0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,301 MW MAU 1975-10-04 The Modern Misunderstanding 1 00:00:03,302 --> 00:00:05,881 ANNOUNCER: Next is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:05,882 --> 00:00:11,341 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:11,342 --> 00:00:20,601 recorded on October 4th, 1975, on the island of Mauritius. [splice] 4 00:00:20,602 --> 00:00:22,871 PRABHUPĀDA: …own Christian priests, 5 00:00:22,872 --> 00:00:29,111 they asked me that “Why Christianity is dwindling? What we have done?” 6 00:00:29,112 --> 00:00:34,051 So I told them, “What you have not done?” [laughter] 7 00:00:34,052 --> 00:00:42,981 CYAVANA: Yes. 8 00:00:42,982 --> 00:00:48,851 PRABHUPĀDA: “You have violated from the very beginning the orders of Christ, 9 00:00:48,852 --> 00:00:51,841 ‘Thou shall not kill,’ and you are killing, only killing. 10 00:00:51,842 --> 00:01:04,931 So what you have not done?” 11 00:01:04,932 --> 00:01:09,372 DEVOTEE 1: They say that man has to dominate over the animals. 12 00:01:09,373 --> 00:01:14,132 They should… PRABHUPĀDA: Therefore you should kill and eat them. 13 00:01:14,133 --> 00:01:18,982 Very good reasoning. 14 00:01:18,983 --> 00:01:21,412 “The father should dominate over children; 15 00:01:21,413 --> 00:01:30,922 therefore the children should be killed and eaten up.” 16 00:01:30,923 --> 00:01:46,692 So rascals, and they are professing religious leaders. 17 00:01:46,693 --> 00:01:49,672 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Prabhupāda, if every moment we are killing 18 00:01:49,673 --> 00:01:53,102 in breathing and walking and doing so many things, 19 00:01:53,103 --> 00:01:56,122 and then it says, “Thou shalt not kill,” 20 00:01:56,123 --> 00:02:01,652 so then hasn’t God given us an instruction which is impossible? 21 00:02:01,653 --> 00:02:07,182 No. Conscientiously you should not. 22 00:02:07,183 --> 00:02:31,702 But unconsciously, if you do, that is excused [break] … 23 00:02:31,703 --> 00:02:42,192 na punar baddhyate[?]. Āhlādinī- śakti, it is pleasure potency. 24 00:02:42,193 --> 00:02:52,772 So pleasure potency is not painful to Kṛṣṇa. 25 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:57,982 But it is painful. 26 00:02:57,983 --> 00:03:08,682 It is painful to us, conditioned souls. 27 00:03:08,683 --> 00:03:14,802 This Golden Moon [name of a bar?], everyone comes there for pleasure, 28 00:03:14,803 --> 00:03:21,162 but he is becoming implicated in sinful activities. 29 00:03:21,163 --> 00:03:23,263 Therefore it is not pleasure. 30 00:03:23,264 --> 00:03:34,243 It will give him pain, so many aftereffects. 31 00:03:34,244 --> 00:03:44,563 Sex life, even it is not illicit, still, it is painful, aftereffects. 32 00:03:44,564 --> 00:03:47,840 You’ll have to take care of the children. 33 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:50,750 You have to bear children. 34 00:03:50,751 --> 00:03:52,040 That is painful. 35 00:03:52,041 --> 00:03:58,340 You have to pay to the hospital for delivery, then education, 36 00:03:58,341 --> 00:04:02,790 then doctor’s bill—so many painful. 37 00:04:02,791 --> 00:04:15,020 So this pleasure, sex pleasure, is followed by so many painful things. 38 00:04:15,021 --> 00:04:18,830 Tāpa-karī. 39 00:04:18,831 --> 00:04:29,740 The same pleasure potency is there in the living being in little quantity, 40 00:04:29,741 --> 00:04:43,560 and as soon as they utilize it, it becomes painful. 41 00:04:43,561 --> 00:04:52,960 And the same pleasure potency in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa’s dancing with gopīs, 42 00:04:52,961 --> 00:04:54,900 that is not painful. 43 00:04:54,901 --> 00:05:19,160 That is pleasing [break] … 44 00:05:19,161 --> 00:05:28,751 man, if he takes nice foodstuff it is painful. 45 00:05:28,752 --> 00:05:37,701 If a diseased man, if he takes… He becomes more sick. More sick. 46 00:05:37,702 --> 00:05:48,001 Therefore this life is meant for tapasya, not to accept—voluntarily reject. 47 00:05:48,002 --> 00:06:01,862 Then it is nice [break] 48 00:06:01,863 --> 00:06:02,972 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: ...ments today are supporting 49 00:06:02,973 --> 00:06:05,172 the most outrageous sinful activities. 50 00:06:05,173 --> 00:06:07,373 Hm? 51 00:06:07,374 --> 00:06:10,193 The governments today are supporting the most outrageous, 52 00:06:10,194 --> 00:06:11,733 sinful activities. 53 00:06:11,734 --> 00:06:22,753 So how is it possible to reform the general mass of people? 54 00:06:22,754 --> 00:06:26,053 Do you mean to say the government is perfect? 55 00:06:26,054 --> 00:06:26,803 No. 56 00:06:26,804 --> 00:06:31,973 Then? They must be moved. 57 00:06:31,974 --> 00:06:39,323 Government means, nowadays, all rascals. 58 00:06:39,324 --> 00:06:56,913 They are elected by rascals and they are rascals. 59 00:06:56,914 --> 00:06:58,853 That is the difficulty. 60 00:06:58,854 --> 00:07:02,393 Everywhere you go, you will meet only rascals. 61 00:07:02,394 --> 00:07:04,733 Manda. 62 00:07:04,734 --> 00:07:06,734 The definition is given, manda. 63 00:07:06,735 --> 00:07:10,554 Even in our camp there are so many rascals. 64 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:13,604 Just see the report. 65 00:07:13,605 --> 00:07:20,924 Even they have come to be reformed, they are rascals. 66 00:07:20,925 --> 00:07:25,934 They cannot give up their rascal habits. 67 00:07:25,935 --> 00:07:32,004 Therefore it has been generalized, manda: “all bad.” 68 00:07:32,005 --> 00:07:39,704 But only difference is that in our camp the bad’s are being reformed; 69 00:07:39,705 --> 00:07:43,834 outside there is no reforming. 70 00:07:43,835 --> 00:07:50,224 There is hope of their being good, but outside there is no hope. 71 00:07:50,225 --> 00:07:57,364 That is the difference. Otherwise everyone is bad. 72 00:07:57,365 --> 00:08:05,374 Without any discrimination you can say. Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo [SB 1.1.10]. 73 00:08:05,375 --> 00:08:08,944 Now, how the government will be good? 74 00:08:08,945 --> 00:08:25,944 This is also bad. 75 00:08:25,945 --> 00:08:33,274 Mahāprabhu’s name is Patita- pāvana; He is delivering all bad men. 76 00:08:33,275 --> 00:08:55,454 In the Kali-yuga there is no good men at all—all bad. 77 00:08:55,455 --> 00:09:10,994 Strong you will have to become to deal with all bad men [break] 78 00:09:10,995 --> 00:09:14,174 The seaweeds are there even in the middle ocean. 79 00:09:14,175 --> 00:09:16,944 Yes. 80 00:09:16,945 --> 00:09:19,315 They call it Sargasso. 81 00:09:19,316 --> 00:09:20,685 The call it the Sargasso Sea. 82 00:09:20,686 --> 00:09:56,835 It floats in the center of the ocean, seaweed [break] 83 00:09:56,836 --> 00:10:00,675 PRABHUPĀDA: …the fort? Just straight ahead, where the ship is there. 84 00:10:00,676 --> 00:10:04,025 There are two ships there. 85 00:10:04,026 --> 00:10:06,395 There. Yes. That’s where they come in. 86 00:10:06,396 --> 00:10:08,275 This is not. 87 00:10:08,276 --> 00:10:13,295 No, the next, where the white ship is. Very small. 88 00:10:13,296 --> 00:10:19,615 Not so small. 89 00:10:19,616 --> 00:10:39,435 They’ve had as many as thirty-five or forty, not all in the berths but in the harbor. 90 00:10:39,436 --> 00:10:43,865 They bring everything in from overseas, and then they take out the sugar cane. 91 00:10:43,866 --> 00:10:50,865 Oh. 92 00:10:50,866 --> 00:10:53,225 Generally they come from Europe? 93 00:10:53,226 --> 00:10:55,305 Everywhere, all over the world. 94 00:10:55,306 --> 00:11:20,047 They trade with the whole world— America, Hong Kong, Japan [break] 95 00:11:20,048 --> 00:11:23,147 PRABHUPĀDA: They are collecting fish? 96 00:11:23,148 --> 00:11:26,938 These little clams they eat. 97 00:11:26,939 --> 00:11:43,378 Inside the shell there’s a slug they eat, meat [break] 98 00:11:43,379 --> 00:11:46,148 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: …translated now Caitanya-caritāmṛta. 99 00:11:46,149 --> 00:12:15,008 Will you also maybe translate Caitanya-bhāgavata? [break] 100 00:12:15,009 --> 00:12:18,018 …by, Lord Caitanya’s fame will spread all over the world. 101 00:12:18,019 --> 00:12:27,608 Hm? As time goes by, Lord Caitanya’s fame will spread all over the world. 102 00:12:27,609 --> 00:12:32,608 Hawaii Island is better than this island. Huh? 103 00:12:32,609 --> 00:12:54,588 Is it not? 104 00:12:54,589 --> 00:12:58,908 HARIKEŚA: It never becomes cold there. It never becomes cold. 105 00:12:58,909 --> 00:13:00,528 No. 106 00:13:00,529 --> 00:13:05,078 Here they suffer from the cyclone every year. 107 00:13:05,079 --> 00:13:17,728 And every fifteen years it is treacherous. 108 00:13:17,729 --> 00:13:20,758 Cyclone, typhoon is there in Japan also. 109 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:23,358 Yes. 110 00:13:23,359 --> 00:13:26,898 Only thing, here there is Indian culture. 111 00:13:26,899 --> 00:13:28,088 PRABHUPĀDA: What Indian culture? 112 00:13:28,089 --> 00:13:33,928 They are killing cows [laughter] What is Indian culture? 113 00:13:33,929 --> 00:13:36,038 Remnants. 114 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:46,278 Nothing. 115 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:51,139 Their Indian culture is that some of them speak Hindi, that’s all [laughter] 116 00:13:51,140 --> 00:14:15,949 This is their Ind… 117 00:14:15,950 --> 00:14:20,319 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: [break] …last night that they’re starting a foundation, 118 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,399 Mahatma Gandhi Foundation, here, 119 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:29,049 to teach Indian culture, and he said, “Not just the Bhagavad-gītā, but Indian culture.” 120 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:35,859 You mentioned that we should take Indian culture directly from Bhagavad-gītā, 121 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:37,279 not from here, not little from here, 122 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:51,989 and little from there [break] 123 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:54,369 You give the example, Prabhupāda, that 124 00:14:54,370 --> 00:14:59,079 to fight with a declared enemy is very easy, 125 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,719 but to fight with someone who is playing as a friend, although he is your enemy, 126 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:12,877 is more difficult. 127 00:15:12,878 --> 00:15:12,879 Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com