MW VRN 1975-12-04 Want to Imitate Rama
ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation,
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 4th of December, 1975, in Vṛndāvana, India.
PRABHUPĀDA: These four principles will make so many bogus bābās as useless.
Simply if you follow these four principles. [break]
AKṢAYĀNANDA: …said that Rāmacandra ate meat.
Some people have said to me…
Rāmacandra can eat you and the whole universe.
Can you do that?
By imit…
Even Rāmacandra used to eat meat, so you can simply imitate for meat-eating.
But why don’t you imitate how to construct a bridge over the ocean?
Why don’t you say that Rāmacandra constructed a bridge on the ocean?
Can you do that?
No.
Then you are rascal.
But in the Bhagavad-gītā it says, yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas [Bg 3.21].
Whatever the great men do, you must follow in their footsteps.
Yes.
By their instruction; not by their activities.
You should follow the instruction.
Not the activities.
Has Kṛṣṇa said anything that “You also act rāsa-līlā like Me?”
- No. - Has said?
- Never. - Then how you can?
These rascals, these Māyāvādīs, they play rāsa-līlā. [break]
…ācarati śreṣṭhas means…
That śreṣṭha is ordinary person, but not Bhagavān.
Bhagavān can act any way.
I still…
Bhagavān has never instructed you that,
“You imitate Me in raising the Govardhana Hill.”
Has He said like that, that “You also raise the Govardhana Hill like Me”? [break]
…orders.
man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ… [Bg. 18.65]
That is for you.
Always think of Him.
Always become His devotee.
Worship Him.
Offer your obeisances.
That’s all.
That is for you.
Yasodamayi was asking Kṛṣṇa,
“My dear Kṛṣṇa, can you bring the slipper of Your father?”
He could not; even the small child.
Still, with great difficulty He could raise that.
But the person who can raise the Govardhana Hill,
He was feeling difficulty to raise the slipper?
Why?
If at that time He becomes like Govardhana—Giridhārī…
Huh?
Then the līlā between father and son will be damaged.
He plays just like a child.
Although He can raise even in that age, to hill…
Raise the hill.
One should understand Kṛṣṇa.
Everyone compares Him with ordinary man:
“Kṛṣṇa has done this, then I shall do.”
Kṛṣṇa has done so many other things; why don’t you do it?
This rascal…
Anyone who imitates Kṛṣṇa on the plea that,
Kṛṣṇa has played this, therefore he shall do.
He can do anything.
He can eat meat and He can eat the whole universe.
That was shown to His mother: “Mother, you are angry because I have eaten dirt.
Now see within My mouth the whole universe is in.
What is the question of dirt and sea and ocean?
I can eat everything.” [break]
…sam na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29]; just like this sun.
It dry up this urine.
It is not infected.
But you lick up this urine?
Let us see how powerful you are.
tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29]
Who is powerful, he can do anything and everything, whatever he likes.
You cannot do that. [break]
…example.
This urine, within an hour it will be dried up.
How it is dried up?
Due to the sun.
But the sun is not polluted.
But you try to dry up and see the result.
HARI−ŚAURI: Śrīla Prabhupāda, wasn’t it Lord Rāmacandra’s purpose
to actually display by His activity how a perfect human being should act?
Who said that?
Well, umm… I understood that that verse, yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas [Bg 3.21]:
That was referring to Lord Rāmacandra.
Everyone is referred, but whatever Rāmacandra says, you should do that.
You should not imitate.
There are two words: following and imitating.
Imitation is not good.
Following is good.
Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas… [Bg 3.21]; you can…
That I have already explained: Can you construct a bridge on the ocean?
You are claiming, yad yad ācarati; can you do this?
Then why do you say like that?
You cannot imitate.
You can follow only.
“Because Rāmacandra ate meat, so I am eating meat.
I become Ramcandra.”
And why don’t you construct a bridge on the ocean?
So actually, perfect kings… Perfect kings, they may have eaten meat?
Perfect kings…
No, perfect king must follow the Vedic injunction.
They would never eat meat,
- even though they are kṣatriyas. - No, kṣatriyas are allowed.
- That is by hunting; not otherwise. - Yeah.
Or yajña.
Everything is there in the śāstra. [break]
…candra, even He was eating meat: He…
Is there any instance in the temple Rāmacandra is offered meat?
Then why do you claim, “Rāmacandra used to eat meat, therefore I shall eat”?
All rascals.
Kṛṣṇa, He ate fire, khāṇḍava-dāna.
But what He asked you to offer?
Does He says that “You offer Me fire”?
He says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ, yo me bhaktyā pray… [Bg. 9.26].
Does He say that “You give Me fire; I shall eat”?
You mean He eats fire in His representation as the fire-god?
No representation.
- As He is. - Ah.
He never assumed as fire-god.
He was boy and playing…
- The forest fire. - And there was for… fire and He ate it.
That is God.
Not that He became a fire-god.
What is fire-god?
Thousands of fire-gods are staying on the nail of His feet.
Why He should become a fire-god?
Mahat-padam [SB 10.14.58]; Kṛṣṇa’s another name is mahat-padam.
The whole energy of material world is on His feet.
samāśritā ye pada-pallava-plavaṁ mahat-padaṁ puṇya-yaśo murāreḥ [SB 10.14.58]
- So they attend maṅgala-arati? GUṆĀRṆAVA: Yeah.
- Huh? - Yeah.
- They do? - Yeah.
DEVOTEE: Yes, they do. - Very good. [break]
…them; there are cycles.
The cycles are more dangerous than the motor car.
HANSADUTTA: Because you can’t hear them.
No, no, hear… Gives you death.
You see?
From the behind.
Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break]
…and God; they do like that.
They give this example:
“In such and such yajña, ṛṣis were eating meat.
Therefore we shall eat meat.”
In the Rāmakrishna Mission— sannyāsīs—they say like that.
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