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MW LA 1973-05-13 Sudras Hear from Scientists
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a
morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on May 13th,
1973, in Los Angeles.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …got simply the belly
and legs, then it is a dead body.
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It cannot work properly.
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The brain is lost; therefore they are mad
after so much advancement of civilization.
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They’re exactly like cats and dogs.
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As soon as you enter some
country, dog, watchdog:
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“Wowf! Wowf!
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Why you have come?
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What is your business?”
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This is dog’s business.
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This is dog’s business.
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And they have set up
immigration department.
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But it is a dog’s
business, watchdog.
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I say it is watchdog’s business.
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A first-class gentleman is being searched
out pocket, whether you have got revolver.
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Cannot be trusted, all these
educated rogues and thieves.
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So what is this
advancement of civilization?
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It is civilization?
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No sober man, no intelligent man,
all cats and dogs, thieves, rogues.
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Is that civilization?
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It is not civilization.
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PARAMAHAṀSA: The question
I have Prabhupāda is that,
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before, before scientific advancement,
many people would listen to,
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like, scriptural knowledge.
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That means śūdras.
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That I have already said.
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But now they listen
more to scientists.
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That means śūdra.
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Śūdras are interested
to hear from śūdra.
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For example in the Bible they
quote that the world is flat.
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So therefore when they found
out the world is round, they say,
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- “Oh, scripture is false.”
- Yes.
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Scientists, they’ve proven the
truth that the world is round.
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- Therefore scientists…
- That must be, therefore
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the scriptures must
be transcendental.
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Nonsense scripture, and
people become nonsense.
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So except Vedic literature,
all nonsense scripture.
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They are not scripture.
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Manufactured.
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This Bible was manufactured
by this saint, this saint,
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that, according to
their imagination.
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It was not spoken
by Lord Jesus Christ.
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What was spoken by Jesus Christ,
that they ignore: “Thou shalt not kill.”
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They kill.
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Nobody is following Christian
principle; neither Bible is perfect.
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But that [indistinct] if
we say we will be shot.
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- That’s what they do now in the Vietnam.
- Yes.
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For God they are killing.
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Huh?
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One of the reasons that the
Vietnamese war was beginning
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was because Communists, being
atheists, it was a fight between
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the theists and the atheists.
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This was an excuse given.
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Yes.
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But that, that is quite all right.
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We also prepare to kill atheists.
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But preach first.
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Yes.
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- They don’t preach.
- That is, killing is also preaching.
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If I kill your ignorance,
that is also killing.
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That is also killing.
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Not… Killing does not mean that
everyone has to take the sword.
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A new method of warfare.
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Yes, it is always there.
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By argument, by knowledge.
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SVARŪPA DĀMODARA:
It’s a little wet.
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Śrīla Prabhupāda, when
you are not present with us,
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how is it possible to receive instructions,
for example, on questions that may arise?
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Well, the questions and
answers are there in my books.
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Other than that, for example,
that we would ask you in…
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Yes.
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Do you direct us also
through the heart?
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- Besides the Paramātmā?
- If your heart is pure.
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Everything depends on purity.
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What is this?
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Sacrificial arena?
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For children, I think.
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[indistinct]?
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For cooking, yeah.
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How people are
kept into ignorance.
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Life is so valuable, and they
are wasting time in that way.
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Life is valuable, how life should be
utilized, what is the object of life,
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they do not know anything.
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- Without knowing that the, or soul is eternal.
- Huh?
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- Without knowing,
- Yes.
- That the soul is eternal,
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- Everybody would be acting like this.
- Yes.
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That is… Bodily concept
of life means animal life.
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The animal does not know.
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sa eva go-kharaḥ
[SB 10.84.13]
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Go-kharaḥ.
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Go means cows, and
kharaḥ means ass.
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One who is in the, under bodily concept
of life, he is no better than animals.
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So when the animal talks of
knowledge, an intelligent man laughs.
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That is our position.
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The animals, they are
talking of knowledge.
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At least, the animals
live by certain codes.
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Aha.
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At least, the animals
live by certain codes.
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They do not, they do
not kill unless necessary.
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- They, they only eat when necessary,
- Yes
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whereas man, he kills
unnecessarily, eats unnecessarily.
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So forgetting God, we are
even lower than animals.
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Yes.
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Therefore we suffer also,
more than the animals.
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So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not
a bogus religious sentimental movement.
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It is a scientific movement.
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So now it is up to
you to prove this.
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Then you will be actually
Kṛṣṇa conscious. [break]
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So they’re saying that everything in the
universe is just happening by chance.
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- Eh?
- Just by chance.
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So you are writing
book by chance.
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Then what is the
value of your book?
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KARANDHARA: The
book is also by chance.
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Yes.
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So everyone can write chance,
so what is your credit?
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Anything nonsense can be written.
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Monod is his name.
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He got Nobel Prize in 1965 from…
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[indistinct] …Frenchman, physiologist.
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And his, chance and necessity about life,
he said everything started by chance.
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So he is saying that by chance
these chemicals combined together,
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forming these molecules,
the basic molecules…
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But wherefrom the
molecules came?
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According to him it
is simply by chance.
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Chance. [indistinct]
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So everything is chance.
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So what is the necessity
of your writing book?
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Then necessity arises, so
these molecules re-orient,
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change as a fashion,
because of necessity.
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Why?
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If everything is by chance,
[indistinct] …necessity?
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What is the meaning?
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Let the chance take place.
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Why necessity?
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- He is hoping for another Nobel Prize,
- Huh?
- by his chance.
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- Huh?
- He is hoping, he is hoping for
another Nobel Prize by his chance.
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All fools’ paradise.
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That’s all.
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Why do they send their
children to school?
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Why not let them grow by chance?
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Is there any excuse if I say, “By
chance I have violated this rule?”
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Is that the cause of excuse?
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That’s because of my ignorance.
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That is chance.
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That is chance.
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Because I am ignorant,
therefore there is chance.
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It would be just as stupid as saying
that a car is made by chance.
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Huh?
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It would just be as stupid as saying
that a beautiful instrument like a car
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- was made by chance.
- Yes, chance.
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Yes.
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That is the most regrettable condition,
that these rascals are getting recognition;
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talking all foolish, and they
are getting recognition.
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It’s so strange.
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When I read that book.
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He defines the difference between
the living and the non-living
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by a term called teleonomy.
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T E L E O N O M Y.
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I tried to find out in the dictionary
and I couldn’t find any word like that.
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- But I understood that what he meant was…
- Hyperfoorascal.
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KṚṢṆA−KĀNTĪ: He invents
his own word jugglery.
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He was trying to
present the difference
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between the organic beings
and the non-organic beings.
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So he goes in such a round about
fashion just to differentiate.
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Petitio Principii.
[Circular reasoning]
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This logic is called Petitio
Principii. [Circular reasoning]
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He has to prove something, but he is
taking his premises from that something.
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