0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,777 MW LA 1974-01-07 What Is Real Leadership 1 00:00:14,778 --> 00:00:17,504 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation, 2 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:22,772 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:46,133 recorded on the 7th of January, 1974, in Los Angeles, California. 4 00:00:46,134 --> 00:00:48,387 PRABHUPĀDA: …achieved their advancement of knowledge 5 00:00:48,388 --> 00:00:50,925 by seeing a crack in the moon. 6 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:52,689 You know that? 7 00:00:52,690 --> 00:00:53,455 Yes. 8 00:00:53,456 --> 00:01:03,518 They are now researching, “What is this crack?” 9 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:05,927 For seeing the crack, they spend so much money. 10 00:01:05,928 --> 00:01:08,910 BALI MARDANA: They are so foolish. - Just see. 11 00:01:08,911 --> 00:01:12,852 When I was in Hawaii I gave a lecture at one Catholic college, 12 00:01:12,853 --> 00:01:14,926 and the priest in charge, 13 00:01:14,927 --> 00:01:20,303 he was asking me if in our philosophy we believe that animals have a soul. 14 00:01:20,304 --> 00:01:21,799 - He’s so foolish… - Eh? 15 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,064 The Christians are so foolish, even though they have big learned positions, 16 00:01:25,065 --> 00:01:27,486 they do not understand that the animal also has a soul. 17 00:01:27,487 --> 00:01:29,783 - You told, in that meeting? - Yeah. 18 00:01:29,784 --> 00:01:33,522 - And what did they say? - They could not deny. They could not say anything. 19 00:01:33,523 --> 00:01:38,255 Yes, what is the difference that you say the animals… How do you say? 20 00:01:38,256 --> 00:01:41,191 What is the symptoms of possessing soul? 21 00:01:41,192 --> 00:01:45,837 The symptoms of possessing soul is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: 22 00:01:45,838 --> 00:01:47,960 yena sarvam idaṁ tatam [Bg 2.17]. 23 00:01:47,961 --> 00:01:49,215 The consciousness. 24 00:01:49,216 --> 00:01:53,245 The animals have no consciousness? 25 00:01:53,246 --> 00:01:55,929 How foolish they are! 26 00:01:55,930 --> 00:01:59,762 - Just to rationalize their sins. - No. Rational or not rational… 27 00:01:59,763 --> 00:02:02,534 No, to rationalize their meat-eating, they say… 28 00:02:02,535 --> 00:02:11,496 - Yes; to support—yes—their sinful activities. - Yes. 29 00:02:11,497 --> 00:02:14,474 How you can say there is no soul in the animals? 30 00:02:14,475 --> 00:02:15,629 What is the reason? 31 00:02:15,630 --> 00:02:17,951 What is their reason? 32 00:02:17,952 --> 00:02:20,231 SATSVARŪPA: At one interview a person said to you, 33 00:02:20,232 --> 00:02:21,727 “They do not understand metaphysics, 34 00:02:21,728 --> 00:02:24,272 and the human being understands metaphysics.” 35 00:02:24,273 --> 00:02:25,628 Metaphysics. 36 00:02:25,629 --> 00:02:28,114 A child also does not understand. 37 00:02:28,115 --> 00:02:29,828 So therefore he has no soul? 38 00:02:29,829 --> 00:02:31,169 Cut him? 39 00:02:31,170 --> 00:02:33,211 They are doing that. 40 00:02:33,212 --> 00:02:35,702 They are doing that, so rascal. 41 00:02:35,703 --> 00:02:38,598 Do everyone understand metaphysics? 42 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:39,608 KARANDHARA: No. - Eh? 43 00:02:39,609 --> 00:02:42,519 - Should not be killed if they don’t understand. - Eh? 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,279 - They should not be killed just if they don’t understand. - Yes. 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,810 - Is that any reason? DEVOTEE: Actually, they have no philosophical basis for 46 00:02:47,811 --> 00:02:51,206 that belief that the animal has no soul; it’s just a… 47 00:02:51,207 --> 00:02:52,828 - No philosophy. - Speculation; yeah. 48 00:02:52,829 --> 00:02:54,994 Simply rascaldom. 49 00:02:54,995 --> 00:02:59,002 And that is being preached by the priestly class. 50 00:02:59,003 --> 00:03:01,798 Priestly class; just see the society! 51 00:03:01,799 --> 00:03:04,933 What third-class society! [break] 52 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:10,583 - …the soul enters after the birth of the child; eh? - Oh, no… 53 00:03:10,584 --> 00:03:12,502 Is it not? 54 00:03:12,503 --> 00:03:17,384 - Therefore killing or abortion is not bad. - Oh. 55 00:03:17,385 --> 00:03:18,707 - They say that that a… - Huh? 56 00:03:18,708 --> 00:03:23,593 Abortion isn’t bad because the child is not fully formed 57 00:03:23,594 --> 00:03:25,347 and therefore is not really a life. 58 00:03:25,348 --> 00:03:30,034 It’s not really alive. 59 00:03:30,035 --> 00:03:33,776 Just see. 60 00:03:33,777 --> 00:03:36,634 Therefore one man who is sleeping: 61 00:03:36,635 --> 00:03:38,999 He has no soul. 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,885 - No one… They do not believe that generally. - Yes. 63 00:03:41,886 --> 00:03:44,150 - They admit that they are killing. - They admit? 64 00:03:44,151 --> 00:03:49,884 That they are killing the child, but they do not care. 65 00:03:49,885 --> 00:03:54,098 ’Cause they don’t want to take the trouble to raise it. 66 00:03:54,099 --> 00:03:58,828 GURUKṚPĀ: Just like the rabbit. 67 00:03:58,829 --> 00:04:03,357 Rabbit philosophy. 68 00:04:03,358 --> 00:04:07,925 So, therefore, considering from all points of view, 69 00:04:07,926 --> 00:04:12,612 our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the best in the world. 70 00:04:12,613 --> 00:04:15,444 There is no doubt; you must be convinced about it. 71 00:04:15,445 --> 00:04:17,766 Otherwise, how you can preach? 72 00:04:17,767 --> 00:04:22,524 - Now is a very ripe time to push forward our philosophy. - Eh? 73 00:04:22,525 --> 00:04:32,437 - Now it is a very ripe time to push forward our philosophy. - Yes; yes. 74 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:37,744 I was thinking of taking a full…, large advertisements in New York Times, 75 00:04:37,745 --> 00:04:43,144 present our philosophy in a… So people can read; everyone will see it. 76 00:04:43,145 --> 00:04:45,793 Now, a you you… Why don’t you publish that…? 77 00:04:45,794 --> 00:04:49,812 I have suggested that poster. 78 00:04:49,813 --> 00:04:52,390 - For the poster? - Yes. 79 00:04:52,391 --> 00:04:55,425 - I have not seen it. - Take… Take contribution from public… 80 00:04:55,426 --> 00:04:57,982 - Oh yeah. - …for one day’s advertisement. 81 00:04:57,983 --> 00:05:01,487 And advertise this poster in every paper. 82 00:05:01,488 --> 00:05:04,661 - You see… Yes. - I want to do that. 83 00:05:04,662 --> 00:05:06,357 Also I was thinking to have a large scale propaganda 84 00:05:06,358 --> 00:05:12,774 - in all the college newspapers, specifically. - Yes. 85 00:05:12,775 --> 00:05:16,736 - To attract… - The same… One advertisement. 86 00:05:16,737 --> 00:05:18,262 What is it? 87 00:05:18,263 --> 00:05:21,274 - “Real leaders of human society.” - Yes, yes; that… 88 00:05:21,275 --> 00:05:24,599 - You have seen that design I have given? - No, I haven’t seen it. 89 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,346 Oh, it is not yet done? 90 00:05:26,347 --> 00:05:28,226 No, it’s being worked on. 91 00:05:28,227 --> 00:05:31,347 You can give him the rough idea. 92 00:05:31,348 --> 00:05:34,459 That will [be] very nice propaganda, 93 00:05:34,460 --> 00:05:38,775 to select real leaders of the society. 94 00:05:38,776 --> 00:05:42,844 The… We are misled by rascal leaders. 95 00:05:42,845 --> 00:05:45,072 That is the difficulty. 96 00:05:45,073 --> 00:05:48,519 All rascals. 97 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:58,492 If the society is led by real, learned scholars, then it will be nice. 98 00:05:58,493 --> 00:06:00,979 Qualified leaders. 99 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:06,137 That is wanted; leader means better qualified man to lead others. 100 00:06:06,138 --> 00:06:08,686 That is leader. 101 00:06:08,687 --> 00:06:19,388 Leader does not mean he is himself a fool and leading other fools. [break] 102 00:06:19,389 --> 00:06:25,405 …poster could have a coupon for Bhagavad-gītā to find the real solution… 103 00:06:25,406 --> 00:06:27,961 - No, no. - They can purchase? 104 00:06:27,962 --> 00:06:33,028 Bhagavad-gītā there are so many; they’ll purchase another rascal’s Bhagavad-gītā. 105 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:38,711 Simply you make propaganda that what is real leadership. 106 00:06:38,712 --> 00:06:45,485 Then they will inquire and we shall reply. [break] 107 00:06:45,486 --> 00:06:47,690 …so many things. 108 00:06:47,691 --> 00:06:55,067 So, we may not create any disruption amongst our solidarity. 109 00:06:55,068 --> 00:07:08,929 Then things will not make progress. 110 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:15,286 In a big machine, even one screw is slack, the machine stops. 111 00:07:15,287 --> 00:07:16,963 - You know that? - Hmm. 112 00:07:16,964 --> 00:07:21,479 So we should not commit such mistake. 113 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,299 “Don’t care; it is a small screw.” 114 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:30,740 No; even that small screw can stop the whole machine. [break] 115 00:07:30,741 --> 00:07:34,671 …that we are on the platform of deathlessness. 116 00:07:34,672 --> 00:07:39,478 Then we can be careful about falling down. 117 00:07:39,479 --> 00:07:40,953 And this is a fact. 118 00:07:40,954 --> 00:07:42,517 And we will not want to fall down. 119 00:07:42,518 --> 00:07:46,577 Yes; that… That is seriousness. 120 00:07:46,578 --> 00:07:51,298 Suppose you are going on a plane to Vaikuṇṭha. 121 00:07:51,299 --> 00:07:54,914 So your business should be that you may not fall down. 122 00:07:54,915 --> 00:07:57,938 The plane may not stop. 123 00:07:57,939 --> 00:08:03,552 It is like that. [break] 124 00:08:03,553 --> 00:08:07,574 …Bhāgavata, simply this point is being stressed, 125 00:08:07,575 --> 00:08:13,015 - that “This is the platform of deathlessness.” - Oh. 126 00:08:13,016 --> 00:08:22,102 In Bhagavad-gītā. 127 00:08:22,103 --> 00:08:22,104 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com