0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,494 RC BOM 1977-04-28 Animal Expertise 1 00:00:01,495 --> 00:00:03,404 ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation, 2 00:00:03,405 --> 00:00:09,053 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:09,054 --> 00:00:19,675 recorded on April 28th, 1977, in Bombay, India. 4 00:00:19,676 --> 00:00:24,942 PRABHUPĀDA: [referring to ants] Just see. 5 00:00:24,943 --> 00:00:32,132 One second, thousands came. 6 00:00:32,133 --> 00:00:36,819 BHAKTI−CARU: [Bengali] 7 00:00:36,820 --> 00:00:41,327 How quickly they come! 8 00:00:41,328 --> 00:00:45,721 And wherefrom they get out? 9 00:00:45,722 --> 00:00:48,353 TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Yeah, how… How do they find out about it? 10 00:00:48,354 --> 00:00:52,225 - That’s what I don’t understand. - That… They know. 11 00:00:52,226 --> 00:00:53,584 They… 12 00:00:53,585 --> 00:00:56,572 They were all over, and the medicine was up here. 13 00:00:56,573 --> 00:01:00,098 Just like magic, they come. 14 00:01:00,099 --> 00:01:03,773 Yeah, how is it? 15 00:01:03,774 --> 00:01:06,783 I can’t understand it; I really don’t understand it. 16 00:01:06,784 --> 00:01:09,678 GIRIRĀJA: Acintya-śakti. 17 00:01:09,679 --> 00:01:12,242 It must be Supersoul telling them… 18 00:01:12,243 --> 00:01:15,691 - Yes. - …that there’s something here. 19 00:01:15,692 --> 00:01:19,254 They… Do they smell it? No. 20 00:01:19,255 --> 00:01:22,498 Anyway, they are also living entities like us. 21 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:30,555 Whenever there is some sense of enjoyment, they flock together. 22 00:01:30,556 --> 00:01:32,635 [Indistinct]. 23 00:01:32,636 --> 00:01:37,885 They are expert more than us; you cannot go. 24 00:01:37,886 --> 00:01:41,782 Suppose there is one lakh of rupees downstairs. 25 00:01:41,783 --> 00:01:48,200 You can get it; you cannot go in one minute; they can do that. 26 00:01:48,201 --> 00:01:52,736 - So they’re better than us? - They’re expert. 27 00:01:52,737 --> 00:01:54,944 Suppose if I… 28 00:01:54,945 --> 00:02:00,475 If somebody informs that “In the corner of the temple there is one lakh of rupees. 29 00:02:00,476 --> 00:02:06,345 Somebody has left,” you cannot go in one minute. 30 00:02:06,346 --> 00:02:08,654 It will take at least ten minutes. 31 00:02:08,655 --> 00:02:12,914 But here it is kept—immediately. 32 00:02:12,915 --> 00:02:20,023 So how much expert they are; just imagine. 33 00:02:20,024 --> 00:02:24,114 So why you are so proud that you are scientist, you are expert? 34 00:02:24,115 --> 00:02:25,726 Nothing. 35 00:02:25,727 --> 00:02:30,307 - Here they come again. - Everyone is working under nature’s law. 36 00:02:30,308 --> 00:02:33,811 They are working under nature’s law in such a way. 37 00:02:33,812 --> 00:02:35,044 You cannot do that. 38 00:02:35,045 --> 00:02:43,925 Just see; they are already in it again. 39 00:02:43,926 --> 00:02:54,257 There are many, many experts from the lower-grade creatures. 40 00:02:54,258 --> 00:02:58,322 Ant hill. 41 00:02:58,323 --> 00:03:02,174 You are spending so much money for skyscraper building. 42 00:03:02,175 --> 00:03:14,002 The ant, they construct big hill as their residential quarters. 43 00:03:14,003 --> 00:03:15,556 Where they get their food? 44 00:03:15,557 --> 00:03:18,509 Where they get their…? 45 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:22,108 But they are living. 46 00:03:22,109 --> 00:03:30,858 This is nature’s study; now you can… 47 00:03:30,859 --> 00:03:37,385 So what is this? Āhāra-nidrā. 48 00:03:37,386 --> 00:03:40,199 For eating. 49 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,862 So for these four principles: 50 00:03:42,863 --> 00:03:50,585 Eating, sleeping, sex, and defense; everyone knows. 51 00:03:50,586 --> 00:03:58,153 But the human society: They have made it a problem. 52 00:03:58,154 --> 00:04:08,352 These small ants, they also require those things, but they have no problem. 53 00:04:08,353 --> 00:04:14,503 For defense they don’t require atomic weapon. 54 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:19,493 They know in their own way how to defend. 55 00:04:19,494 --> 00:04:23,411 Cats, dogs, animals; everyone knows. 56 00:04:23,412 --> 00:04:29,440 Struggling. 57 00:04:29,441 --> 00:04:39,711 Our human society: Advanced means they are perplexed with these problems. 58 00:04:39,712 --> 00:04:40,907 The… 59 00:04:40,908 --> 00:04:46,404 The human life was meant for self-realization. 60 00:04:46,405 --> 00:04:50,328 That problem left. 61 00:04:50,329 --> 00:05:02,673 They have created some problems which the animals can solve in their own way. 62 00:05:02,674 --> 00:05:08,393 This is the present society. 63 00:05:08,394 --> 00:05:11,950 This political struggle and… 64 00:05:11,951 --> 00:05:16,370 What is their aim—objective? 65 00:05:16,371 --> 00:05:20,149 - To solve these problems. - Yeah. 66 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:25,396 Nothing more. 67 00:05:25,397 --> 00:05:30,183 nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma …indriya-prītaye… [SB 5.5.4] 68 00:05:30,184 --> 00:05:35,400 These four principles: Sense gratification. 69 00:05:35,401 --> 00:05:39,877 The ant is also struggling. 70 00:05:39,878 --> 00:05:45,254 They wanted to enjoy the little sugar in the here. 71 00:05:45,255 --> 00:05:48,177 We have given them. 72 00:05:48,178 --> 00:05:50,173 That’s a problem. 73 00:05:50,174 --> 00:05:55,352 They have to find out somewhere else. 74 00:05:55,353 --> 00:05:57,177 Still they’re… 75 00:05:57,178 --> 00:05:59,785 Expecting. 76 00:05:59,786 --> 00:06:02,870 Hope against hope. 77 00:06:02,871 --> 00:06:11,493 This is struggle. 78 00:06:11,494 --> 00:06:12,984 That they do not see. 79 00:06:12,985 --> 00:06:16,234 They do… We have got this valuable life. 80 00:06:16,235 --> 00:06:18,804 What we are doing? 81 00:06:18,805 --> 00:06:25,018 We are doing the same thing as the small ants do. 82 00:06:25,019 --> 00:06:36,635 So what is the difference between that life and this life? 83 00:06:36,636 --> 00:06:40,953 Therefore Kṛṣṇa comes that “This is not your business. 84 00:06:40,954 --> 00:06:45,596 Your business is to surrender unto Me;” sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. 85 00:06:45,597 --> 00:06:50,116 That will be solved automatically. 86 00:06:50,117 --> 00:06:52,027 But they don’t. 87 00:06:52,028 --> 00:06:58,096 They take advantage of Bhagavad-gītā and apply it for solving these problems. 88 00:06:58,097 --> 00:07:04,276 Gandhi and Bhagavad-gītā; What is that? Political struggle. 89 00:07:04,277 --> 00:07:05,717 Such a rascal. 90 00:07:05,718 --> 00:07:09,845 And he’s leader? 91 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:15,619 He does not know what is the purpose of Bhagavad-gītā. 92 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:22,758 Has Kṛṣṇa come down to speak how to defend, how to eat, how to sleep? 93 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:29,192 Is there any statement there? 94 00:07:29,193 --> 00:07:32,458 tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ [Bg. 2.13] 95 00:07:32,459 --> 00:07:36,050 Solve this problem. 96 00:07:36,051 --> 00:07:37,907 This is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā. 97 00:07:37,908 --> 00:07:42,111 And who—nonsense— understands this? 98 00:07:42,112 --> 00:07:47,026 tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti… [Bg. 4.9] 99 00:07:47,027 --> 00:07:51,003 This teaching… This is the teaching of Bhagavad-gītā. 100 00:07:51,004 --> 00:07:55,419 And they are taking Bhagavad- gītā for solving these problems. 101 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:59,433 Ants’ struggle. 102 00:07:59,434 --> 00:08:07,853 Violence—nonviolence. 103 00:08:07,854 --> 00:08:15,627 So such big, big rascals are guiding us; what their benefit they have given? 104 00:08:15,628 --> 00:08:19,060 And they are praised. 105 00:08:19,061 --> 00:08:24,045 Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ, saṁstutaḥ… [SB 2.3.19]; he… he’s an animal. 106 00:08:24,046 --> 00:08:27,689 And he’s praised by some small animals; that’s all. 107 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:31,627 This is their position. 108 00:08:31,628 --> 00:08:35,066 They are not actual leader. 109 00:08:35,067 --> 00:08:55,064 They are animals, but because we are small animals, we are praising. 110 00:08:55,065 --> 00:08:59,500 So it is very difficult to understand our philosophy. 111 00:08:59,501 --> 00:09:03,784 But still, we have to preach. 112 00:09:03,785 --> 00:09:07,290 That is our mission. 113 00:09:07,291 --> 00:09:10,060 A little drop… 114 00:09:10,061 --> 00:09:26,454 Maybe like a film or less than that… Still, they are… 115 00:09:26,455 --> 00:09:31,710 And again, when you cleanse this, you kill them: 116 00:09:31,711 --> 00:09:36,214 You become implicated. 117 00:09:36,215 --> 00:09:42,556 You have killed. 118 00:09:42,557 --> 00:09:58,269 You have to suffer. 119 00:09:58,270 --> 00:10:01,747 They are disturbing; still, you cannot kill them. 120 00:10:01,748 --> 00:10:08,899 This is your position. 121 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:16,084 But people are, with Flit [a bug killer], killing thousands of mosquitoes and flies: 122 00:10:16,085 --> 00:10:20,503 Becoming implicated. 123 00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:24,279 We shouldn’t kill them. 124 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,929 What about [if] they’re biting you: Right in the process of biting you? 125 00:10:27,930 --> 00:10:28,726 Hmm? 126 00:10:28,727 --> 00:10:32,903 Supposing a mosquito is biting you and sucking the blood. 127 00:10:32,904 --> 00:10:40,921 Yes, when they bite, you can kill, according to laws of nature. 128 00:10:40,922 --> 00:10:43,677 But on the whole, you cannot kill. 129 00:10:43,678 --> 00:10:47,739 - Cannot invent means… - Therefore mosquito curtain. 130 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:52,509 - Prevention. - Prevention is better than… 131 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:54,931 They are meant for [a] purpose. 132 00:10:54,932 --> 00:10:57,410 God has made. 133 00:10:57,411 --> 00:11:02,537 So instead of killing them, you protect your… 134 00:11:02,538 --> 00:11:12,235 But if you are in the service of the Lord, you are not responsible. 135 00:11:12,236 --> 00:11:15,242 One great Vaiṣṇava was putting the… 136 00:11:15,243 --> 00:11:17,480 There were maggots eating in… 137 00:11:17,481 --> 00:11:20,509 That is all story you are given; do not believe. 138 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:22,459 But in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta 139 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:24,522 - there’s a mention of one great… - Vāsudeva. 140 00:11:24,523 --> 00:11:26,331 - -Vāsudeva. -Hmm; 141 00:11:26,332 --> 00:11:27,383 - oh, yes. - There was a leper, 142 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:29,981 and out of compassion for them… 143 00:11:29,982 --> 00:11:31,899 Yes. 144 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:36,015 He thought that “I am meant for suffering. 145 00:11:36,016 --> 00:11:44,043 Why shall I stop it?” 146 00:11:44,044 --> 00:11:48,535 That is exceptional case. 147 00:11:48,536 --> 00:11:56,149 - Cannot imitate that. - [indistinct] our position. 148 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:56,151 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com