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RC LON 1976-07-27 A Wrong Civilization
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ANNOUNCER: Next
is a conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on July 27th,
1976, in London, England.
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PRABHUPĀDA: How nice it is.
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This is life.
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Green, down and
up, clear sky, sun.
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This is life.
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We get rejuvenation
in this atmosphere.
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What is this nonsense, all
skyscraper building, no air, no light?
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jagato ’hitāḥ
[Bg. 16.9]
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The mind becomes crippled.
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The health becomes deteriorated.
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Children cannot see even the sky.
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Everything is spoiled.
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KULĀDRI: Every day in the city they
make a report: pollution report.
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And they say you should go
outside or not go outside.
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Some days you are not… It is not good
for your health to leave your home.
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DEVOTEE: They are also
selling fresh air, Prabhupāda.
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- Fresh air.
- They are selling fresh air.
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- Fresh water, also.
HARI−ŚAURI: Yeah.
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In Tokyo they have
special machines:
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- you can get air, clean water.
- Fresh; by cleaning the urine?
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Now they are doing that.
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Fresh water by cleaning urine.
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Fat derived from stool;
yes, German people did it.
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Fat extracted from stool.
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Scientifically.
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You can use it with butter
very nice on your bread.
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This is going on.
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Some of the
materialists may not… may…
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may argue that these activities
are not all that unbenefic…
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are not all that unbeneficial.
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For example, they’ve…
they’ve made a tractor,
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and in America they can
produce so many grains,
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so much so that practically
they could feed the world.
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Why do they not?
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- Because their mentality is very abominable.
- [Indistinct]
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- Huh?
- Their mentality is very abominable.
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Do that.
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There are so many: overpopulation,
and you can do it in America.
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So much land lying vacant here.
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DHṚṢṬADYUMNA: Better to put
the people in factories in the fields.
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If they are going to work,
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- let them work growing grain and milking the cows.
- Yes; yes.
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Then they will live very
happily; that will not do.
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jagato ’hitāḥ
[Bg. 16.9]
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Read it.
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- Kṣayāya jagato ’hitāḥ [Bg. 16.9].
- Kṣayāya.
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Kṣayāya means for ruination.
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Bringing ruin; ruination.
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So save them from ruination.
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Actually I’ve seen in New
York, some quarter: so nasty.
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In London also: so nasty.
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Disaster.
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So many storefront
lying vacant; Houses.
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I was… When I had no business,
[I was] loitering to see the city.
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Hellish condition.
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They said it was risky… was risky,
but I did not know that it was risky.
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- One…
- Why um…
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electrician, he was my friend.
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So, “Oh, Swamiji, you are
going in those quarters?
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It is not for you; don’t go.”
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“I do not care.”
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What I have got they
will take from me?
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So I was loitering in New York City.
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So many nasty quarters.
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London also.
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So many houses vacant.
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There is more chance of being killed
in New York City than in the jungle.
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Yes; they warned me not to go to
the Central Park in the evening.
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They say at night
nobody goes there.
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- Except the thieves.
- Huh?
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Except the thieves and killer.
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Just see.
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Such an important city, and such [an]
important park, and nobody goes.
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Is there any stage at which the atheistic
people have done anything good
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by accident?
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- Hmm?
- Is there any step?
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- In the jungle…
- Therefore they support this accident theory.
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- Yes.
- They want me; nowadays they want…
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They have got the
accident [theory].
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Because ordinarily
there is no good.
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There is no possibility.
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But by accident if some
good comes, that’s all.
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Otherwise, jagato ’hitāḥ.
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It is only fault.
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They are…
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But accidentally
means good comes.
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Accidentally, Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement came.
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Although it was going on in India.
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Nobody called Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the
scientists, the philosophers, the politicians.
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But accidentally it came.
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[Indistinct] we got result.
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You cannot explain God,
therefore you take it as accident.
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This is very interesting.
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Very interesting.
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In a Vedic community everything is
very ordered, and goodness prevails.
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Therefore God consciousness
seems very natural.
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So?
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“Following such conclusions,
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the demoniac, who are lost to
themselves and who have no intelligence,
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engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world” [Bg 16.9].
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“The demoniac are engaged in activities
that will lead the world to destruction.
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The Lord states here that
they are less intelligent.
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The materialists, who have no concept
of God, think that they are advancing.
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But, according to Bhagavad-gītā, they
are unintelligent and devoid of all sense.
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They try to enjoy this material
world to the utmost limit
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and therefore always engage in inventing
something for sense gratification.
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Such materialistic inventions
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are considered to be the
advancement of human civilization,
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but the result is that people
grow more and more violent
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and more and more cruel,
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cruel to animals and cruel
to other human beings.
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They have no idea how to
behave toward one another.
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Animal killing is very prominent
amongst demoniac people.
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Such people are considered
the enemies of the world
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because ultimately they will
invent or create something
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which will bring destruction to all.
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Indirectly, this verse anticipates
the invention of nuclear weapons,
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of which the whole world
is today very proud.
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At any moment war may take place, and
these atomic weapons may create havoc.
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Such things are created solely
for the destruction of the world,
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and this is indicated here.
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Due to godlessness, such weapons
are invented in human society;
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they are not meant for the peace and
prosperity of the world” [Bg. 16.9 Purport].
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