MW MAY 1976-03-16 What Is Next
ANNOUNCER: Next is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on March 16th, 1976, in Māyāpura, India.
PRABHUPĀDA: …countries they accept a new leader.
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Yes.
Do they not?
Oh, yes.
So before they became communist, they had some leader or not?
Yes, the Czar in Russia.
Eh?
The Czar was the leader in Russia.
JAYATĪRTHA: And Chiang Kai-shek in China.
So why they changed their leader?
GOPĀLA KṚṢṆA: There was a revolution.
MADHUDVIṢA: People were unsatisfied. Eh?
People were not satisfied with the government.
There was a revolution. No, people were not satisfied…
The principle, what is the principle?
To have better leader.
Is it not?
So if they get still better leader, why they will not change?
They would say it’s not the leader but it’s the system.
Whatever the system is done by some leaders.
Anything… Just like our, this system we have introduced.
I am the leader.
Similarly, a leader is changed for betterment of the situation.
So if the communists and those who have brain,
if they find a better leader for better situation, why they’ll not?
And they want for revolution also.
They are in favor of revolution.
Their theory is that periodically there must be revolution.
That is their theory. I talked with Professor Kotovsky.
So why they will not accept another revolution for further advancement?
One of the main problems I can see is
to divorce our movement from religious concept because…
It is not the question of religious concept.
This is nonsense.
You have to… Just like when Kṛṣṇa says,
Dehino ’smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā [Bg. 2.13].
That is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā.
So does it mean a religion?
Then why these nonsense take it as religion? It is a fact.
How you can neglect the fact?
Eh?
Kaumāraṁ yauvanam jara [Bg. 2.13].
A baby becoming a boy, boy becoming a young man, is it religion?
Either Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Buddha, everyone is becoming like that.
Where is religion?
Why do they take it as religion?
SATSVARŪPA: It’s religion because it’s not empirical fact.
Eh?
It’s not an empirical fact. What is that empirical fact?
That after you die, you take another body.
Apart from that, why, how the baby is becoming a boy?
This is a fact.
How a baby is becoming a child, a child is becoming a boy,
a boy is becoming young man, a young man is becoming middle aged?
Does it mean… Is it a particular type of religious system?
Why this nonsense?
What kind of intelligent person they are?
It is a fact.
Now we come to the old age.
So I have come to old age body after so many stages.
Then where is the next?
The next is Tathā dehāntara [Bg. 2.13]. He’ll get another body.
This is very common sense.
They won’t accept that. Eh?
That is means a rascal.
Why should you not…? You answer, then what is next?
They will say he is finished. No, how it can be finished?
How it can be finished?
If you have come stage by stage by stage… It is finished to your eyes.
Just like the sunshine is there.
“In the evening there will be no more sun; it is finished.”
What is this nonsense?
Is it finished? A rascal may say it is finished.
RŪPĀNUGA: Out of sight, they say it is finished. Yes.
So this thing you have to convince them.
Why should you allow them to remain a rascal?
Now the sun is rising.
Does it mean all of a sudden a sun is created?
So these are the examples. You have to preach like that.
Simply believe your eyes?
You believe also there was no sun; now it is sun.
That means all of a sudden a sun became created.
See the intelligent persons and convince them.
Yad yad ācārati śreṣṭhaḥ [Bg. 3.21].
Pick up the best man.
Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He picked up the best men,
Sanātana Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī.
So His movement became successful.
Sanātana Gosvāmī was not an ordinary man.
Very educated, learned brāhmaṇa and minister, Caitanya Mahāprabhu picked up.
Similarly Rūpa Gosvāmī, similarly Jīva Gosvāmī.
Picked up means by His preaching they became converted.
So similarly pick up a person like Sanātana Gosvāmī, intelligent,
in position, and try to convince him.
Why he will not be convinced, if he’s a human being?
This is not religion.
That I am breathing, what is this breathing?
Eh? What is the breathing?
GURU−KṚPĀ: Air going in and out. Yes.
Now, when the breathing is stopped,
why don’t you manufacture some machine that breathing will come again?
Why you cannot do it?
Everyone knows it is air.
Put some machine within and let there be breathing.
Tell me why you cannot do it?
MAHENDRA: They have some machines like that, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Then you are another rascal. Who is this rascal?
They have some machines. And don’t spoil time like that, “They have got a machine.”
What is that machine?
Machines are not living. And don’t create unnecessary talks.
What is that machine?
They have a machine?
What is that nonsense machine?
Eh? Who knows that machine?
Eh?
It’s called an air respirator.
But can it bring life?
No. Then what is the use of that machine?
What is the use of the machine?
Everyone knows that it is air.
Now air is stopped.
That is my reject. Bring that air again.
There is ample air.
Bring that machine.
Simply… Similarly, if you analyze the whole body, it is confirmed,
you will find these five elements, that ’s all, earth, water, air, fire, sky. That’s all.
TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: That’s scientific. No one denies that.
Yes. They why don’t you create a body?
What is your science?
You’ve just pointed out: the body may already be there,
but they cannot replace the life.
Even a body is already created, like a dead body, but they can’t bring life back into it.
Then what is that life? That is the question.
That life is soul. You have to accept. [break]
…car stop.
Some machine broken.
As soon as the machine is placed, now the motor car is fit for running,
but not for the machine, but for the driver.
When the driver is not there, you cannot create or purchase a driver.
That is not possible.
You can repair the machine, but without driver the machine will not run.
So why they should be blind about this fact?
What is this knowledge, advancement of knowledge?
The body is created. If it is accepted… Body is created by these material elements.
Now create another body.
Just like dollmakers make a body, you also make a body,
very beautiful woman, and give it life.
Why they cannot do it?
But even accepting that the soul is the living force,
they may say that “Well, we’re living in this material world
and we have to deal with matter,
so what is the importance of all this knowledge?”
Hm?
They may say that “We’re living in the material world in spite of this knowledge,
so we have to deal with material circumstances.” But you do not like to die.
Why do you die with your material knowledge?
Nobody wants to die but why you die?
Then where is your material knowledge?
You do not like to be old man.
Where is your material knowledge that you can stop old age?
Then you have to accept that your material knowledge is not perfect.
Why you are so much proud of this false knowledge?
Unnecessarily.
But we don’t see that you are able to stop death.
Eh?
We agree that it would be nice to stop death, but where is… Yes.
Yes, we know. You learn from us. We know.
Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. This is the process.
BHAVANANDA: But we haven’t seen that anyone in your movement…
Again “seeing,” condemned seeing.
Your seeing is like that, that “The sun has come all of a sudden.”
That is your seeing.
“And when the sun is not there, the sun dead.” That is your seeing.
This is rascal seeing, animal seeing.
Then you want us to have faith.
No faith. It is knowledge.
If I can’t see, then it means faith. No, you can’t see. You are rascal; how you will see?
Just like an astrologer can say it is going to happen.
You cannot see, but he can see.
That means I have to have faith, though.
It is not faith. It is fact.
If I say that “At 6:30 in the evening there will be no sun,” it is not faith; it is fact.
Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com