0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,328 MW SF 1975-07-19 'I Have Gold' - 'I Am God' 1 00:00:13,329 --> 00:00:16,328 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:16,329 --> 00:00:21,868 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:21,869 --> 00:00:46,488 recorded on the 19th of July, 1975, in San Francisco, California. 4 00:00:46,489 --> 00:00:54,488 JAYATĪRTHA: What is the position of a soul that’s in a sacred tree like a fig tree? 5 00:00:54,489 --> 00:00:59,908 PRABHUPĀDA: There are also sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. 6 00:00:59,909 --> 00:01:08,168 Sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa is working throughout the universe. [break] 7 00:01:08,169 --> 00:01:15,758 …was attempt to manufacture gold by combination of metals. 8 00:01:15,759 --> 00:01:19,748 They are not doing that? 9 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:21,338 No, I don’t think they’re doing that. 10 00:01:21,339 --> 00:01:23,109 Why? 11 00:01:23,110 --> 00:01:25,649 They think that that’s foolishness. 12 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:29,439 They think that it’s a legendary thing. 13 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:35,029 SUDĀMĀ: Alchemy is not looked upon as very intelligent. 14 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:35,514 TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Scientific. 15 00:01:35,515 --> 00:01:36,719 They’ve replaced it now with science, higher truth of science. 16 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,189 No, it is not legend. 17 00:01:42,190 --> 00:01:55,599 If you can mix copper, tin and mercury—this is stated in the śāstra—you can make gold. 18 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,639 It is not legend. 19 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:08,019 The particular metals to be combined, that is stated: copper, tin and mercury. 20 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:10,429 You mix, and there will be gold. 21 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:12,989 Why aren’t they doing it? 22 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:15,019 Because they do not know the process. 23 00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:18,889 No, but some Vedic people, some men who know the Vedas. 24 00:02:18,890 --> 00:02:20,209 In India they know. 25 00:02:20,210 --> 00:02:21,789 No. 26 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:23,659 They make gold, some of the yogis. 27 00:02:23,660 --> 00:02:24,309 BRAHMĀNANDA: Yogis. 28 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:28,000 You once said they swallow some mercury and then they… Yes. 29 00:02:28,001 --> 00:02:36,440 They swallow mercury overnight, and they pass urine on the copper, 30 00:02:36,441 --> 00:02:41,640 and then the copper is put into the fire. It becomes gold. 31 00:02:41,641 --> 00:02:45,990 There is same combination, mercury, copper. 32 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:51,680 PARAMAHAṀSA: The only difficulty is that mercury is certain death if you eat it. 33 00:02:51,681 --> 00:02:58,390 So therefore you must know how to eat. [laughter] 34 00:02:58,391 --> 00:03:00,220 But why don’t they… 35 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:04,920 I’m sure the scientists could figure out an easier way than having to swallow it. 36 00:03:04,921 --> 00:03:09,210 No. That doesn’t… But in Kaviraji, 37 00:03:09,211 --> 00:03:19,800 they make some medicine which is gold added by this process, makaradhvaja. 38 00:03:19,801 --> 00:03:31,550 Makaradhvaja, the medicine which is combination of tin and mercury, 39 00:03:31,551 --> 00:03:37,080 and it looks like gold. 40 00:03:37,081 --> 00:03:40,860 So we could become rich if we do this, our movement. 41 00:03:40,861 --> 00:03:45,010 Yes, everyone will do, and there will be no rich men. 42 00:03:45,011 --> 00:03:48,120 Are the zinc and the copper… Is it tin and copper? 43 00:03:48,121 --> 00:03:50,460 Tin, copper and mercury. 44 00:03:50,461 --> 00:03:52,381 Yes. So you can try. You are… That’s brass. 45 00:03:52,382 --> 00:03:55,071 That’s the constituents of brass. 46 00:03:55,072 --> 00:03:55,991 Tin and copper? 47 00:03:55,992 --> 00:03:57,601 Like bell metal. 48 00:03:57,602 --> 00:04:00,251 Yes. And add mercury. 49 00:04:00,252 --> 00:04:02,711 Is first the metals mixed together? 50 00:04:02,712 --> 00:04:07,291 I do not know that. [laughter] 51 00:04:07,292 --> 00:04:10,421 I’ll give you all the profits. 52 00:04:10,422 --> 00:04:14,161 I can give you suggestion. 53 00:04:14,162 --> 00:04:21,111 This example is given by Sanātana Gosvāmī. 54 00:04:21,112 --> 00:04:25,901 Yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti kaṁsyaṁ rāsa-vidhānataḥ 55 00:04:25,902 --> 00:04:34,151 tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ jāyate nṛnāṁ [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12]. 56 00:04:34,152 --> 00:04:44,591 This is the definition, that “As kaṁsa, the bell metal, by manipulating with mercury, 57 00:04:44,592 --> 00:04:52,051 it becomes gold, similarly, a person by the process of dīkai [?], initiation, 58 00:04:52,052 --> 00:04:55,661 be becomes a brāhmaṇa. 59 00:04:55,662 --> 00:04:57,871 This is the example he has given. 60 00:04:57,872 --> 00:05:04,181 Yathā kāñcanataṁ yāti [Hari-bhakti- vilāsa 2.12]. Kāñcanatam means gold. 61 00:05:04,182 --> 00:05:13,541 Rāsa-vidhānataḥ, by process of mercury manipulation. 62 00:05:13,542 --> 00:05:20,002 Why he has not taken other metal? This is in the śāstra. 63 00:05:20,003 --> 00:05:29,392 And the scientists—I do not know—they say that some, what is called, molecules? 64 00:05:29,393 --> 00:05:37,672 Some molecules added with mercury, it can be turned into gold. 65 00:05:37,673 --> 00:05:42,792 I don’t know why they don’t do it. They are experimenting. 66 00:05:42,793 --> 00:05:50,722 They have not come to success. 67 00:05:50,723 --> 00:05:53,802 So why not make experiment in the laboratory? 68 00:05:53,803 --> 00:05:58,442 Yes. We should do it. Perhaps Svarūpa Dāmodara can do it. 69 00:05:58,443 --> 00:06:03,332 Svarūpa Dāmodara is a chemist. 70 00:06:03,333 --> 00:06:07,592 I have a lot of tin and brass. 71 00:06:07,593 --> 00:06:08,572 Brass you have got? 72 00:06:08,573 --> 00:06:09,722 Would you like? 73 00:06:09,723 --> 00:06:17,072 No, you add mercury, then give. 74 00:06:17,073 --> 00:06:25,242 The kāvirājī medicines, they mix mercury and sulphur, 75 00:06:25,243 --> 00:06:28,962 and then tin, and some other medicine, 76 00:06:28,963 --> 00:06:34,612 that make makaradhvaja, and it looks like gold. 77 00:06:34,613 --> 00:06:45,392 Svarṇa-sindhu, the name is svarṇa-sindhu, “vermillion of gold.” 78 00:06:45,393 --> 00:06:47,492 That is a medicine. 79 00:06:47,493 --> 00:06:51,822 It looks like gold. 80 00:06:51,823 --> 00:07:01,793 The some medicine, they mix mercury and sulphuric acid first of all, 81 00:07:01,794 --> 00:07:03,773 and then with some other thing. 82 00:07:03,774 --> 00:07:06,963 Mercury cannot be directly heated. 83 00:07:06,964 --> 00:07:10,213 It must be mixed with sulphuric acid. 84 00:07:10,214 --> 00:07:12,683 What happens when it is directly heated? 85 00:07:12,684 --> 00:07:16,133 It will immediately blow. 86 00:07:16,134 --> 00:07:17,513 Sulphuric acid is also poisonous. 87 00:07:17,514 --> 00:07:22,993 Huh? Cancer? Poisonous. 88 00:07:22,994 --> 00:07:28,463 So it blows up as soon as it’s heated. 89 00:07:28,464 --> 00:07:29,533 Well, it’s not a medicine then. 90 00:07:29,534 --> 00:07:41,063 You don’t… No, they use as medicine, mercury mixed with sulphur. 91 00:07:41,064 --> 00:07:45,643 There was an advertisement that a ten cent piece, a dime, 92 00:07:45,644 --> 00:07:51,103 that was minted ten years ago it was made with silver. 93 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:55,983 So that ten cent piece today is actually worth twenty-five cents. 94 00:07:55,984 --> 00:07:59,173 And the twenty-five cents piece that they make today, 95 00:07:59,174 --> 00:08:05,773 because it’s made with copper, it’s only worth ten cents. 96 00:08:05,774 --> 00:08:09,533 So it’s better to have a ten cent piece that was made ten years ago 97 00:08:09,534 --> 00:08:14,753 than a twenty-five cent piece that was made today. 98 00:08:14,754 --> 00:08:19,644 In the British historical museum in London, I have seen there’s a plate about this large, 99 00:08:19,645 --> 00:08:23,584 and half of it is pure gold, and the other half is lead. 100 00:08:23,585 --> 00:08:25,124 And they found this. They can’t explain. 101 00:08:25,125 --> 00:08:27,144 It’s just a straight line where they separate, 102 00:08:27,145 --> 00:08:30,784 and they can’t explain how it was produced. 103 00:08:30,785 --> 00:08:34,164 So they’re experimenting now to try to change lead because there’s only, 104 00:08:34,165 --> 00:08:38,144 what is it, one proton or electron in the atom? 105 00:08:38,145 --> 00:08:38,934 Different. 106 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:46,674 There’s only like one proton difference between lead and gold. [break] 107 00:08:46,675 --> 00:08:59,294 …the sky there are many big, big planets where the millions of miles made of gold. 108 00:08:59,295 --> 00:09:02,594 Just like desert, there is gold desert. 109 00:09:02,595 --> 00:09:07,304 Yeah. We saw coming here a salt desert. 110 00:09:07,305 --> 00:09:09,124 There’s a whole desert of salt. 111 00:09:09,125 --> 00:09:09,674 Where? 112 00:09:09,675 --> 00:09:11,014 In Utaḥ. 113 00:09:11,015 --> 00:09:13,384 It’s called salt flats. 114 00:09:13,385 --> 00:09:16,724 There’s a great salt lake. 115 00:09:16,725 --> 00:09:19,784 And the lake is gradually drying up. 116 00:09:19,785 --> 00:09:23,714 And for miles and miles and miles, simply salt. 117 00:09:23,715 --> 00:09:24,674 Even in this planet. 118 00:09:24,675 --> 00:09:28,355 Yes. 119 00:09:28,356 --> 00:09:32,785 And the water in that lake is far more salty than the ocean water. 120 00:09:32,786 --> 00:09:35,915 Hmm, much more. 121 00:09:35,916 --> 00:09:38,775 Cannot sink in it, I think. 122 00:09:38,776 --> 00:09:41,265 Yeah, it’s not possible to drown. 123 00:09:41,266 --> 00:09:45,605 If you go into the water there, immediately you come up to the surface. So much salt. 124 00:09:45,606 --> 00:09:48,445 Oh. [break] 125 00:09:48,446 --> 00:09:55,505 …the ocean of milk, ocean of milk. 126 00:09:55,506 --> 00:10:08,595 Ocean of liquor, ocean of oil, ocean of yogurt. [break] 127 00:10:08,596 --> 00:10:10,615 NALINĪ−KAṆṬHA: …in the ocean of nectar. 128 00:10:10,616 --> 00:10:12,755 The devotees are living in the ocean also. 129 00:10:12,756 --> 00:10:13,005 Nectar. 130 00:10:13,006 --> 00:10:16,345 Yes. That is stated by Caitanya Mahāprabhu, 131 00:10:16,346 --> 00:10:21,325 Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. 132 00:10:21,326 --> 00:10:30,725 The ordinary ocean does not increase, but this ocean increases. 133 00:10:30,726 --> 00:10:40,155 ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam Vardhanam means increasing. [dog barks] 134 00:10:40,156 --> 00:10:47,955 So they keep also dog? I was thinking there was no dog. 135 00:10:47,956 --> 00:10:50,305 They’re strays. 136 00:10:50,306 --> 00:10:55,066 DHĪRA KṚṢṆA: Many dogs live around this campus, an unusual number, 137 00:10:55,067 --> 00:10:57,646 a very large number. 138 00:10:57,647 --> 00:11:04,046 Śrīla Prabhupāda, in what śāstra is that recipe given for gold? 139 00:11:04,047 --> 00:11:08,906 In the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa. 140 00:11:08,907 --> 00:11:10,976 Not recipe. 141 00:11:10,977 --> 00:11:17,116 The comparison is there in Hari-bhakti-vilāsa. 142 00:11:17,117 --> 00:11:20,326 Perhaps purposefully the recipe is not given 143 00:11:20,327 --> 00:11:27,736 so that you can take and misuse this. [laughter] 144 00:11:27,737 --> 00:11:32,236 And forget chanting. Because as soon as you get gold, 145 00:11:32,237 --> 00:11:36,156 then you are no more interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 146 00:11:36,157 --> 00:11:39,286 That is the infection of gold. 147 00:11:39,287 --> 00:11:43,326 But I have gold. No, you have gold. [laughs] 148 00:11:43,327 --> 00:11:48,206 Not great quantities. 149 00:11:48,207 --> 00:11:50,756 Originally when I came to the movement I asked you this, remember? 150 00:11:50,757 --> 00:11:54,936 And you gave lectures on the subject, and I asked you about it. 151 00:11:54,937 --> 00:11:58,476 And you asked me for what purpose I wanted it. No, no, I don’t wonder you. 152 00:11:58,477 --> 00:12:06,726 But the gold has got such infection that if one… That is the whole world, 153 00:12:06,727 --> 00:12:12,106 that as soon as one has gold, he is no more interested with God. 154 00:12:12,107 --> 00:12:14,656 That is the infection. 155 00:12:14,657 --> 00:12:21,517 “Ah!” He will say, “This is meant for the poor class of men who has no gold. 156 00:12:21,518 --> 00:12:28,807 I have gold. I am God.” 157 00:12:28,808 --> 00:12:31,027 You know that Kali-yuga. 158 00:12:31,028 --> 00:12:34,257 He was punished, that “You get out.” 159 00:12:34,258 --> 00:12:39,177 Then he said that “Where shall I go? Everywhere is your kingdom.” 160 00:12:39,178 --> 00:12:45,977 Then Parīkṣit Mahārāja said that “You go here, in the brothel, 161 00:12:45,978 --> 00:12:49,677 in the…, these four things.” 162 00:12:49,678 --> 00:12:54,047 striyaḥ śūna-pānā dyutāḥ yatra pāpāś catur-vidhāḥ [?] 163 00:12:54,048 --> 00:13:03,367 “Illicit sex, and slaughterhouse, and liquor shop, and gambling.” 164 00:13:03,368 --> 00:13:08,477 Then he requested that “Instead of going so many places, 165 00:13:08,478 --> 00:13:13,387 you give me some place where one place will be sufficient.” 166 00:13:13,388 --> 00:13:19,477 Then he said, “You go where there is gold. 167 00:13:19,478 --> 00:13:25,377 Then you get everything.” 168 00:13:25,378 --> 00:13:30,597 Striyaḥ śūna-pānā dyutāḥ yatra pāpāś catur-vidhāḥ [?]. 169 00:13:30,598 --> 00:13:39,827 Formerly, especially in Bengal, the gold merchants are taken as—that is artificial, 170 00:13:39,828 --> 00:13:47,087 of course—the low class because they are rich, 171 00:13:47,088 --> 00:13:51,847 and they indulge in these four kinds of prohibition. 172 00:13:51,848 --> 00:13:52,527 Hare Kṛṣṇa. 173 00:13:52,528 --> 00:13:56,730 DEVOTEES: Hare Kṛṣṇa. 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