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RC BOM 1977-04-28 Animal Expertise
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ANNOUNCER: Next
is a conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on April 28th,
1977, in Bombay, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: [referring
to ants] Just see.
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One second, thousands came.
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BHAKTI−CARU: [Bengali]
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How quickly they come!
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And wherefrom they get out?
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Yeah, how…
How do they find out about it?
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- That’s what I don’t understand.
- That… They know.
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They…
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They were all over, and
the medicine was up here.
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Just like magic, they come.
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Yeah, how is it?
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I can’t understand it; I
really don’t understand it.
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GIRIRĀJA: Acintya-śakti.
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It must be Supersoul
telling them…
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- Yes.
- …that there’s something here.
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They… Do they smell it? No.
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Anyway, they are also
living entities like us.
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Whenever there is some sense of
enjoyment, they flock together.
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[Indistinct].
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They are expert more
than us; you cannot go.
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Suppose there is one lakh
of rupees downstairs.
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You can get it; you cannot go in
one minute; they can do that.
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- So they’re better than us?
- They’re expert.
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Suppose if I…
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If somebody informs that “In the corner
of the temple there is one lakh of rupees.
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Somebody has left,” you
cannot go in one minute.
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It will take at least ten minutes.
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But here it is kept—immediately.
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So how much expert
they are; just imagine.
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So why you are so proud that
you are scientist, you are expert?
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Nothing.
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- Here they come again.
- Everyone is working under nature’s law.
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They are working under
nature’s law in such a way.
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You cannot do that.
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Just see; they are
already in it again.
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There are many, many experts
from the lower-grade creatures.
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Ant hill.
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You are spending so much
money for skyscraper building.
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The ant, they construct big hill
as their residential quarters.
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Where they get their food?
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Where they get their…?
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But they are living.
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This is nature’s
study; now you can…
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So what is this? Āhāra-nidrā.
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For eating.
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So for these four principles:
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Eating, sleeping, sex, and
defense; everyone knows.
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But the human society: They
have made it a problem.
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These small ants, they also require
those things, but they have no problem.
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For defense they don’t
require atomic weapon.
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They know in their own
way how to defend.
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Cats, dogs, animals;
everyone knows.
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Struggling.
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Our human society: Advanced means
they are perplexed with these problems.
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The…
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The human life was
meant for self-realization.
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That problem left.
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They have created some problems which
the animals can solve in their own way.
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This is the present society.
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This political struggle and…
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What is their aim—objective?
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- To solve these problems.
- Yeah.
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Nothing more.
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nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma
…indriya-prītaye…
[SB 5.5.4]
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These four principles:
Sense gratification.
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The ant is also struggling.
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They wanted to enjoy the
little sugar in the here.
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We have given them.
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That’s a problem.
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They have to find
out somewhere else.
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Still they’re…
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Expecting.
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Hope against hope.
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This is struggle.
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That they do not see.
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They do… We have
got this valuable life.
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What we are doing?
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We are doing the same
thing as the small ants do.
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So what is the difference
between that life and this life?
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Therefore Kṛṣṇa comes that
“This is not your business.
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Your business is to surrender unto Me;”
sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66].
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That will be solved automatically.
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But they don’t.
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They take advantage of Bhagavad-gītā
and apply it for solving these problems.
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Gandhi and Bhagavad-gītā;
What is that? Political struggle.
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Such a rascal.
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And he’s leader?
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He does not know what is the
purpose of Bhagavad-gītā.
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Has Kṛṣṇa come down to speak how
to defend, how to eat, how to sleep?
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Is there any statement there?
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tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ
[Bg. 2.13]
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Solve this problem.
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This is the beginning
of Bhagavad-gītā.
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And who—nonsense—
understands this?
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tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
naiti…
[Bg. 4.9]
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This teaching… This is the
teaching of Bhagavad-gītā.
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And they are taking Bhagavad-
gītā for solving these problems.
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Ants’ struggle.
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Violence—nonviolence.
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So such big, big rascals are guiding
us; what their benefit they have given?
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And they are praised.
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Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ, saṁstutaḥ…
[SB 2.3.19]; he… he’s an animal.
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And he’s praised by some
small animals; that’s all.
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This is their position.
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They are not actual leader.
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They are animals, but because we
are small animals, we are praising.
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So it is very difficult to
understand our philosophy.
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But still, we have to preach.
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That is our mission.
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A little drop…
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Maybe like a film or less
than that… Still, they are…
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And again, when you
cleanse this, you kill them:
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You become implicated.
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You have killed.
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You have to suffer.
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They are disturbing; still,
you cannot kill them.
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This is your position.
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But people are, with Flit [a bug killer],
killing thousands of mosquitoes and flies:
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Becoming implicated.
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We shouldn’t kill them.
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What about [if] they’re biting you:
Right in the process of biting you?
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Hmm?
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Supposing a mosquito is biting
you and sucking the blood.
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Yes, when they bite, you can
kill, according to laws of nature.
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But on the whole, you cannot kill.
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- Cannot invent means…
- Therefore mosquito curtain.
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- Prevention.
- Prevention is better than…
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They are meant for [a] purpose.
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God has made.
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So instead of killing
them, you protect your…
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But if you are in the service of
the Lord, you are not responsible.
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One great Vaiṣṇava
was putting the…
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There were maggots eating in…
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That is all story you are
given; do not believe.
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But in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta
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- there’s a mention of one great…
- Vāsudeva.
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- -Vāsudeva.
-Hmm;
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- oh, yes.
- There was a leper,
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and out of compassion for them…
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Yes.
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He thought that “I am
meant for suffering.
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Why shall I stop it?”
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That is exceptional case.
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- Cannot imitate that.
- [indistinct] our position.
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