0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,214 MW MAY 1976-02-10 Ten-Handed Krishna 1 00:00:15,215 --> 00:00:18,334 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:18,335 --> 00:00:24,374 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:24,375 --> 00:00:48,784 recorded on the 10th of February, 1976, in Māyāpura, India. 4 00:00:48,785 --> 00:00:53,104 PRABHUPĀDA: …ten direction. 5 00:00:53,105 --> 00:00:59,134 Eight direction, corner, and northeast, east-west, and up and down. 6 00:00:59,135 --> 00:01:02,444 So everywhere He is present. 7 00:01:02,445 --> 00:01:05,224 So Kṛṣṇa has got ten hands. 8 00:01:05,225 --> 00:01:06,784 So my father used to say, 9 00:01:06,785 --> 00:01:11,674 “When Kṛṣṇa takes your money or possession in ten hands, 10 00:01:11,675 --> 00:01:14,974 how you can protect it with two hands? 11 00:01:14,975 --> 00:01:25,084 And when He give you in ten hands, how much you can take in two hands?” 12 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:29,874 [laughs] So in my case it has become practical. 13 00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:35,765 Everything He has taken in ten hands, and now He is giving in ten hands. 14 00:01:35,766 --> 00:01:41,555 [laughter] I am practically experiencing. 15 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:44,225 My Guru Mahārāja ordered me, “You do this.” 16 00:01:44,226 --> 00:01:48,085 I was trying to save my business, my family, 17 00:01:48,086 --> 00:01:53,135 with two hands, and Kṛṣṇa took it in ten hands. 18 00:01:53,136 --> 00:01:58,665 And now, after making me beggar, He is giving me, ten hands: 19 00:01:58,666 --> 00:02:03,135 “You take as much as you like.” 20 00:02:03,136 --> 00:02:08,165 Now I am thinking of my father’s instruction. [break] 21 00:02:08,166 --> 00:02:14,015 …ambition was that I become a great de… bhāgavata. 22 00:02:14,016 --> 00:02:19,075 That was his… He used to invite so many saintly persons, 23 00:02:19,076 --> 00:02:22,955 and he would pray, “Please bless my son”— 24 00:02:22,956 --> 00:02:29,345 I was very pet son—”that he may become a devotee of Rādhārāṇī. 25 00:02:29,346 --> 00:02:32,375 Rādhārāṇī may bless him.” 26 00:02:32,376 --> 00:02:34,675 That was his only prayer. 27 00:02:34,676 --> 00:02:36,605 TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Fulfilled. 28 00:02:36,606 --> 00:02:39,205 Yes. 29 00:02:39,206 --> 00:02:43,835 He was inviting so many saintly persons. 30 00:02:43,836 --> 00:02:50,905 That is the old system, to receive saintly person. 31 00:02:50,906 --> 00:02:52,255 HṚDAYĀNANDA: Śrīla Prabhupāda, 32 00:02:52,256 --> 00:02:54,516 you said that you were not so much impressed 33 00:02:54,517 --> 00:02:57,136 by the saintly persons that were coming. 34 00:02:57,137 --> 00:02:58,456 Yes. 35 00:02:58,457 --> 00:02:58,846 Why was that? 36 00:02:58,847 --> 00:03:04,866 Not that… Not all of them were real Vaiṣṇava. 37 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:11,636 That was my discrimination from the beginning of my life. 38 00:03:11,637 --> 00:03:16,126 I never liked these bogus swamis and yogis. 39 00:03:16,127 --> 00:03:20,236 I never liked. 40 00:03:20,237 --> 00:03:23,416 But my father had no discrimination. 41 00:03:23,417 --> 00:03:26,406 “Never mind whatever he is. 42 00:03:26,407 --> 00:03:28,186 He is a saintly person. 43 00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:31,846 Receive him.” 44 00:03:31,847 --> 00:03:41,486 He was giving fortnightly… There was one Māyāvādī sannyāsī in Kālīghāṭa. 45 00:03:41,487 --> 00:03:47,046 So first of all the father was sannyāsī. 46 00:03:47,047 --> 00:03:50,796 Then his son was sannyāsī. 47 00:03:50,797 --> 00:03:54,136 So we had very good relationship with him. 48 00:03:54,137 --> 00:03:56,906 I also used to… Because father was going… 49 00:03:56,907 --> 00:04:03,336 So he would carry gāñjā for him—in those days gāñjā was very cheap— 50 00:04:03,337 --> 00:04:07,836 so much gāñjā and so much butter. 51 00:04:07,837 --> 00:04:14,826 Whenever he would visit, he’d give some red cloth, gāñjā, and butter. 52 00:04:14,827 --> 00:04:16,696 Your father would give him gāñjā? 53 00:04:16,697 --> 00:04:18,946 That, to sannyāsī. 54 00:04:18,947 --> 00:04:20,017 Why? 55 00:04:20,018 --> 00:04:22,447 Well, he was smoking gāñjā. 56 00:04:22,448 --> 00:04:24,407 But why did he supply him? 57 00:04:24,408 --> 00:04:27,227 He did not discriminate that this is bad. 58 00:04:27,228 --> 00:04:31,437 He smokes, and he had some regard for him. 59 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:32,737 “All right, take gāñjā. 60 00:04:32,738 --> 00:04:35,617 [laughter] 61 00:04:35,618 --> 00:04:38,157 So is… Kṛṣṇa is also like that if we… 62 00:04:38,158 --> 00:04:39,717 Yeah. 63 00:04:39,718 --> 00:04:44,057 He was offering him something, “Whatever he likes.” 64 00:04:44,058 --> 00:04:45,507 That was his theory. 65 00:04:45,508 --> 00:04:46,287 Friendly. 66 00:04:46,288 --> 00:04:47,657 Yes. 67 00:04:47,658 --> 00:04:49,057 “It doesn’t matter.” 68 00:04:49,058 --> 00:04:52,767 He did not know the gāñjā smoking was bad for sādhu. 69 00:04:52,768 --> 00:04:55,797 That is impression in India. 70 00:04:55,798 --> 00:05:04,357 We criticize, but in India, in every sādhu samāj they smoke gāñjā. 71 00:05:04,358 --> 00:05:05,407 Still? 72 00:05:05,408 --> 00:05:07,407 Oh, yes. 73 00:05:07,408 --> 00:05:09,317 Not high class. 74 00:05:09,318 --> 00:05:11,627 These bogus swamis and yogis. 75 00:05:11,628 --> 00:05:12,698 They… 76 00:05:12,699 --> 00:05:17,718 Yeah. That Mr. Das, the lawyer who came here? 77 00:05:17,719 --> 00:05:23,328 I used to visit him, and he had one sādhu who used to come who was his guru, 78 00:05:23,329 --> 00:05:25,078 and he would also smoke gāñjā. 79 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:32,868 Yes. Gāñjā smoking is not taken as bad in India, by the sādhus, not ordinary men. 80 00:05:32,869 --> 00:05:34,868 Right. 81 00:05:34,869 --> 00:05:40,178 He told me, Mr. Das, that it increased his meditation and ecstasy. 82 00:05:40,179 --> 00:05:46,228 Whatever it may be, gāñjā smoking by the sādhus, 83 00:05:46,229 --> 00:05:53,758 sannyāsīs, is not taken very bad serious. 84 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:58,248 The hippies learned from them. 85 00:05:58,249 --> 00:06:03,118 Allen Ginsberg introduced… “Yes. 86 00:06:03,119 --> 00:06:15,568 Gāñjā smoking is very good by the saintly person.” 87 00:06:15,569 --> 00:06:19,558 I think your Guru Mahārāja spoke strongly against such persons. 88 00:06:19,559 --> 00:06:21,448 Oh, yes. 89 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:28,298 And from him we learned that intoxication, any kind of intoxication, is bad. 90 00:06:28,299 --> 00:06:30,458 Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura also was… 91 00:06:30,459 --> 00:06:33,188 He was also not very serious, 92 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:43,128 but Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura was very serious, and we learned from him. 93 00:06:43,129 --> 00:06:46,199 No, it is śāstrīya. 94 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,969 No intoxication is good. 95 00:06:48,970 --> 00:06:54,879 How is it that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was not so strict in that regard, 96 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,029 yet his son, who learned from him, became very strict, like a rod? 97 00:06:59,030 --> 00:07:07,579 [chuckles] Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura was so strict [laughs] 98 00:07:07,580 --> 00:07:13,669 because he married twice, he used to say, strī-saṅgī, 99 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:19,836 attached to woman,” even his father. [laughter] 100 00:07:19,837 --> 00:07:24,229 He was very strict. 101 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:32,659 Sometimes when he would be angry, he’d, “He’s strī-saṅgī. 102 00:07:32,660 --> 00:07:36,239 And don’t discuss this thing. [laughs] 103 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,029 He was very strict. 104 00:07:38,030 --> 00:07:41,479 No excuse, no compromise. 105 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,679 That’s where you got all of that from. 106 00:07:45,680 --> 00:08:02,029 My is imitation, but his was real. [laughs] 107 00:08:02,030 --> 00:08:09,289 All these Navadvīpa people were afraid of him. Afraid. 108 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:15,679 Strong-hearted. They made a, what is called, conspiracy to kill him. 109 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,769 Who did this? 110 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:21,169 Oh, the Navadvīpa gosvāmīs. 111 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:30,149 They raised 25,000 rupees and wanted to bribe this police officer 112 00:08:30,150 --> 00:08:33,429 that “You take this money. We shall finish him. 113 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:36,629 Don’t take any action.” 114 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:38,530 But the policeman said? 115 00:08:38,531 --> 00:08:39,500 Refused. 116 00:08:39,501 --> 00:08:43,600 “Yes, we take bribe, but not in such cases.” 117 00:08:43,601 --> 00:08:44,650 Why? 118 00:08:44,651 --> 00:08:52,880 “He’s a saintly person. We cannot agree to that.” 119 00:08:52,881 --> 00:08:55,530 Everyone knows police takes bribe. 120 00:08:55,531 --> 00:09:04,690 They admit, “Yes, we take bribe, but not in such cases.” 121 00:09:04,691 --> 00:09:12,210 This was told by Guru Mahārāja, Bhaktisi…, to me. 122 00:09:12,211 --> 00:09:19,660 He was talking many things confidential. 123 00:09:19,661 --> 00:09:21,270 Prabhupāda, what is that story 124 00:09:21,271 --> 00:09:25,680 that one time Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī was invited to… 125 00:09:25,681 --> 00:09:28,710 He wanted to get invitation or he was invited to speak 126 00:09:28,711 --> 00:09:31,990 and they put so many conditions on his speaking. 127 00:09:31,991 --> 00:09:33,200 It was some place. 128 00:09:33,201 --> 00:09:34,300 Yes. 129 00:09:34,301 --> 00:09:40,880 Said, “Now you cannot speak on such and such subject.” He agreed, “All right.” 130 00:09:40,881 --> 00:09:50,430 I think there was a Vaiṣṇava meeting inaugurated by Mahārāja Maṇīndrānandī. 131 00:09:50,431 --> 00:09:58,080 You are referring to that. [break] 132 00:09:58,081 --> 00:10:06,430 When I was visiting, I used to sit on his couch. 133 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:08,900 Yes, like… 134 00:10:08,901 --> 00:10:15,910 Guru Mahārāja was sitting on the couch, so I took him as ordinary gentleman. 135 00:10:15,911 --> 00:10:22,221 So then nobody asked me that, that “You are sitting? Get down.” 136 00:10:22,222 --> 00:10:24,151 No. Nobody asked me. 137 00:10:24,152 --> 00:10:30,771 Then I was seeing that all other big, big disciples, they are sitting down. 138 00:10:30,772 --> 00:10:33,201 So then I began to sit down. 139 00:10:33,202 --> 00:10:38,891 Neither Guru Mahārāja told me, neither anybody told me. 140 00:10:38,892 --> 00:10:41,801 What kind of a… It was a regular couch… 141 00:10:41,802 --> 00:10:44,742 Yes. …or a cauki? Yes. 142 00:10:44,743 --> 00:10:47,012 Not cauki, couch. 143 00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:50,552 That padded couch, bench. 144 00:10:50,553 --> 00:10:51,713 Sofa. 145 00:10:51,714 --> 00:10:53,783 Sofa, sofa, yes. 146 00:10:53,784 --> 00:10:54,813 Oh, boy. 147 00:10:54,814 --> 00:10:56,623 You were a young man at that time. 148 00:10:56,624 --> 00:10:57,363 Yes. 149 00:10:57,364 --> 00:10:58,593 But no one said anything. 150 00:10:58,594 --> 00:11:01,213 Not very young. 151 00:11:01,214 --> 00:11:05,783 It was in 19… Yes. 152 00:11:05,784 --> 00:11:07,253 1923? 153 00:11:07,254 --> 00:11:09,684 No. 154 00:11:09,685 --> 00:11:18,364 ’23, of course, when I first met him, he was sitting ground. I was also. 155 00:11:18,365 --> 00:11:29,774 At Mathurā there was party, parikrama party, in 1933. 156 00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:35,854 So I went to see that party, what they are doing, 157 00:11:35,855 --> 00:11:43,914 Gauḍīya Maṭha, out of inquisitiveness. 158 00:11:43,915 --> 00:11:44,994 It was at that time. 159 00:11:44,995 --> 00:11:47,184 Hm hm. 160 00:11:47,185 --> 00:11:52,534 You mentioned once that the most of the parikrama devotees, 161 00:11:52,535 --> 00:11:55,104 they wanted to go on parikrama but he was speaking? 162 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:56,244 Yes. 163 00:11:56,245 --> 00:12:02,214 So I did not go to parikrama, so he very much appreciated. 164 00:12:02,215 --> 00:12:09,544 There was announcement that “Now parikrama will start in the evening at five, 165 00:12:09,545 --> 00:12:12,214 and Prabhupāda also will speak. 166 00:12:12,215 --> 00:12:16,744 So anyone who wants to hear Prabhupāda, he can stay. 167 00:12:16,745 --> 00:12:19,214 Others be ready for going.” 168 00:12:19,215 --> 00:12:28,084 So about a dozen men remained, and all went to parikrama. 169 00:12:28,085 --> 00:12:38,394 So I was at that time new man—not exactly new man, but not recognized disciple. 170 00:12:38,395 --> 00:12:42,174 I did not go. 171 00:12:42,175 --> 00:12:47,695 So he saw that I am sitting, I did not go to parikrama. 172 00:12:47,696 --> 00:12:52,205 He very much appreciated. 173 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:57,475 I preferred to hear him than go to parikrama. 174 00:12:57,476 --> 00:13:04,305 That he appreciated. 175 00:13:04,306 --> 00:13:07,105 HARI−ŚAURI: That was the same time that you took initiation? 176 00:13:07,106 --> 00:13:11,435 Yes. After that, I took initiation. 177 00:13:11,436 --> 00:13:13,685 Where was the initiation ceremony? 178 00:13:13,686 --> 00:13:18,135 That Allahabad. In Allahabad. 179 00:13:18,136 --> 00:13:20,285 1933. 180 00:13:20,286 --> 00:13:23,515 So from Mathurā everyone went to Allahabad? 181 00:13:23,516 --> 00:13:30,395 Yes, or they went to somewhere. 182 00:13:30,396 --> 00:13:31,895 But I came back. 183 00:13:31,896 --> 00:13:39,465 From Allahabad I went to Mathurā, and I came back to Allahabad at my own place. 184 00:13:39,466 --> 00:13:42,195 Initiation was held at that Gauḍīya Maṭha in Allahabad? 185 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:44,045 Hah. 186 00:13:44,046 --> 00:13:48,235 At that time that Gauḍīya Maṭha also not there. 187 00:13:48,236 --> 00:13:53,346 That is a… a rented house. 188 00:13:53,347 --> 00:13:55,296 Did you help to build that one? 189 00:13:55,297 --> 00:13:55,686 Eh? 190 00:13:55,687 --> 00:13:58,766 Did you help to establish that Gauḍīya Maṭha? 191 00:13:58,767 --> 00:14:03,946 No, majority was paid by one of my Godbrothers, 192 00:14:03,947 --> 00:14:09,996 that three thousand, purchasing land. 193 00:14:09,997 --> 00:14:11,736 Then gradually developed. 194 00:14:11,737 --> 00:14:20,606 We used to pay something 195 00:14:20,607 --> 00:14:20,608 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com