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MW SF 1975-07-19 'I Have Gold' - 'I Am God'
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 19th of July,
1975, in San Francisco, California.
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JAYATĪRTHA: What is the position of a
soul that’s in a sacred tree like a fig tree?
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PRABHUPĀDA: There are also
sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa.
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Sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa is
working throughout the universe. [break]
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…was attempt to manufacture
gold by combination of metals.
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They are not doing that?
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No, I don’t think they’re doing that.
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Why?
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They think that that’s foolishness.
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They think that it’s a legendary thing.
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SUDĀMĀ: Alchemy is not
looked upon as very intelligent.
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Scientific.
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They’ve replaced it now with
science, higher truth of science.
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No, it is not legend.
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If you can mix copper, tin and mercury—this
is stated in the śāstra—you can make gold.
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It is not legend.
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The particular metals to be combined,
that is stated: copper, tin and mercury.
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You mix, and there will be gold.
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Why aren’t they doing it?
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Because they do not know the process.
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No, but some Vedic people,
some men who know the Vedas.
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In India they know.
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No.
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They make gold, some of the yogis.
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BRAHMĀNANDA: Yogis.
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You once said they swallow some
mercury and then they… Yes.
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They swallow mercury overnight,
and they pass urine on the copper,
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and then the copper is put
into the fire. It becomes gold.
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There is same combination, mercury, copper.
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PARAMAHAṀSA: The only difficulty is
that mercury is certain death if you eat it.
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So therefore you must know how to eat. [laughter]
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But why don’t they…
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I’m sure the scientists could figure out
an easier way than having to swallow it.
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No. That doesn’t… But in Kaviraji,
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they make some medicine which is gold
added by this process, makaradhvaja.
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Makaradhvaja, the medicine which
is combination of tin and mercury,
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and it looks like gold.
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So we could become rich if we do this, our movement.
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Yes, everyone will do, and there will be no rich men.
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Are the zinc and the copper… Is it tin and copper?
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Tin, copper and mercury.
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Yes. So you can try. You are… That’s brass.
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That’s the constituents of brass.
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Tin and copper?
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Like bell metal.
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Yes. And add mercury.
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Is first the metals mixed together?
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I do not know that. [laughter]
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I’ll give you all the profits.
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I can give you suggestion.
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This example is given by Sanātana Gosvāmī.
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Yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti kaṁsyaṁ rāsa-vidhānataḥ
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tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ
jāyate nṛnāṁ [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12].
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This is the definition, that “As kaṁsa, the
bell metal, by manipulating with mercury,
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it becomes gold, similarly, a person
by the process of dīkai [?], initiation,
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be becomes a brāhmaṇa.
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This is the example he has given.
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Yathā kāñcanataṁ yāti [Hari-bhakti-
vilāsa 2.12]. Kāñcanatam means gold.
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Rāsa-vidhānataḥ, by process of mercury manipulation.
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Why he has not taken other metal? This is in the śāstra.
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And the scientists—I do not know—they
say that some, what is called, molecules?
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Some molecules added with
mercury, it can be turned into gold.
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I don’t know why they don’t
do it. They are experimenting.
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They have not come to success.
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So why not make experiment in the laboratory?
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Yes. We should do it. Perhaps
Svarūpa Dāmodara can do it.
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Svarūpa Dāmodara is a chemist.
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I have a lot of tin and brass.
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Brass you have got?
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Would you like?
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No, you add mercury, then give.
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The kāvirājī medicines, they mix mercury and sulphur,
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and then tin, and some other medicine,
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that make makaradhvaja, and it looks like gold.
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Svarṇa-sindhu, the name is
svarṇa-sindhu, “vermillion of gold.”
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That is a medicine.
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It looks like gold.
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The some medicine, they mix
mercury and sulphuric acid first of all,
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and then with some other thing.
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Mercury cannot be directly heated.
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It must be mixed with sulphuric acid.
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What happens when it is directly heated?
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It will immediately blow.
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Sulphuric acid is also poisonous.
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Huh? Cancer? Poisonous.
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So it blows up as soon as it’s heated.
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Well, it’s not a medicine then.
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You don’t… No, they use as medicine,
mercury mixed with sulphur.
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There was an advertisement
that a ten cent piece, a dime,
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that was minted ten years ago it was made with silver.
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So that ten cent piece today is
actually worth twenty-five cents.
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And the twenty-five cents piece that they make today,
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because it’s made with copper, it’s only worth ten cents.
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So it’s better to have a ten cent
piece that was made ten years ago
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than a twenty-five cent piece that was made today.
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In the British historical museum in London,
I have seen there’s a plate about this large,
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and half of it is pure gold, and the other half is lead.
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And they found this. They can’t explain.
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It’s just a straight line where they separate,
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and they can’t explain how it was produced.
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So they’re experimenting now to try
to change lead because there’s only,
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what is it, one proton or electron in the atom?
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Different.
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There’s only like one proton difference
between lead and gold. [break]
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…the sky there are many big, big planets
where the millions of miles made of gold.
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Just like desert, there is gold desert.
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Yeah. We saw coming here a salt desert.
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There’s a whole desert of salt.
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Where?
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In Utaḥ.
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It’s called salt flats.
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There’s a great salt lake.
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And the lake is gradually drying up.
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And for miles and miles and miles, simply salt.
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Even in this planet.
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Yes.
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And the water in that lake is far
more salty than the ocean water.
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Hmm, much more.
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Cannot sink in it, I think.
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Yeah, it’s not possible to drown.
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If you go into the water there, immediately
you come up to the surface. So much salt.
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Oh. [break]
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…the ocean of milk, ocean of milk.
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Ocean of liquor, ocean of oil, ocean of yogurt. [break]
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NALINĪ−KAṆṬHA: …in the ocean of nectar.
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The devotees are living in the ocean also.
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Nectar.
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Yes. That is stated by Caitanya Mahāprabhu,
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Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].
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The ordinary ocean does not
increase, but this ocean increases.
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ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam Vardhanam
means increasing. [dog barks]
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So they keep also dog? I was thinking there was no dog.
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They’re strays.
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DHĪRA KṚṢṆA: Many dogs live around
this campus, an unusual number,
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a very large number.
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Śrīla Prabhupāda, in what śāstra
is that recipe given for gold?
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In the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa.
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Not recipe.
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The comparison is there in Hari-bhakti-vilāsa.
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Perhaps purposefully the recipe is not given
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so that you can take and misuse this. [laughter]
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And forget chanting. Because as soon as you get gold,
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then you are no more interested
in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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That is the infection of gold.
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But I have gold. No, you have gold. [laughs]
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Not great quantities.
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Originally when I came to the
movement I asked you this, remember?
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And you gave lectures on the
subject, and I asked you about it.
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And you asked me for what purpose I
wanted it. No, no, I don’t wonder you.
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But the gold has got such infection
that if one… That is the whole world,
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that as soon as one has gold, he
is no more interested with God.
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That is the infection.
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“Ah!” He will say, “This is meant for the
poor class of men who has no gold.
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I have gold. I am God.”
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You know that Kali-yuga.
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He was punished, that “You get out.”
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Then he said that “Where shall I
go? Everywhere is your kingdom.”
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Then Parīkṣit Mahārāja said that
“You go here, in the brothel,
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in the…, these four things.”
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striyaḥ śūna-pānā dyutāḥ yatra pāpāś catur-vidhāḥ [?]
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“Illicit sex, and slaughterhouse,
and liquor shop, and gambling.”
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Then he requested that “Instead
of going so many places,
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you give me some place where
one place will be sufficient.”
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Then he said, “You go where there is gold.
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Then you get everything.”
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Striyaḥ śūna-pānā dyutāḥ yatra pāpāś catur-vidhāḥ [?].
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Formerly, especially in Bengal, the gold
merchants are taken as—that is artificial,
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of course—the low class because they are rich,
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and they indulge in these four kinds of prohibition.
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Hare Kṛṣṇa.
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DEVOTEES: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
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