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MW MAY 1976-02-10 Ten-Handed Krishna
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 10th of February,
1976, in Māyāpura, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …ten direction.
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Eight direction, corner, and northeast,
east-west, and up and down.
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So everywhere He is present.
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So Kṛṣṇa has got ten hands.
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So my father used to say,
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“When Kṛṣṇa takes your money
or possession in ten hands,
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how you can protect it with two hands?
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And when He give you in ten hands,
how much you can take in two hands?”
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[laughs] So in my case it has become practical.
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Everything He has taken in ten hands,
and now He is giving in ten hands.
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[laughter] I am practically experiencing.
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My Guru Mahārāja ordered me, “You do this.”
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I was trying to save my business, my family,
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with two hands, and Kṛṣṇa took it in ten hands.
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And now, after making me beggar,
He is giving me, ten hands:
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“You take as much as you like.”
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Now I am thinking of my father’s instruction. [break]
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…ambition was that I become a great de… bhāgavata.
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That was his… He used to
invite so many saintly persons,
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and he would pray, “Please bless my son”—
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I was very pet son—”that he may
become a devotee of Rādhārāṇī.
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Rādhārāṇī may bless him.”
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That was his only prayer.
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Fulfilled.
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Yes.
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He was inviting so many saintly persons.
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That is the old system, to receive saintly person.
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HṚDAYĀNANDA: Śrīla Prabhupāda,
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you said that you were not so much impressed
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by the saintly persons that were coming.
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Yes.
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Why was that?
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Not that… Not all of them were real Vaiṣṇava.
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That was my discrimination
from the beginning of my life.
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I never liked these bogus swamis and yogis.
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I never liked.
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But my father had no discrimination.
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“Never mind whatever he is.
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He is a saintly person.
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Receive him.”
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He was giving fortnightly… There was
one Māyāvādī sannyāsī in Kālīghāṭa.
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So first of all the father was sannyāsī.
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Then his son was sannyāsī.
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So we had very good relationship with him.
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I also used to… Because father was going…
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So he would carry gāñjā for him—in
those days gāñjā was very cheap—
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so much gāñjā and so much butter.
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Whenever he would visit, he’d give
some red cloth, gāñjā, and butter.
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Your father would give him gāñjā?
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That, to sannyāsī.
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Why?
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Well, he was smoking gāñjā.
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But why did he supply him?
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He did not discriminate that this is bad.
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He smokes, and he had some regard for him.
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“All right, take gāñjā.
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[laughter]
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So is… Kṛṣṇa is also like that if we…
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Yeah.
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He was offering him something, “Whatever he likes.”
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That was his theory.
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Friendly.
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Yes.
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“It doesn’t matter.”
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He did not know the gāñjā smoking was bad for sādhu.
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That is impression in India.
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We criticize, but in India, in every
sādhu samāj they smoke gāñjā.
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Still?
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Oh, yes.
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Not high class.
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These bogus swamis and yogis.
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They…
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Yeah. That Mr. Das, the lawyer who came here?
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I used to visit him, and he had one sādhu
who used to come who was his guru,
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and he would also smoke gāñjā.
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Yes. Gāñjā smoking is not taken as bad
in India, by the sādhus, not ordinary men.
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Right.
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He told me, Mr. Das, that it
increased his meditation and ecstasy.
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Whatever it may be, gāñjā smoking by the sādhus,
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sannyāsīs, is not taken very bad serious.
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The hippies learned from them.
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Allen Ginsberg introduced… “Yes.
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Gāñjā smoking is very good by the saintly person.”
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I think your Guru Mahārāja spoke
strongly against such persons.
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Oh, yes.
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And from him we learned that intoxication,
any kind of intoxication, is bad.
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Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura also was…
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He was also not very serious,
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but Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura was
very serious, and we learned from him.
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No, it is śāstrīya.
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No intoxication is good.
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How is it that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura
was not so strict in that regard,
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yet his son, who learned from
him, became very strict, like a rod?
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[chuckles] Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī
Ṭhākura was so strict [laughs]
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because he married twice, he used to say, strī-saṅgī,
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attached to woman,” even his father. [laughter]
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He was very strict.
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Sometimes when he would be
angry, he’d, “He’s strī-saṅgī.
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And don’t discuss this thing. [laughs]
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He was very strict.
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No excuse, no compromise.
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That’s where you got all of that from.
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My is imitation, but his was real. [laughs]
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All these Navadvīpa people were afraid of him. Afraid.
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Strong-hearted. They made a, what
is called, conspiracy to kill him.
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Who did this?
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Oh, the Navadvīpa gosvāmīs.
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They raised 25,000 rupees and
wanted to bribe this police officer
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that “You take this money. We shall finish him.
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Don’t take any action.”
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But the policeman said?
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Refused.
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“Yes, we take bribe, but not in such cases.”
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Why?
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“He’s a saintly person. We cannot agree to that.”
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Everyone knows police takes bribe.
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They admit, “Yes, we take bribe, but not in such cases.”
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This was told by Guru Mahārāja, Bhaktisi…, to me.
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He was talking many things confidential.
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Prabhupāda, what is that story
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that one time Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī was invited to…
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He wanted to get invitation or he was invited to speak
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and they put so many conditions on his speaking.
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It was some place.
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Yes.
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Said, “Now you cannot speak on such
and such subject.” He agreed, “All right.”
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I think there was a Vaiṣṇava meeting
inaugurated by Mahārāja Maṇīndrānandī.
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You are referring to that. [break]
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When I was visiting, I used to sit on his couch.
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Yes, like…
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Guru Mahārāja was sitting on the couch,
so I took him as ordinary gentleman.
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So then nobody asked me that,
that “You are sitting? Get down.”
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No. Nobody asked me.
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Then I was seeing that all other big,
big disciples, they are sitting down.
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So then I began to sit down.
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Neither Guru Mahārāja told
me, neither anybody told me.
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What kind of a… It was a regular couch…
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Yes. …or a cauki? Yes.
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Not cauki, couch.
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That padded couch, bench.
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Sofa.
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Sofa, sofa, yes.
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Oh, boy.
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You were a young man at that time.
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Yes.
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But no one said anything.
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Not very young.
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It was in 19… Yes.
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1923?
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No.
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’23, of course, when I first met him,
he was sitting ground. I was also.
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At Mathurā there was party, parikrama party, in 1933.
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So I went to see that party, what they are doing,
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Gauḍīya Maṭha, out of inquisitiveness.
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It was at that time.
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Hm hm.
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You mentioned once that the
most of the parikrama devotees,
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they wanted to go on parikrama but he was speaking?
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Yes.
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So I did not go to parikrama,
so he very much appreciated.
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There was announcement that “Now
parikrama will start in the evening at five,
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and Prabhupāda also will speak.
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So anyone who wants to hear Prabhupāda, he can stay.
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Others be ready for going.”
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So about a dozen men remained,
and all went to parikrama.
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So I was at that time new man—not exactly
new man, but not recognized disciple.
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I did not go.
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So he saw that I am sitting, I did not go to parikrama.
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He very much appreciated.
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I preferred to hear him than go to parikrama.
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That he appreciated.
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HARI−ŚAURI: That was the same
time that you took initiation?
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Yes. After that, I took initiation.
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Where was the initiation ceremony?
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That Allahabad. In Allahabad.
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1933.
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So from Mathurā everyone went to Allahabad?
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Yes, or they went to somewhere.
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But I came back.
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From Allahabad I went to Mathurā, and I
came back to Allahabad at my own place.
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Initiation was held at that Gauḍīya Maṭha in Allahabad?
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Hah.
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At that time that Gauḍīya Maṭha also not there.
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That is a… a rented house.
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Did you help to build that one?
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Eh?
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Did you help to establish that Gauḍīya Maṭha?
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No, majority was paid by one of my Godbrothers,
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that three thousand, purchasing land.
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Then gradually developed.
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We used to pay something
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