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MW MAU 1975-10-04 The Modern Misunderstanding
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a
morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on October 4th, 1975,
on the island of Mauritius. [splice]
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PRABHUPĀDA: …own
Christian priests,
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they asked me that “Why Christianity
is dwindling? What we have done?”
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So I told them, “What you
have not done?” [laughter]
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CYAVANA: Yes.
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PRABHUPĀDA: “You have violated from
the very beginning the orders of Christ,
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‘Thou shall not kill,’ and
you are killing, only killing.
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So what you have not done?”
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DEVOTEE 1: They say that man
has to dominate over the animals.
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They should… PRABHUPĀDA:
Therefore you should kill and eat them.
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Very good reasoning.
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“The father should
dominate over children;
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therefore the children should
be killed and eaten up.”
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So rascals, and they are
professing religious leaders.
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Prabhupāda, if
every moment we are killing
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in breathing and walking
and doing so many things,
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and then it says,
“Thou shalt not kill,”
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so then hasn’t God given us an
instruction which is impossible?
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No. Conscientiously
you should not.
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But unconsciously, if you
do, that is excused [break] …
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na punar baddhyate[?]. Āhlādinī-
śakti, it is pleasure potency.
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So pleasure potency
is not painful to Kṛṣṇa.
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But it is painful.
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It is painful to us,
conditioned souls.
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This Golden Moon [name of a bar?],
everyone comes there for pleasure,
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but he is becoming
implicated in sinful activities.
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Therefore it is not pleasure.
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It will give him pain,
so many aftereffects.
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Sex life, even it is not illicit,
still, it is painful, aftereffects.
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You’ll have to take
care of the children.
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You have to bear children.
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That is painful.
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You have to pay to the hospital
for delivery, then education,
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then doctor’s bill—so many painful.
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So this pleasure, sex pleasure, is
followed by so many painful things.
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Tāpa-karī.
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The same pleasure potency is there
in the living being in little quantity,
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and as soon as they utilize
it, it becomes painful.
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And the same pleasure potency in the
spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa’s dancing with gopīs,
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that is not painful.
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That is pleasing [break] …
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man, if he takes nice
foodstuff it is painful.
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If a diseased man, if he takes… He
becomes more sick. More sick.
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Therefore this life is meant for tapasya,
not to accept—voluntarily reject.
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Then it is nice [break]
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: ...ments
today are supporting
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the most outrageous
sinful activities.
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Hm?
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The governments today are
supporting the most outrageous,
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sinful activities.
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So how is it possible to reform
the general mass of people?
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Do you mean to say the
government is perfect?
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No.
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Then? They must be moved.
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Government means,
nowadays, all rascals.
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They are elected by rascals
and they are rascals.
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That is the difficulty.
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Everywhere you go, you
will meet only rascals.
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Manda.
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The definition is given, manda.
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Even in our camp there
are so many rascals.
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Just see the report.
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Even they have come to be
reformed, they are rascals.
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They cannot give up
their rascal habits.
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Therefore it has been
generalized, manda: “all bad.”
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But only difference is that in our
camp the bad’s are being reformed;
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outside there is no reforming.
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There is hope of their being good,
but outside there is no hope.
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That is the difference.
Otherwise everyone is bad.
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Without any discrimination you can say.
Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo [SB 1.1.10].
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Now, how the
government will be good?
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This is also bad.
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Mahāprabhu’s name is Patita-
pāvana; He is delivering all bad men.
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In the Kali-yuga there is no
good men at all—all bad.
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Strong you will have to become
to deal with all bad men [break]
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The seaweeds are there
even in the middle ocean.
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Yes.
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They call it Sargasso.
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The call it the Sargasso Sea.
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It floats in the center of the
ocean, seaweed [break]
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PRABHUPĀDA: …the fort? Just straight
ahead, where the ship is there.
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There are two ships there.
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There. Yes. That’s
where they come in.
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This is not.
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No, the next, where the
white ship is. Very small.
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Not so small.
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They’ve had as many as thirty-five or forty,
not all in the berths but in the harbor.
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They bring everything in from overseas,
and then they take out the sugar cane.
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Oh.
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Generally they come from Europe?
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Everywhere, all over the world.
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They trade with the whole world—
America, Hong Kong, Japan [break]
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PRABHUPĀDA: They
are collecting fish?
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These little clams they eat.
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Inside the shell there’s a
slug they eat, meat [break]
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: …translated
now Caitanya-caritāmṛta.
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Will you also maybe translate
Caitanya-bhāgavata? [break]
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…by, Lord Caitanya’s fame
will spread all over the world.
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Hm? As time goes by, Lord Caitanya’s
fame will spread all over the world.
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Hawaii Island is better
than this island. Huh?
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Is it not?
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HARIKEŚA: It never becomes cold
there. It never becomes cold.
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No.
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Here they suffer from
the cyclone every year.
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And every fifteen
years it is treacherous.
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Cyclone, typhoon is
there in Japan also.
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Yes.
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Only thing, here there
is Indian culture.
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PRABHUPĀDA:
What Indian culture?
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They are killing cows [laughter]
What is Indian culture?
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Remnants.
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Nothing.
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Their Indian culture is that some of
them speak Hindi, that’s all [laughter]
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This is their Ind…
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: [break] …last night
that they’re starting a foundation,
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Mahatma Gandhi
Foundation, here,
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to teach Indian culture, and he said, “Not
just the Bhagavad-gītā, but Indian culture.”
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You mentioned that we should take Indian
culture directly from Bhagavad-gītā,
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not from here, not little from here,
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and little from there [break]
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You give the example,
Prabhupāda, that
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to fight with a declared
enemy is very easy,
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but to fight with someone who is playing
as a friend, although he is your enemy,
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is more difficult.
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