MW NEL 1976-01-04 Caitanya Mahaprabhu Left the --etc
ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 4th of January, 1976, in Nellore, India.
INDIAN MAN: that Jyoti Swami showed me that incident at Japan[?], and he asked me,
“Have you seen…?” Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
Makṣikā bhramarā icchanti…[?] Maksikā, these ordinary flies,
they find out where is sore, and the bhramarā, he finds out where is honey.
Similarly, doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
And the Bhaktivedanta Swami is doing preaching all over the world—
that has not come to his eyes.
He has come to the Japanese incident. He has come.
Yes, I told him there might be some, in a big organization, such a…
No, why did you not say, “You are such a pamara
that this thing has come to your notice and not other thing?” That I told him.
For that he began to say, “No, no, you read my literature. You’ll be….
We don’t have any envy.”
I took that also with me, and he gave me….
Next time, when I went, after reading, I said, “How many mistakes are there?
Not even a single dot is mistake in other literature, and still you say this literature?
And what is new therein? Nothing new.”
Just try to understand that whatever it may be,
what is the mentality of these rascals,
that “The good things do not come to your notice.”
If something is bad, “Oh, here is…” You see.
Pāmarāḥ doṣam icchanti guṇam icchanti paṇḍitāḥ [?].
Saj-janā guṇam icchanti doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ [?].
That means they are not even a Vaiṣṇava. You see?
Vaiṣṇava means paramo nirmatsarāṇām.
Even one has got some fault, a Vaiṣṇava does not see that.
He takes the good qualities.
But they are not even Vaiṣṇava. Yes.
Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
The mission of Gau…,
Caitanya Mahāprabhu, is being preaching all over the….
That does not come to their….
Some Japanese paper has written something—it has come immediately.
Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. That fool, that he’s a….
Here is a pāmara, and he’s a lowest of the mankind.
You can say that “Why this thing has come prominent to your eyes
and not the other thing?”
No, I did say in my own way,
though I did not quote this, that “You are a pāmara. I said, “Why…”
Yes, you can say now,
that “That day I forgot to say that you are a pāmara.
So I have come to say that you are a pāmara. [laughter]
“I forgot it. Excuse me, I forgot it.
So you are pāmara.
And it is so. As a matter of fact, it is so.
And for that, the apology is, “No, no,
I do realize that lot of work is being done about that.”
“But because I am pāmara, I am finding out this fault.”
But you have now completed the sentence.
“You know lot of things, but because you are pāmara,
therefore this thing has come prominent.”
That is the proviso.
Yes.
That is the proof that you are a pāmara.
In my own way, if they challenge us and they are convincing,
because to the audience it has to be said.
One gosvāmī, when I said, “Well, this is a movement which I very much like,
and like also to join,” then he said that—
because I am conducting Gītā Bhavan[?] founded by him—he said, “No, no, no, no.
We as a matter of fact champion that cause.
But afterwards, when we realized that it is not sampradayic, we have given it up.
Therefore…” Then his conduct….
The next day itself, he was not liking me.
I have been doing this propaganda, this Gītā pravacanam,
for the past four years in the organization founded by him.
But the very next day, that gosvāmī, Puruṣottama Gosvāmī of Vṛndāvana…
YAŚODĀNANDANA: The envious one.
He has got a camp here?
YAŚODĀNANDANA: No, in Madras. When he was here it happened.
And that devotee’s grace….
Then I said, “What is the reason why you say?” “No, no.
After all, we are qualified.
Those mlecchas…” PRABHUPĀDA: Nobody cares for you.
You are so qualified that nobody cares for you.
TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: What did he say?
YAŚODĀNANDANA: What did he say about mlecchas?
Yes, “Why mlecchas, how can they have, after all?”
I said, “You yourself were a married person, and…”
And you did not know that they are not….
If they are mlecchas, then you are nārakī.
It is said, vaiṣṇave jāti- buddhiḥ nārakī [?]. Yes.
Ārcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara- matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī [?].
Anyone who considers in terms of caste a Vaiṣṇava, he’s a nārakī.
Nārakī. Now, just like we go to the temple to see the Deities.
Many millions of people are coming, but everyone knows that this is made of stone.
But they are going to see the stone?
There is God in it. Huh?
They are going to see the stone?
So arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhiḥ [?]. Anyone who thinks like that….
Similarly, everyone knows that he is European,
he is American, but because he is Vaiṣṇava, one should not see like that, mleccha.
If he sees, then he’s nārakī.
It also proves that they have no faith in the holy name,
because the harināma purifies everything.
DHṚṢṬADYUMNA: [aside:] Did that swami show that article to Prabhupāda?
Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubhyām [sic]. Aho bata svapa.
Why do you speak in the middle? You should hear.
Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubham [?], yan-nāma śruti-mātrena pumān bhavati nirmalaḥ [?].
And this rascals says the nāma has no….
See. We have to meet simply rascals all over.
The so-called religionists, so-called swamis, so-called yogis, so-called politicians.
You see? Simply we have to meet with all rascals.
No, he was reminding me
of this Jyoti Mahārāja showing that article on Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day
to the reading out to the entire audience.
That was a rubbish. Oh, read to the whole audience.
He was reading?
Ah, that is what he reminds me,
because I said the incident which I had with him….
On Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day I did not go there.
But on that day it was being read out.
That was the silly part of it.
So what is the wrong there? What was the wrong?
No, he said that “This movement has got these black sheep,
and they have been banned in Japan. Everywhere they will be banned.”
But there is something in Japan which is banned. But what you have got in Japan?
Nothing.
First of all, we are not even banned in Japan.
The center is still there. No, no, that’s all right.
Banned means we had something.
But what proof you have got that you have done something in Japan?
There is something; there is nothing. So it is better.
Just like one man said that “I have lost fifty thousand this year.”
His friend said, “You are still fortunate, because you had fifty thousand.
But I have no fifty paisa even.”
So there is something. Here nothing.
“So you are so fortunate that you could suffer the loss of fifty thousand,
but I have nothing to lose.”
But that is for a discriminating man. Here it is an ignorance, asuya, envy.
When Acyutānanda Swami was addressing one man [he] said,
“Why always have Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa? We can have Hare Christ also.”
Same answer as Your Holiness gave,
he said, “Yes, yes, you can have it. Whoever says…. We don’t say no.
It is also possible, but degree, matter of degree,”
as Your Holiness the other day put it.
We have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu or you?
Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ [Cc. adi 17.31].
So we have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
What is this building?
This is a tuberculosis hospital. Oh.
DEVOTEE (2): Prabhupāda, they said that
if Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Western countries,
why didn’t He go there Himself? That’s what they told us.
So He left the credit for me [laughter]
DEVOTEES: Jaya! Haribol!
He loves His devotee more than Himself.
HARIKESA: Why didn’t Kṛṣṇa kill everybody at the Battle of Kurukṣetra? Yes.
Kṛṣṇa, by His simple desire He could kill [laughter]
He said therefore,
bhaviṣyatvam, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma [?], sarvatra pracāra haibe.
He is leaving the task for somebody else. [break]
…behind using the machinery, cars,
airplanes, other things also, I think very convincing, Swamiji,
when you say that they are meant only for Kṛṣṇa’s service,
and if it is dedicated for that, it is used.
Otherwise it is misused, abused. Yes, yes. That is bhakti.
Just like you are walking, some money falls down from your pocket.
Then you forgot.
And somebody, “Oh, here is some money”; he takes it.
And somebody takes it but offers to you. Who is the better man?
The person offering.
Yes. That who takes it and puts in the pocket, he is a thief.
And who takes it and offers to you, he is sincere friend.
So we can use everything only for Kṛṣṇa.
And therefore we are friend to Kṛṣṇa. And you are thief.
Kṛṣṇa’s property you are using unauthorizedly.
Therefore you are a thief.
DEVOTEE (3): [break] The Christians say that
God has given us certain things to enjoy.
Just like I was talking to one Christian about eating meat, and he said,
“Well, I enjoy eating meat.”
So, the tiger will say he will enjoy you.
Why do you protest against the tiger?
ACYUTĀNANDA: In the Bible it says that everything was for the enjoyment of man.
Man is sovereign over the animals.
Enjoyment does not mean that you kill him. Enjoy means protection.
It means protecting, not eating.
Go-rakṣya.
You protect the cows and take the best food in the world, milk.
That is enjoyment.
Not foolishly to eat the cow.
All of those speakers are very eager to give credit to Vivekananda,
but he has not done anything. Prabhupāda has done the most.
They cannot see properly, all these speakers.
No one knows Vivekananda in America.
Acchā?
No one has ever heard his name.
No, it is not that no one has heard,
but they are working for the last eighty- five years. What they have done?
They only have about four or five temples, centers in America.
There is no Deity established in the temples, only some big…
Now recently they have established one temple of Rāmakrishna in Vṛndāvana.
Nobody goes there.
YAŚODĀNANDANA: It is simply a hospital. TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: What is the Deity?
They have taken up social work, isn’t it? Everybody.[break]
There is Theosophical Society?
Yes, all over the world, international.
[break] …started from here?
It was started. Madras center and there in America.
[break] …come from the other side [break] …registering this association,
some friend suggested, “Why don’t you make it ‘God consciousness’?”
And “No, ‘Kṛṣṇa conscious.’ If I bring God consciousness,
they will bring so many gods.”
And another question reply was also very convin…,
that all other are gods, but He is Godhead.
That is very clinching expla…. Some of these things are really direct replies.
And actually that is fact. This was…. Even Acyutānanda said the other day.
Somebody asked us that question,
“Why not ‘God conscious’? Why do you want ‘Kṛṣṇa’?”
He also said the same thing [break]
“What is the difference between thieving the butter and other things by Lord Kṛṣṇa and thieving by us?”
I said “The thieving is thieving.” I said, “How can there be theft of…” [break]
And if you steal, you will be beaten with shoes.
We are beaten with shoes, but He is allowed.
Not only allowed, but He is worshiped:
“Sir, it is very kind of You that You have stolen.”
That is what….
Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com