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RC BHU 1977-02-03 Jesus Christ--We Give Christ All Honor
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ANNOUNCER: Next
is a conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on February 3rd,
1977, in Bhubaneshwar, India.
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HARI-ŚAURI: You said
preaching is a thankless task.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Just see Jesus Christ—crucified.
- Yeah.
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What was his fault?
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He was crucified.
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- Of course, he was not crucified.
- No, but externally…
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Nobody can crucify him.
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- But the people are so thankless.
- That they wanted to do that.
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Such a great
personality: son of God.
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He wanted to deliver
God consciousness.
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And [in] return, he was crucified.
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We don’t take Jesus
Christ very insignificantly.
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- We give [him] all honor.
- Oh yeah.
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He’s representative of God.
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He tried to preach according to the time,
place, circumstances, country, people.
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Otherwise he is
representative of God.
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Yeah; well they say he only
preached for three years too.
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He could not preach even.
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- But still, in three years what he did is wonderful.
- Yeah.
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Yeah; he’s a…
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- …world famous for the last two thousand years.
- Yes, not joke.
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Unless he’s God’s representative,
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- how he can be so famous?
- Yeah.
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That we know.
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I told in Melbourne, “So, what
is your idea of Jesus Christ?”
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- “And he’s our guru,” I told.
- Yeah; yeah.
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You remember that?
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- I don’t… That was at one of those…
- The priest meeting.
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Yeah; I didn’t attend
that; I wasn’t there.
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They asked me:
“And he’s our guru.”
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They very much appreciated.
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He is preaching
God consciousness,
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- so he is our guru,
- Yeah.
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spiritual master; that’s a fact;
don’t take him otherwise.
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He’s guru.
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- It’s just his nonsense followers.
- Guruṣu nara-matiḥ.
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Such person, great personality, why shall
think of him as ordinary human being?
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- That is nārakī-buddhi.
- Yeah.
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Anyone who is preaching
God’s glories: He is guru.
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So how can I decry him?
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He is guru.
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tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet
[MU 1.2.12]
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- Unless one is guru how he can preach about God?
- Yeah.
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- Actually we have a much better appreciation of…
- Hmm?
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We have a much better
appreciation of Jesus
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- Oh yes; oh yes.
- than anyone.
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- ’cause we actually understand the value of the guru.
- We are the greatest Christian.
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- Yeah.
- We follow his instruction; we accept him as guru.
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Yeah.
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Without following the
guru’s instructions,
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there’s no question of
appreciating who he is,
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or his work.
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And this word, Jesus,
the Christ, it is not?
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Well, originally they say it
was “Jesus of the Christ.”
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- Meaning… Christ means…
- God.
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Yes.
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So they… Originally it was “Jesus of the
Christ,” meaning he was son of God.
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Yes.
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- That Christ is Kṛṣṇa.
- Yeah.
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- Same word.
- Hmm; Krisht; Krisht.
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Christ means Krisht, Krisht.
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- Krishta is [a] vulgar expression of Kṛṣṇa.
- Yeah.
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Now from his teaching, we can
understand he is representative of God.
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Oh, yeah; he’s a… What he was teaching
is exactly in accord with what we’re doing.
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Yes.
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I was reading some
of his instructions,
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what he was giving to
his original disciples.
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And he was… He gave
them examples that,
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“The birds… They are not
worrying about their food.
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God is supplying.
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So you should not
worry for your food.
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- You should simply go out and preach.”
- He said like that?
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Yeah; he said, “So what should you
worry if you go out and preach?
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Do you think that God
will not give to you?
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- He is giving to the birds.”
- Yes; that is, our mission.
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Yeah.
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And he told them,
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“You should not worry for your food, for
your clothing, for somewhere to stay.
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- If you preach then God will look after all those things.”
- Yes. That’s a fact.
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And he had them
give up everything.
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They had a common pool.
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Anyone that came to join him,
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they would pool all their resources
and share it among them.
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Anybody who was with nothing,
he would get something.
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They would get food
and clothes, like that.
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We are planning like that.
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“Come. Take your food.
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Reside comfortably.
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Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.”
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- Yeah; we have no objection for feeding them.
- No.
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He was an actual Vaiṣṇava.
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- Teaching Vaiṣṇava principles.
- Oh, yes.
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If he has taken sometimes
fish, there was no way.
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What can be done?
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Not for his sense gratification.
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