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RC NEL 1976-01-08 Special Eyes
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 8th of
January, 1976, in Nellore, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: This is idea.
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Mano-rathena, by
mental speculation,
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asato dhavato, they will
come to materialism.
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As soon as they will hover
over mental concoction,
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they will remain in the material pool,
because mind is subtle form of matter.
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ACYUTĀNANDA: Also, in their evidences by
which they base their dialectic discussions,
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have they regarded
the Vedic scriptures?
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They have avoided them very
conveniently. No, there is no question
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of dialectic discussion.
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Suppose I am discussing, you
are discussing something,
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but if I am imperfect, you are imperfect,
what is the value of such discussion?
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That is the point.
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The party discussing something,
whether he is perfect?
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If he is not perfect,
then go on discussing.
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We first of all say that any conditioned
soul is defective, and that is admitted.
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They say, “We are not perfect.”
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“I think,” they say. “In
my opinion,” they say.
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Never they say, the so-
called scientists, “definite.”
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And they cannot say it.
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MAHAMSA: That is like Dr. Frog’s
philosophy when they speculate.
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Yes. Simply speculation.
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So that kind of discussion,
what is the value?
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GOPĀLA KṚṢṆA: It’s
always a hypothesis.
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If some children discuss some serious
subject matter, what is the value?
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And they are all children in
the cradle of nature, that’s all.
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Prakṛteḥ kriya…. Therefore it
is word, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni.
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Just like children—”Ha! Sit down
here”—he has to sit down.
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Then where is his
freedom to discuss?
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Prakṛti says that “You sit
down here. Don’t go there.”
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He has to accept.
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Then what is the
value of discussion?
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Mainly, these Karl Marx,
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they were angry at
the Christian church
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for exploiting the poor masses,
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and that’s the reason… This
is our… …so he has attacked.
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He has taken vengeance on this.
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That they are doing.
Still they are doing.
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Just like you said,
some sprinkling water.
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They have no philosophy and they violate
everything, what is stated there in Bible.
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Now you say that “Thou shall not kill;”
they say, “Thou shall not murder.”
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They are molding.
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Now this homosex they are
sanctioning, man-to-man marriage.
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They are sanctioning abortion.
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Yes. Two homosexuals
were married by a priest.
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Yes.
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: Now they have a church
where the priests are homosexuals
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and the attending
people are homosexual.
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Hm? Now they have
churches for homosex.
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That means the priest is a homosexual, and
the persons who come are homosexuals.
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A special church for homosexuals.
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Just see. Is that religion?
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YAŚODĀNANDANA: The
simple fact that the Christians
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have to sprinkle water
to convert means
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that they do not have any
potency to by philosophy,
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to preach to them with
strong philosophy. [SPLICE]
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[break] “…have allowed us to wither
away these different countries,
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and the religionists, they
are keeping all the food.
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They are not distributing it.”
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If we say that the
Russia has no grains,
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they will say that they are big wheat
producers in the southern part.
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They may counteract by
saying, “We also produce…”
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They had to purchase
wheat from America.
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GURUKEŚA: Russia is
importing its food grains now.
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So why they cannot produce
sufficient, such a big country?
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And Eastern Europe,
which is also communist,
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gets all its supplies from… PRABHUPĀDA:
No, what is their explanation.
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Russia is the biggest country.
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Land.
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HARI-ŚAURI: The reason
was that there was no rain.
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Then? Then you have to depend
on rain, and when we say,
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parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ… Hm?
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And yajñād bhavati
parjanyaḥ [Bg. 3.14].
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That means, rascal, you take one
side, that ardha-kukuti-nyāya.
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Cut the chicken half, and
separate the mouth—
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it is expensive—and
keep the rear side.
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You get eggs [laughter] So
this is ardha-kukuṭi-nyāya.
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The rascal does not know that if you
separate the mouth there will be no egg.
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They say that’s
depending upon nature.
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But they do not know who… The
word nature should be condemned.
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That…. No scientific-minded
person can say the word nature.
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No, they do not
know what is nature.
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Nature is an instrument, and
there must be an operator.
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So that they do not
know, the operator.
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Just like a child is thinking the
motorcar is going automatically.
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He does not know there is a driver.
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The child sees that
the airplane is flying.
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They think it is
automatically going.
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And there is a pilot,
he does not know.
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Similarly, these rascals, they are studying
nature, but nature is an instrument only.
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It is being operated by Kṛṣṇa.
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Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ
sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10].
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They have practical experience that
without operator a machine cannot work.
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In the huge machine, how it is
working unless there is operator?
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That they do not know.
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That’s what they
never trying to find.
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Mūḍhaḥ nābhijānāti mām
ebhyaḥ param avyayam [?].
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Find out this verse.
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Mūḍhaḥ nābhijānāti mām
ebhyaḥ param avyayam [?].
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Mūḍha. Therefore
they are all mūḍhas.
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So we are not going to
be misled by the mūḍhas.
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That is not possible.
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We take the instruction of the
topmost intelligent person, Kṛṣṇa.
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I think our Svarūpa
Dāmodara has said that.
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Where is that book?
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He has given: “Kṛṣṇa,
the topmost scientist.”
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Yes. “Perceiving the
supreme scientist, Śrī Kṛṣṇa.”
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He has given this article.
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How do we know that Vedavyāsa is
not defective like other living beings?
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Huh? How do we know that Vedavyasa
is not… He is not defective because
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he is speaking what he
has heard from Nārada.
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Therefore he is not defective.
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Just like we are speaking.
We are not perfect.
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We are also ordinary
human being,
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but people are taking that
“Bhaktivedanta Swami has done wonder.”
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What is that wonder?
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I am speaking Bhagavad-
gītā as it is, that’s all.
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Like the Mormon
religion in America…
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PRABHUPĀDA: No, no,
don’t bring any other….
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That is… He claimed
that an angel…
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If you accept….
We are taking from God.
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Kṛṣṇa instructed Brahmā,
Brahmā instructed Nārada,
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Nārada instructed Vyāsadeva,
and therefore we are taking.
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So it is a novel.
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Like Shakespeare wrote Hamlet…
Yes. It may be novel for you
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because we take you as a mūḍha.
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We don’t give any credit. We say….
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Find out this, mūdho nābhijānāti
mām ebhyaḥ param [?]. I have this,
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mūḍho ’yam nābhijānāti loko mām
ajam avyayam [Bg. 7.25]? Hm hm.
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Nāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya
yoga-māyā-samāvṛtaḥ
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mūḍho ’yam nābhijānāti loko
mām ajam avyayam [Bg. 7.25].
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”I am never manifest to the foolish
and unintelligent.” Yes, the fools.
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He does not know Kṛṣṇa;
therefore he is fool.
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Read it.
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“For them I am covered by My
eternal creative potency, yogamāyā,
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and so the deluded world knows Me
not, who am unborn and infallible.”
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So who is fool is defined
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as avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā
mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritaḥ [Bg. 9.11].
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Hm?
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Who is a fool, that is defined in the
other verse, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā.
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Yes. Mānuṣīṁ tanum āśri…
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That one who considers Kṛṣṇa as
ordinary human being, he is mūḍha.
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So read the purport.
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“It may be argued that since
Kṛṣṇa was present on this earth
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and was visible by everyone,
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then why isn’t He manifest
to everyone now?
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But actually, He was not
manifest to everyone.
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When Kṛṣṇa was present there
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were only a few people
who could understand Him
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to be the Supreme
Personality of Godhead.
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In the assembly of Kurus,
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when Śiśupāla spoke against Kṛṣṇa
being elected president of the assembly,
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Bhīṣma supported Him and proclaimed
Him to be the Supreme God.
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Similarly, the Pāṇḍavas and a few others…”
Sisupala could not see,
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although Kṛṣṇa was present
there, but Bhisma could see.
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So you require special eyes.
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Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām
[Bg. 10.10]. Yes.
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Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-
vilocanena santaḥ… [Bs. 5.38].
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So unless you are qualified,
how you can see Kṛṣṇa?
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This is the point.
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Kṛṣṇa is there, and the rascal
Śiśupāla could not see Him,
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but Bhisma could see Him.
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So they say, “Can you show me
God?” Even God comes before you,
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unless you have got the qualified
eyes you cannot see Him.
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Therefore qualification
required. Premāñjana-cchurita.
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When your eyes will be
annointed with, what is called?
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Salve of love. Ointment.
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Salve of love. Ointment.
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Savoth? Salve, salve.
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What is the spelling?
Salve, s-a-l-v-e.
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Oh, salve of love, yes.
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So that is required. Your….
Therefore tat-paratvena nirmalam.
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You have to make your senses
purified; then bhakti will begin.
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Otherwise it is karma.
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If your senses are not
purified, then it is karma.
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There is a difference
between karma and….
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Premāñjana-cchurita…
What is that?
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Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam
[Cc. Madhya 19.170].
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If you think yourself that “I am American,”
“I am Indian,” “I am brāhmaṇa,” “I am this,”
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“I am that,” then you are not upādhi-
mukta; therefore you cannot see Kṛṣṇa.
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You can see Kṛṣṇa when you are no
more within these upādhis, pure soul.
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Brahma…. That is
real brahma-bhūtaḥ,
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to understand the position of the soul and
engage the soul in the service of the Lord.
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Then it is perfect. Go on.
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“Similarly, the Pāṇḍavas and a few
others knew that He was the Supreme,
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but not everyone. He was not revealed to
the nondevotees and the common men.
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Therefore in the Gītā Kṛṣṇa says
that but for His pure devotees,
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all men consider Him
to be like themselves.
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He was manifest only to His devotees
as the reservoir of all pleasure.
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But to others, to
unintelligent nondevotees,
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He was covered by
His eternal potency.
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In the prayers of Kunti in the
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam [1.8.18],
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it is said that the Lord is covered
by the curtain of yogamāyā,
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and thus ordinary people
cannot understand Him.
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Kuntī prays: ‘Oh my Lord, You are
the maintainer of the entire universe,
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and devotional service to You is
the highest religious principle.
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Therefore I pray that You
will also maintain me.
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Your transcendental form is
covered by the yoga-māyā.
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The brahmajyoti is the covering
of the internal potency.
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May You kindly remove
this glowing effulgence
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that impedes my seeing Your
sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1],
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Your eternal form of
bliss and knowledge.’
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This yogamāyā curtain is also mentioned
in the Fifteenth Chapter of the Gītā.
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The Supreme
Personality of Godhead
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in His transcendental form
of bliss and knowledge
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is covered by the eternal
potency of brahmajyoti,
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and the less intelligent impersonalists
cannot see the Supreme on this account.
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Also in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam
[10.14.7] there is this prayer by Brahmā:
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’O Supreme Personality
of Godhead, O Supersoul,
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O master of all mystery, who can calculate
Your potency and pastimes in this world?
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You are always expanding
Your eternal potency,
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and therefore no one
can understand You.
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Learned scientists
and learned scholars
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can examine the atomic constitution of
the material world or even the planets,
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but still they are unable to
calculate Your energy and potency,
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although You are present before them.’
The Supreme Personality of Godhead,
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Lord Kṛṣṇa, is not only unborn,
but He is avyaya, inexhaustible.
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His eternal form is bliss and knowledge,
and His energies are all inexhaustible.”
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Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com