speculators: psychologists, philosophers, another, 139 00:09:05,425 --> 00:09:09,064 better class of rascals… 140 00:09:09,065 --> 00:09:12,033 This is the third-class rascal, 141 00:09:12,034 --> 00:09:15,510 and they are second-class rascal. 142 00:09:15,511 --> 00:09:19,534 indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ 143 00:09:19,535 --> 00:09:22,148 manasas tu parā buddhiḥ [Bg. 3.42] 144 00:09:22,149 --> 00:09:24,157 Then the intelligent class. 145 00:09:24,158 --> 00:09:25,888 They consider, “What is this nonsense? 146 00:09:25,889 --> 00:09:27,991 They are all suffering here.” 147 00:09:27,992 --> 00:09:33,797 In this way, one who becomes actually intelligent—wise—then he understands, 148 00:09:33,798 --> 00:09:35,506 “Kṛṣṇa is everything.” 149 00:09:35,507 --> 00:09:39,461 bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19] 150 00:09:39,462 --> 00:09:44,623 So that highest position we are giving by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 151 00:09:44,624 --> 00:09:52,956 We are not training them to be first-class… 152 00:09:52,957 --> 00:09:52,958 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com