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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 4th of
January, 1976, in Nellore, India.
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INDIAN MAN: that Jyoti Swami showed me
that incident at Japan[?], and he asked me,
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“Have you seen…?”
Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
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Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
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Makṣikā bhramarā icchanti…[?]
Maksikā, these ordinary flies,
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they find out where is sore, and the
bhramarā, he finds out where is honey.
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Similarly, doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
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And the Bhaktivedanta Swami is
doing preaching all over the world—
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that has not come to his eyes.
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He has come to the Japanese
incident. He has come.
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Yes, I told him there might be some,
in a big organization, such a…
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No, why did you not say,
“You are such a pamara
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that this thing has come to your notice
and not other thing?” That I told him.
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For that he began to say, “No, no,
you read my literature. You’ll be….
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We don’t have any envy.”
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I took that also with
me, and he gave me….
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Next time, when I went, after reading,
I said, “How many mistakes are there?
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Not even a single dot is mistake in other
literature, and still you say this literature?
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And what is new
therein? Nothing new.”
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Just try to understand
that whatever it may be,
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what is the mentality
of these rascals,
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that “The good things do
not come to your notice.”
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If something is bad,
“Oh, here is…” You see.
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Pāmarāḥ doṣam icchanti
guṇam icchanti paṇḍitāḥ [?].
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Saj-janā guṇam icchanti
doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ [?].
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That means they are not
even a Vaiṣṇava. You see?
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Vaiṣṇava means
paramo nirmatsarāṇām.
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Even one has got some fault,
a Vaiṣṇava does not see that.
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He takes the good qualities.
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But they are not
even Vaiṣṇava. Yes.
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Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
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The mission of Gau…,
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Caitanya Mahāprabhu, is
being preaching all over the….
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That does not come to their….
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Some Japanese paper has written
something—it has come immediately.
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Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ.
That fool, that he’s a….
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Here is a pāmara, and he’s
a lowest of the mankind.
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You can say that “Why this thing
has come prominent to your eyes
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and not the other thing?”
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No, I did say in my own way,
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though I did not quote this, that
“You are a pāmara. I said, “Why…”
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Yes, you can say now,
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that “That day I forgot to
say that you are a pāmara.
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So I have come to say that
you are a pāmara. [laughter]
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“I forgot it. Excuse me, I forgot it.
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So you are pāmara.
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And it is so. As a
matter of fact, it is so.
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And for that, the
apology is, “No, no,
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I do realize that lot of work
is being done about that.”
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“But because I am pāmara,
I am finding out this fault.”
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But you have now
completed the sentence.
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“You know lot of things, but
because you are pāmara,
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therefore this thing
has come prominent.”
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That is the proviso.
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Yes.
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That is the proof that
you are a pāmara.
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In my own way, if they challenge
us and they are convincing,
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because to the audience
it has to be said.
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One gosvāmī, when I said, “Well, this
is a movement which I very much like,
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and like also to join,”
then he said that—
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because I am conducting Gītā Bhavan[?]
founded by him—he said, “No, no, no, no.
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We as a matter of fact
champion that cause.
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But afterwards, when we realized that it
is not sampradayic, we have given it up.
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Therefore…” Then his conduct….
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The next day itself,
he was not liking me.
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I have been doing this
propaganda, this Gītā pravacanam,
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for the past four years in the
organization founded by him.
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But the very next day, that gosvāmī,
Puruṣottama Gosvāmī of Vṛndāvana…
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YAŚODĀNANDANA:
The envious one.
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He has got a camp here?
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YAŚODĀNANDANA: No, in Madras.
When he was here it happened.
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And that devotee’s grace….
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Then I said, “What is the
reason why you say?” “No, no.
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After all, we are qualified.
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Those mlecchas…”
PRABHUPĀDA: Nobody cares for you.
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You are so qualified that
nobody cares for you.
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: What did he say?
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YAŚODĀNANDANA: What
did he say about mlecchas?
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Yes, “Why mlecchas, how
can they have, after all?”
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I said, “You yourself were
a married person, and…”
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And you did not know
that they are not….
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If they are mlecchas,
then you are nārakī.
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It is said, vaiṣṇave jāti-
buddhiḥ nārakī [?]. Yes.
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Ārcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara-
matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī [?].
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Anyone who considers in terms
of caste a Vaiṣṇava, he’s a nārakī.
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Nārakī. Now, just like we go to
the temple to see the Deities.
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Many millions of people are coming, but
everyone knows that this is made of stone.
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But they are going
to see the stone?
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There is God in it. Huh?
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They are going to see the stone?
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So arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhiḥ [?].
Anyone who thinks like that….
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Similarly, everyone knows
that he is European,
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he is American, but because he is Vaiṣṇava,
one should not see like that, mleccha.
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If he sees, then he’s nārakī.
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It also proves that they have
no faith in the holy name,
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because the harināma
purifies everything.
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DHṚṢṬADYUMNA: [aside:] Did that
swami show that article to Prabhupāda?
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Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubhyām
[sic]. Aho bata svapa.
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Why do you speak in the
middle? You should hear.
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Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubham [?], yan-nāma
śruti-mātrena pumān bhavati nirmalaḥ [?].
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And this rascals says
the nāma has no….
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See. We have to meet
simply rascals all over.
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The so-called religionists, so-called swamis,
so-called yogis, so-called politicians.
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You see? Simply we have
to meet with all rascals.
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No, he was reminding me
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of this Jyoti Mahārāja showing
that article on Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day
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to the reading out to
the entire audience.
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That was a rubbish. Oh,
read to the whole audience.
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He was reading?
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Ah, that is what he reminds me,
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because I said the incident
which I had with him….
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On Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day
I did not go there.
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But on that day it
was being read out.
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That was the silly part of it.
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So what is the wrong there?
What was the wrong?
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No, he said that “This movement
has got these black sheep,
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and they have been banned in Japan.
Everywhere they will be banned.”
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But there is something in Japan which is
banned. But what you have got in Japan?
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Nothing.
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First of all, we are not
even banned in Japan.
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The center is still there.
No, no, that’s all right.
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Banned means we had something.
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But what proof you have got that
you have done something in Japan?
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There is something; there
is nothing. So it is better.
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Just like one man said that “I
have lost fifty thousand this year.”
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His friend said, “You are still fortunate,
because you had fifty thousand.
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But I have no fifty paisa even.”
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So there is something.
Here nothing.
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“So you are so fortunate that you
could suffer the loss of fifty thousand,
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but I have nothing to lose.”
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But that is for a discriminating man.
Here it is an ignorance, asuya, envy.
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When Acyutānanda Swami was
addressing one man [he] said,
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“Why always have Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare
Kṛṣṇa? We can have Hare Christ also.”
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Same answer as
Your Holiness gave,
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he said, “Yes, yes, you can have it.
Whoever says…. We don’t say no.
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It is also possible, but
degree, matter of degree,”
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as Your Holiness
the other day put it.
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We have to follow Caitanya
Mahāprabhu or you?
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Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,
kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ [Cc. adi 17.31].
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So we have to follow
Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
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What is this building?
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This is a tuberculosis hospital. Oh.
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DEVOTEE (2): Prabhupāda,
they said that
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if Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted Kṛṣṇa
consciousness in the Western countries,
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why didn’t He go there Himself?
That’s what they told us.
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So He left the credit
for me [laughter]
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DEVOTEES: Jaya! Haribol!
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He loves His devotee
more than Himself.
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HARIKESA: Why didn’t Kṛṣṇa kill
everybody at the Battle of Kurukṣetra? Yes.
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Kṛṣṇa, by His simple desire
He could kill [laughter]
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He said therefore,
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bhaviṣyatvam, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi
grāma [?], sarvatra pracāra haibe.
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He is leaving the task for
somebody else. [break]
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…behind using the
machinery, cars,
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airplanes, other things also, I
think very convincing, Swamiji,
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when you say that they are
meant only for Kṛṣṇa’s service,
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and if it is dedicated
for that, it is used.
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Otherwise it is misused,
abused. Yes, yes. That is bhakti.
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Just like you are walking, some
money falls down from your pocket.
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Then you forgot.
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And somebody, “Oh, here
is some money”; he takes it.
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And somebody takes it but offers
to you. Who is the better man?
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The person offering.
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Yes. That who takes it and puts
in the pocket, he is a thief.
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And who takes it and offers
to you, he is sincere friend.
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So we can use everything
only for Kṛṣṇa.
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And therefore we are friend
to Kṛṣṇa. And you are thief.
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Kṛṣṇa’s property you are
using unauthorizedly.
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Therefore you are a thief.
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DEVOTEE (3): [break]
The Christians say that
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God has given us
certain things to enjoy.
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Just like I was talking to one Christian
about eating meat, and he said,
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“Well, I enjoy eating meat.”
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So, the tiger will say
he will enjoy you.
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Why do you protest
against the tiger?
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ACYUTĀNANDA: In the Bible it says that
everything was for the enjoyment of man.
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Man is sovereign over the animals.
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Enjoyment does not mean that you
kill him. Enjoy means protection.
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It means protecting, not eating.
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Go-rakṣya.
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You protect the cows and take
the best food in the world, milk.
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That is enjoyment.
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Not foolishly to eat the cow.
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All of those speakers are very eager
to give credit to Vivekananda,
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but he has not done anything.
Prabhupāda has done the most.
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They cannot see properly,
all these speakers.
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No one knows
Vivekananda in America.
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Acchā?
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No one has ever heard his name.
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No, it is not that no one has heard,
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but they are working for the last eighty-
five years. What they have done?
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They only have about four or
five temples, centers in America.
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There is no Deity established
in the temples, only some big…
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Now recently they have established one
temple of Rāmakrishna in Vṛndāvana.
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Nobody goes there.
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Nobody goes there.
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YAŚODĀNANDANA: It is simply a hospital.
TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: What is the Deity?
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They have taken up social
work, isn’t it? Everybody.[break]
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There is Theosophical Society?
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Yes, all over the
world, international.
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[break] …started from here?
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It was started. Madras
center and there in America.
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[break] …come from the other side
[break] …registering this association,
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some friend suggested, “Why don’t
you make it ‘God consciousness’?”
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And “No, ‘Kṛṣṇa conscious.’
If I bring God consciousness,
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they will bring so many gods.”
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And another question reply
was also very convin…,
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that all other are gods,
but He is Godhead.
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That is very clinching expla…. Some of
these things are really direct replies.
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And actually that is fact. This was….
Even Acyutānanda said the other day.
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Somebody asked us that question,
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“Why not ‘God conscious’?
Why do you want ‘Kṛṣṇa’?”
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He also said the
same thing [break]
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“What is the difference between thieving the butter
and other things by Lord Kṛṣṇa and thieving by us?”
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I said “The thieving is thieving.” I said,
“How can there be theft of…” [break]
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And if you steal, you will
be beaten with shoes.
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We are beaten with
shoes, but He is allowed.
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Not only allowed,
but He is worshiped:
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“Sir, it is very kind of You
that You have stolen.”
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That is what….
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