0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,500 RC BHU 1977-02-03 Jesus Christ--We Give Christ All Honor 1 00:00:01,501 --> 00:00:03,400 ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation, 2 00:00:03,401 --> 00:00:08,883 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:08,884 --> 00:00:16,959 recorded on February 3rd, 1977, in Bhubaneshwar, India. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,622 HARI-ŚAURI: You said preaching is a thankless task. 5 00:00:20,623 --> 00:00:24,551 PRABHUPĀDA: Just see Jesus Christ—crucified. - Yeah. 6 00:00:24,552 --> 00:00:32,703 What was his fault? 7 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:36,201 He was crucified. 8 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:39,973 - Of course, he was not crucified. - No, but externally… 9 00:00:39,974 --> 00:00:42,356 Nobody can crucify him. 10 00:00:42,357 --> 00:00:57,086 - But the people are so thankless. - That they wanted to do that. 11 00:00:57,087 --> 00:01:01,457 Such a great personality: son of God. 12 00:01:01,458 --> 00:01:05,333 He wanted to deliver God consciousness. 13 00:01:05,334 --> 00:01:17,456 And [in] return, he was crucified. 14 00:01:17,457 --> 00:01:20,889 We don’t take Jesus Christ very insignificantly. 15 00:01:20,890 --> 00:01:23,359 - We give [him] all honor. - Oh yeah. 16 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,534 He’s representative of God. 17 00:01:26,535 --> 00:01:33,212 He tried to preach according to the time, place, circumstances, country, people. 18 00:01:33,213 --> 00:01:36,107 Otherwise he is representative of God. 19 00:01:36,108 --> 00:01:41,549 Yeah; well they say he only preached for three years too. 20 00:01:41,550 --> 00:01:45,177 He could not preach even. 21 00:01:45,178 --> 00:01:52,420 - But still, in three years what he did is wonderful. - Yeah. 22 00:01:52,421 --> 00:01:54,523 Yeah; he’s a… 23 00:01:54,524 --> 00:02:00,866 - …world famous for the last two thousand years. - Yes, not joke. 24 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:03,449 Unless he’s God’s representative, 25 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:07,948 - how he can be so famous? - Yeah. 26 00:02:07,949 --> 00:02:11,810 That we know. 27 00:02:11,811 --> 00:02:18,300 I told in Melbourne, “So, what is your idea of Jesus Christ?” 28 00:02:18,301 --> 00:02:21,605 - “And he’s our guru,” I told. - Yeah; yeah. 29 00:02:21,606 --> 00:02:23,420 You remember that? 30 00:02:23,421 --> 00:02:27,092 - I don’t… That was at one of those… - The priest meeting. 31 00:02:27,093 --> 00:02:29,579 Yeah; I didn’t attend that; I wasn’t there. 32 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:33,976 They asked me: “And he’s our guru.” 33 00:02:33,977 --> 00:02:40,069 They very much appreciated. 34 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:43,875 He is preaching God consciousness, 35 00:02:43,876 --> 00:02:46,339 - so he is our guru, - Yeah. 36 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:52,039 spiritual master; that’s a fact; don’t take him otherwise. 37 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,827 He’s guru. 38 00:02:54,828 --> 00:02:56,931 - It’s just his nonsense followers. - Guruṣu nara-matiḥ. 39 00:02:56,932 --> 00:03:03,843 Such person, great personality, why shall think of him as ordinary human being? 40 00:03:03,844 --> 00:03:07,376 - That is nārakī-buddhi. - Yeah. 41 00:03:07,377 --> 00:03:12,795 Anyone who is preaching God’s glories: He is guru. 42 00:03:12,796 --> 00:03:15,937 So how can I decry him? 43 00:03:15,938 --> 00:03:23,949 He is guru. 44 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:27,112 tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12] 45 00:03:27,113 --> 00:03:43,087 - Unless one is guru how he can preach about God? - Yeah. 46 00:03:43,088 --> 00:03:47,182 - Actually we have a much better appreciation of… - Hmm? 47 00:03:47,183 --> 00:03:50,172 We have a much better appreciation of Jesus 48 00:03:50,173 --> 00:03:51,360 - Oh yes; oh yes. - than anyone. 49 00:03:51,361 --> 00:03:56,227 - ’cause we actually understand the value of the guru. - We are the greatest Christian. 50 00:03:56,228 --> 00:04:01,451 - Yeah. - We follow his instruction; we accept him as guru. 51 00:04:01,452 --> 00:04:05,771 Yeah. 52 00:04:05,772 --> 00:04:07,713 Without following the guru’s instructions, 53 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:10,260 there’s no question of appreciating who he is, 54 00:04:10,261 --> 00:04:28,558 or his work. 55 00:04:28,559 --> 00:04:36,316 And this word, Jesus, the Christ, it is not? 56 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:41,036 Well, originally they say it was “Jesus of the Christ.” 57 00:04:41,037 --> 00:04:43,971 - Meaning… Christ means… - God. 58 00:04:43,972 --> 00:04:45,606 Yes. 59 00:04:45,607 --> 00:04:50,233 So they… Originally it was “Jesus of the Christ,” meaning he was son of God. 60 00:04:50,234 --> 00:04:51,931 Yes. 61 00:04:51,932 --> 00:04:56,086 - That Christ is Kṛṣṇa. - Yeah. 62 00:04:56,087 --> 00:05:14,521 - Same word. - Hmm; Krisht; Krisht. 63 00:05:14,522 --> 00:05:16,983 Christ means Krisht, Krisht. 64 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:31,583 - Krishta is [a] vulgar expression of Kṛṣṇa. - Yeah. 65 00:05:31,584 --> 00:05:36,905 Now from his teaching, we can understand he is representative of God. 66 00:05:36,906 --> 00:05:43,038 Oh, yeah; he’s a… What he was teaching is exactly in accord with what we’re doing. 67 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:44,288 Yes. 68 00:05:44,289 --> 00:05:46,846 I was reading some of his instructions, 69 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:50,014 what he was giving to his original disciples. 70 00:05:50,015 --> 00:05:52,160 And he was… He gave them examples that, 71 00:05:52,161 --> 00:05:56,231 “The birds… They are not worrying about their food. 72 00:05:56,232 --> 00:05:57,722 God is supplying. 73 00:05:57,723 --> 00:05:59,742 So you should not worry for your food. 74 00:05:59,743 --> 00:06:01,804 - You should simply go out and preach.” - He said like that? 75 00:06:01,805 --> 00:06:05,688 Yeah; he said, “So what should you worry if you go out and preach? 76 00:06:05,689 --> 00:06:07,912 Do you think that God will not give to you? 77 00:06:07,913 --> 00:06:10,882 - He is giving to the birds.” - Yes; that is, our mission. 78 00:06:10,883 --> 00:06:13,344 Yeah. 79 00:06:13,345 --> 00:06:13,828 And he told them, 80 00:06:13,829 --> 00:06:18,613 “You should not worry for your food, for your clothing, for somewhere to stay. 81 00:06:18,614 --> 00:06:29,629 - If you preach then God will look after all those things.” - Yes. That’s a fact. 82 00:06:29,630 --> 00:06:32,166 And he had them give up everything. 83 00:06:32,167 --> 00:06:33,577 They had a common pool. 84 00:06:33,578 --> 00:06:35,628 Anyone that came to join him, 85 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:40,773 they would pool all their resources and share it among them. 86 00:06:40,774 --> 00:06:45,339 Anybody who was with nothing, he would get something. 87 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:50,252 They would get food and clothes, like that. 88 00:06:50,253 --> 00:06:51,765 We are planning like that. 89 00:06:51,766 --> 00:06:54,431 “Come. Take your food. 90 00:06:54,432 --> 00:06:56,260 Reside comfortably. 91 00:06:56,261 --> 00:06:57,183 Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.” 92 00:06:57,184 --> 00:07:04,658 - Yeah; we have no objection for feeding them. - No. 93 00:07:04,659 --> 00:07:07,345 He was an actual Vaiṣṇava. 94 00:07:07,346 --> 00:07:12,911 - Teaching Vaiṣṇava principles. - Oh, yes. 95 00:07:12,912 --> 00:07:15,911 If he has taken sometimes fish, there was no way. 96 00:07:15,912 --> 00:07:17,347 What can be done? 97 00:07:17,348 --> 00:07:23,117 Not for his sense gratification. 98 00:07:23,118 --> 00:07:23,119 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com