RC DEL 1973-11-02 High Words Will Not Do
ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation,
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 2nd of November, 1973, in Delhi, India.
PRABHUPĀDA: …gopīs came with lust.
They became purified with Kṛṣṇa’s association.
Gopīs actually, superficially, externally, they are… Means, nitya-siddha:
ever-liberated expansion of Kṛṣṇa’s internal energy.
But apparently, they left their father, husband and came to Kṛṣṇa.
So that is, from Vedic principle, it is wrong.
One young girl cannot go to other young man,
giving up the protection of father, brother…
So they did it.
So they… According to Vedic principle, it is sinful.
But because it was related with Kṛṣṇa, they became purified.
That means any way, if one comes in contact with Kṛṣṇa, he becomes purified.
Even though he’s sinful.
That is Kṛṣṇa’s…
That is the benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Sun is never infected.
Rather, the infected area becomes sterilized by the sunshine.
This is the process.
That is explained: Tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29].
One who is very powerful: He has no fault.
So how your temperature is going on?
ŚYĀMASUNDARA: Everything is getting very nicely improved.
That’s nice.
You’ve had some cold?
BRAHMĀNANDA: Yeah.
I got everything, still, I haven’t got anything.
This is nice place; if you invite the neighboring…
- They may come and take advantage. - It looks like an American neighborhood.
- Eh? - It looks like an American neighborhood.
Yes; it is very nice place.
So you are also helping Tejas?
- Yes. - That’s nice.
Tomorrow morning I’m meeting with Indira Gandhi…
- Oh! - …and the American ambassador.
- Indira Gandhi comes one day… - Yes.
- …that will be very nice. - We’re thinking if we can get either one of those two,
- then everyone else will come. - Yes; it is very nice.
Indira Gandhi knows our movement.
- Is it not? - Yes.
I have approached her that…
that you are the greatest emissary of Indian culture outside of India.
That is a fact, but these rascals do not appreciate it.
- Others are appreciating. - Yes.
The foreign countries, they’re appreciating,
“Here is real Indian culture.”
- They should also appreciate by the result. - Hmm; yes; that’s the point.
- By the result, not theoretical. - No.
So we were showing pictures and books.
Every sane man should appreciate.
European and American young men, who are after material sense gratification,
they’re taking sannyāsa.
It is not joke.
They should appreciate it.
In an age where material sense enjoyment is very prominent,
and they give up everything for Kṛṣṇa,
and they’re going far away from their comfortable position…
Just like Brahmānanda has gone to Africa.
So what for?
Unless they appreciate Kṛṣṇa consciousness, how they take up this job?
This is practical.
There is no question of theoretical.
You said that last night when you spoke that about we are actually siddhas.
- Yes. - We are not…
- That I wanted to prove… - Yes.
…that these boys are siddhas.
- Others, they do not know what is siddhi. - They have not even left family connection, you said.
- That I… That Mr. Kokoor… - Yeah.
…talking high talks.
Simply high words will not do.
I think… I think it will be good, though, if we flattered Mrs. Gandhi.
- Yes. - Let her think that we are praising her
- leadership of the country. - No.
Yes, flatter that “You can say that you’ll be glorified when India will be glorified.
- So this culture will glorify India.” - Yes.
“And Prabhupāda has introduced.”
- It is now already… - “So you should cooperate with us.”
- Yeah. - “This is India’s original culture: Kṛṣṇa culture.”
And ninety-percent of the people… They are Kṛṣṇa devotees—of India.
- There is no doubt about it. - Yes.
So…
And this has got the potency of being spread all over the world.
- All over… - Hmm; yes.
Some news has come out in Jugantar that
Queen Elizabeth is reading our Bhagavad-gītā.
That was from that time David Wynne gave her that Bhagavad-gītā.
Oh.
…to read while she was sitting for him for the sculpture.
It has come to her attention.
I think he has told that story to several people, [and] the word has spread.
Oh.
- Where did you hear it from? - Anyway, that our architect, that… Mr. Lahiri
Oh, Mr. Lahiri.
- He has seen in the Jugantar Press. - It was in the newspaper here in India.
She did; she read it one day—in four hours!
Who arranged this meeting?
Well, we did.
Oh.
With the American Ambassador, we have left him today one copy of Bhagavad-gītā.
Oh; can refer that Mr… What is his last name… Mr?
- Kennith Keating. - Keat… Keating.
- Yes, I already have given him one copy… - He knows us very well.
- Yes. - Where is that… He gave us some letter?
I gave already that copy to the ambassador.
And did he… He liked this movement?
Also I gave the papers…
And “We are American.
- You can ask about this movement.” - I said that also.
I said, “Because most of your disciples are American,
- and you are an American practically…” - Ah.
“So you can test us; you can test us.”
No; that, “If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, naturally everything will be correct.”
Just like Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja was Kṛṣṇa conscious.
And can… You can read the portion during the reign of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja,
how nature was helping.
kāmaṁ vavarṣa [SB 1.10.4]
You keep one set of books here.
kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4]
“Due to Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s being Kṛṣṇa conscious, everything was going on nicely.
So…
So by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, you are on the post of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja.
So if you take standard, it will be good for everyone.
So far secular state is concerned: We are actually secular.
In this movement, all classes of men are here.”
I think, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you’ll have to preach to her.
She won’t listen to… If I can just get her to agree to be the chief guest.
- And accept the book; that is all right. - That… That’s all I can do.
Yes, yes.
-If you preach to her, she’ll listen. - Yes; yes.
- -She won’t listen if I preach to her. -No; no; no; that is not possible.
That I understand.
- You simply try to… - Induce her to come.
- Yes, to join us at least one day. - Yes.
- And accept the book, read it, - Yes.
at least the introductory portion, preface portion.
Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com