MW JOH 1975-10-21 Abortionists-Kick Them in Nose
ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on October 21st, 1975, in Durban, South Africa.
Kṛṣṇa went to collect with Sudāmā Vipra, and all of a sudden,
there was cloud and rain, and there was too much water,
and they lived upon a tree for the whole night.
Then Sāndīpani Muni, other students, came and rescued them.
Now we have to collect to pay the electricity bill.
These things are wasted. It can be utilized.
The children, they’ll gladly collect it.
It will be like their sports.
All the children will come and collect. Just see.
Their energy is utilized, the nature’s gift is utilized, and there is no expenditure.
Such a nice arrangment. Yes. Why they should charge for education?
They’ll not cut the tree.
The dry branches or dead tree, they’ll take the wood for utilization.
We can walk down this way, Śrīla Prabhupāda [break]
…parents who would give up their children to gurukula,
they would never see them for about ten years?
Never see. Ten years? Twenty-five years.
They may go and see, give some gifts to the guru.
In the Western countries they criticize our gurukula that “This is inhuman,
people sending their children away at such an early age, not seeing them.”
And to kill, that is very human. Rascal. Kick them upon their face.
You rascal, you are talking of morality, rascal, you go to hell.
Your place is hell.
“Devil citing scripture.”
You are not… You are so shameless that you do not be ashamed to speak like that.
You are so shameless.
Your civilization is so shameless.
You are killing child in the womb, and you are talking “inhumanity.”
Just see.
We have to deal with such fools and rascals.
But they say the child in the womb is not living.
They say it’s not life yet. Only after it takes birth. That is said by you.
You, the tenth-class rascal, you say like that.
No sane man says like that.
Because you are a tenth-class rascal—you have no knowledge—you say like that.
They are… The so-called scientists, they are tenth-class rascals.
Until the child is moving there is no life.
Moving, it is not moving?
No. It doesn’t move until after seven months.
Then why the dead child cannot move, rascal?
It’s developing, it’s growing. That’s moving also.
No, no, if moving is not there, then the dead child is also not moving.
Why he is not moving again?
I don’t understand.
A dead child comes; it is not moving.
But does it come to movement again?
No.
Then?
Oh.
He is another rascal.
He takes so much time to answer [laughter]
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: This idea of the “devil citing scripture,” Prabhupāda,
is very common.
Devils, all devils.
They wanted to write an article about this for BTG,
and everybody was sitting around giving these examples.
Yes, think over. Write article.
If there was no life who is at a certain stage in the womb,
wherefrom the movement comes, if there was no life?
They say it develops to the point…
PRABHUPĀDA: But why it does not develop in a dead child, rascal?
The same child, if it comes out dead, why the movement does not develop?
Well, that one already developed properly and then died.
That child already developed properly. No, the process is the same.
It was not moving. At a cetain stage it is moving.
Similarly, if it is not moving, then wait for a certain stage; it will move.
Why it is decomposed?
But that dead child was moving and then died. How it became dead, nonsense?
The condition is the same, no movement. So how do you say “dead?”
Why do you say “dead?”
The distinction is it was not moving, and it is now not moving,
so why do you call “dead?”
In such a foolish society, how people can be happy?
Well, it’s the mother’s choice to kill the child or not.
If the child isn’t born yet, it hasn’t come to life in the world,
so the mother has the responsibility; she can kill it or not because it’s her thing,
her child, her production, so she can kill it or not.
So I can kill you; I am your guru.
Yes. Who can say anything?
I can kill you.
Why police is there?
I can say, “He is my disciple. He has fully surrendered.
I can kill him.” That’s all.
Will that argument save me from police action?
No.
The child is so dependent on the mother, if the mother mistreats the opportunity,
she also is punished.
Yes.
But if the child would cause the mother so much anxiety…
PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t talk like foolish. Don’t talk of that.
It is waste of time.
If it is the property of the mother, mother can kill at any time.
Why at a certain point if the mother kills child she is hanged?
If the mother has got the liberty to kill the child, she can kill at any time.
Well, it’s just a tumor. It’s like a tumor.
Then why you say that it is mother’s right to kill?
And tumor, can you bring life in tumor?
Kick simply on their face, on their nose.
That is the only thing to treat with such… Murkhasya latausadhiḥ.
Such fools in the society, they should be hanged.
Misleading the whole population.
Even the big, big philosophers simply say that
life doesn’t start until it comes out of the womb.
They are just convinced of it. They are just convinced of it.
No matter what argument you give, they are just simply convinced.
How they are convinced? Hm?
Prabhupāda’s argument is that if life is not there in the womb, then how it develops?
Yes. That is the point.
Just like the eggs.
If there is no life, how the chicken comes?
Why don’t you manufacture an egg and bring life from it?
That was… The other day I was talking.
So because you are tenth-class rascal you cannot understand how the life is there.
A seed. Take a seed.
Unless there is life, how a big tree comes out of it?
You manufacture something like that, imitating, and bring life.
Life is there.
Because you are tenth-class rascal you do not know.
They also bring up the insane argument that life…
PRABHUPĀDA: “Insane argument.” How we have…?
We have no time to hear such insane argument.
But these demons, Prabhupāda, they pose themselves as being very religious.
They pose themselves as being very religious.
How they are religious?
They cite scripture.
[laughs] The scripture is also devilish.
The scientists cannot immediately accept authority of the Bhāgavatam,
that it will take hundreds of years.
Less intelligent. No intelligence.
Therefore I was quoting that,
sva-vi-varāhoṣṭra-kharai saṁstuta puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [?].
This class of scientists and such, they are eulogized by small rascals.
They are rascals, and small rascals…
That is actually happening. Just like your President Nixon.
How he was being given reception, crowd.
Hundreds and thousands of people used to come.
And then again get him down, make him humiliated as far as possible.
So this is a rascal, Nixon, and the person who elected him, they are rascals.
Therefore the Bhāgavata says, sva- vi-varāhoṣṭra-kharai saṁstutaḥ [?].
Here is one big animal, and the small animals voting him. That’s all.
This is the society, animal society—the small animals praising the big animals. That’s all.
All of them are animals only.
DEVOTEE: The big animals also prey on the small animals.
Yes. Mutual praising society. That’s all.
“I praise you and you praise me.
I say you are very big; you say I am very big.” That’s all.
And compromise.
“I don’t criticize you; you don’t criticize me.” That’s all [break]
Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com