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MW LA 1974-01-07 What Is Real Leadership
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 7th of January,
1974, in Los Angeles, California.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …achieved their
advancement of knowledge
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by seeing a crack in the moon.
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You know that?
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Yes.
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They are now researching,
“What is this crack?”
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For seeing the crack, they
spend so much money.
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BALI MARDANA: They are so foolish.
- Just see.
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When I was in Hawaii I gave a
lecture at one Catholic college,
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and the priest in charge,
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he was asking me if in our philosophy
we believe that animals have a soul.
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- He’s so foolish…
- Eh?
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The Christians are so foolish, even
though they have big learned positions,
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they do not understand that
the animal also has a soul.
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- You told, in that meeting?
- Yeah.
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- And what did they say?
- They could not deny. They could not say anything.
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Yes, what is the difference that you
say the animals… How do you say?
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What is the symptoms
of possessing soul?
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The symptoms of possessing soul
is described in the Bhagavad-gītā:
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yena sarvam idaṁ tatam [Bg 2.17].
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The consciousness.
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The animals have
no consciousness?
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How foolish they are!
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- Just to rationalize their sins.
- No. Rational or not rational…
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No, to rationalize their
meat-eating, they say…
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- Yes; to support—yes—their sinful activities.
- Yes.
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How you can say there is
no soul in the animals?
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What is the reason?
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What is their reason?
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SATSVARŪPA: At one
interview a person said to you,
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“They do not
understand metaphysics,
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and the human being
understands metaphysics.”
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Metaphysics.
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A child also does not understand.
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So therefore he has no soul?
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Cut him?
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They are doing that.
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They are doing that, so rascal.
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Do everyone understand metaphysics?
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KARANDHARA: No.
- Eh?
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- Should not be killed if they don’t understand.
- Eh?
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- They should not be killed just if they don’t understand.
- Yes.
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- Is that any reason?
DEVOTEE: Actually, they have no philosophical basis for
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that belief that the animal
has no soul; it’s just a…
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- No philosophy.
- Speculation; yeah.
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Simply rascaldom.
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And that is being preached
by the priestly class.
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Priestly class; just see the society!
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What third-class society! [break]
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- …the soul enters after the birth of the child; eh?
- Oh, no…
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Is it not?
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- Therefore killing or abortion is not bad.
- Oh.
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- They say that that a…
- Huh?
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Abortion isn’t bad because
the child is not fully formed
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and therefore is not really a life.
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It’s not really alive.
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Just see.
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Therefore one man
who is sleeping:
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He has no soul.
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- No one… They do not believe that generally.
- Yes.
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- They admit that they are killing.
- They admit?
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That they are killing the
child, but they do not care.
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’Cause they don’t want to
take the trouble to raise it.
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GURUKṚPĀ: Just like the rabbit.
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Rabbit philosophy.
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So, therefore, considering
from all points of view,
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our Kṛṣṇa consciousness
movement is the best in the world.
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There is no doubt; you
must be convinced about it.
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Otherwise, how you can preach?
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- Now is a very ripe time to push forward our philosophy.
- Eh?
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- Now it is a very ripe time to push forward our philosophy.
- Yes; yes.
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I was thinking of taking a full…, large
advertisements in New York Times,
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present our philosophy in a… So
people can read; everyone will see it.
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Now, a you you… Why
don’t you publish that…?
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I have suggested that poster.
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- For the poster?
- Yes.
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- I have not seen it.
- Take… Take contribution from public…
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- Oh yeah.
- …for one day’s advertisement.
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And advertise this
poster in every paper.
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- You see… Yes.
- I want to do that.
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Also I was thinking to have
a large scale propaganda
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- in all the college newspapers, specifically.
- Yes.
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- To attract…
- The same… One advertisement.
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What is it?
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- “Real leaders of human society.”
- Yes, yes; that…
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- You have seen that design I have given?
- No, I haven’t seen it.
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Oh, it is not yet done?
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No, it’s being worked on.
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You can give him the rough idea.
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That will [be] very
nice propaganda,
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to select real leaders
of the society.
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The… We are misled
by rascal leaders.
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That is the difficulty.
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All rascals.
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If the society is led by real, learned
scholars, then it will be nice.
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Qualified leaders.
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That is wanted; leader means
better qualified man to lead others.
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That is leader.
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Leader does not mean he is himself a
fool and leading other fools. [break]
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…poster could have a coupon for
Bhagavad-gītā to find the real solution…
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- No, no.
- They can purchase?
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Bhagavad-gītā there are so many; they’ll
purchase another rascal’s Bhagavad-gītā.
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Simply you make propaganda
that what is real leadership.
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Then they will inquire and
we shall reply. [break]
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…so many things.
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So, we may not create any
disruption amongst our solidarity.
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Then things will
not make progress.
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In a big machine, even one
screw is slack, the machine stops.
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- You know that?
- Hmm.
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So we should not
commit such mistake.
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“Don’t care; it is a small screw.”
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No; even that small screw can
stop the whole machine. [break]
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…that we are on the
platform of deathlessness.
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Then we can be careful
about falling down.
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And this is a fact.
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And we will not want to fall down.
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Yes; that… That is seriousness.
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Suppose you are going
on a plane to Vaikuṇṭha.
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So your business should be
that you may not fall down.
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The plane may not stop.
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It is like that. [break]
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…Bhāgavata, simply this
point is being stressed,
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- that “This is the platform of deathlessness.”
- Oh.
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In Bhagavad-gītā.
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