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RC TOK 1975-01-27 'Mixture' Means Mixer
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation.
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 27th of
January, 1975, in Tokyo, Japan.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …flowers, fruits, oh the
temperature is changing; it is rotating.
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Very fixed up, very timely.
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How can you say
there is no control?
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How can you say?
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The animals cannot say, but any
human being can… hmm… can say,
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“There is control; otherwise how
things are going on like this?” [splice]
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“…there is no controller.”
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asatyam…
jagad āhur anīśvaram
[Bg. 16.8]
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Where is that verse? find out:
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jagad āhur anīśvaram
[Bg. 16.8]
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NITĀI: That’s text 8.
- Ahh; what does it say?
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It says, asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ
te, jagad āhur anīśvaram
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aparaspara-sambhūtaṁ
kim anyat kāma-haitukam
[Bg. 16.8]
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Translation.
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“They say that this world is unreal,
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that there is no foundation
and there is no God in control.
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It is produced of sex desire, and
has no cause other than lust.”
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They think… The asura… The
distinction between asura and sura.
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The asura will say,
“There is no control.”
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Anīśvaram.
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Īśvaram means controller.
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Anīśvaram means
without any controller.
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Then how it has come into existence?
How it is working so nicely?
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So, they answer it: kāma-
haitukam [Bg 16.8].
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Kāma-haitukam means just like a
man and woman mix… mix together,
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then there is sex desire and
there is a production of child.
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There is no question of controlling.
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It is timely interaction
of different elements.
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This is called kāma-haitukam.
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So what is that other?
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Asatyam…
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- Asatyam a….
- And others…
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Other atheists in the dress of very good
sannyāsī: They said, jagad mithyā; mithyā.
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But they say also, brahma
satya; they accept Brahmān.
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They are not so atheist;
at least they accept.
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Then?
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- Jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8].
- Ah, Jagad āhur anīśvaram.
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There is no God.
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It has come automatically
by interaction.
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But even it is so, how the interaction is
taking place? That is intell… intelligence.
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Interaction… Just
like acid and alkali.
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They say oil and caustic soda.
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These are two chemicals and
mixing them: Interaction.
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The result is soap.
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Accepting this principle…
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But there must be a mixer:
A person who is mixing.
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Otherwise, how the soap
and oil is being mixed?
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The soap is there and the oil is there
and the caustic soda is also there…
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That is material ingredient.
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But they are not coming
together automatically.
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That is not possible.
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Where is the evidence?
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There are so many soap factories.
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And let them keep oil and caustic
soda and there is no question of labor.
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Let them become soap?
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Where is that evidence?
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But these rascals say like that.
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aparaspara-sambhūtam
[Bg 16.8]
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Interaction of the two things.
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But where is the
interaction of two things
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unless it is arranged by
some third element?
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Where is the evidence?
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So these are foolish theories:
That there is no God.
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Things are taking place automatically
and things are coming out.
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These are all foolish theories.
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There is no evidence.
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Pramāṇa; there must be evidence.
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Otherwise…
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Just like science means simply not to see
observation that things are taking place…
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But experiment.
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It must be substantiated
by experiment.
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Just like theoretically—everyone knows—
that two chemicals: soda and alkali
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mixes together and there is
interaction—effervescence.
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But who is mixing
this alkali and acid?
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There must be.
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Therefore, the answer is
there in the Bhagavad-gītā:
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mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ
suyate sa-carācaram
[Bg. 9.10]
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“Under My superintendence.”
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That is God.
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Under God’s superintendence
things are coming.
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parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate
[Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8]
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He has got many multi powers and…
hmm… I mean to say… energies.
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They are working.
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Just like in nowadays electronic.
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You type your “a”
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and thousand miles away another
typewriter will strike immediately
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“a;” is it not?
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- It is called? What is called?
PARAMAHAṀSA: Telex.
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Telex?
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- Not Telex; Telex is also on the same thing.
DEVOTEES: Teletype.
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Teletype; yes.
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You push here “a” and the other
end the “a” will immediately strike.
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There is no need of
another person typing.
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But how it is being done?
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There is electronic arrangement
by higher scientist.
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Not that… Ordinary
typewriter will not… There.
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Suppose if you keep one typewriter at
your brother’s place and you push it here.
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Will it strike there?
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Why? Because there
is no arrangement.
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There is no arrangement.
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So these are common sense but
the rascals will not understand.
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That without a touch of the living
entity nothing can be done.
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The supreme living entity is Kṛṣṇa.
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Therefore it is said, mayādhyakṣeṇa
prakṛtiḥ suyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10].
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“I am the cause of the
material energy working.”
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Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva
śrūyate; there is parasya śaktiḥ.
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Now who can explain how this
flower has come into existence?
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There is same thing.
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The energy of Kṛṣṇa is working.
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Just like you want to
paint one nice flower.
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So you have to take the brush and
the color and you have to endeavor.
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Not that automatically
coming: This beautiful flower.
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So how do you think this beautiful
flower has come automatically?
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This is foolishness.
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There is also the brush, the paint,
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but it is so perfect that just like you cannot
see how the other typewriter is striking.
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You cannot say it is
automatically striking.
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There is arrangement.
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But this arrangement
you do not understand.
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Therefore you are foolish,
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you are thinking that this
typewriter is striking automatically.
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It is not automatically.
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Here the other
typewriter it is stroken
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and there is electric
arrangement and it is striking.
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So you have to understand
like… That is sura.
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And asura: They will say,
“No, there is no God.
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It is taking automatically, it is
going on;” this is foolishness.
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Asura means foolish: First-
class foolish; that’s all.
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Why it has become so?
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That is explained here.
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That they do not
know how to behave:
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…nāpi cācāro
na satyaṁ teṣu vidyate
[Bg 16.7]
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Neither they know
what is the actual truth.
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They are defective themself and they
are explaining in the defective way
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that so many rascal chemists they say that
the chemical evolution is the cause of life.
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What is this nonsense?
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Chemical evolution: You get the chemicals
and make experiment: Produce life!
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Then your proposal is all right that by
chemical evolution there is life. [splice]
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So why do you talk
foolishly like that?
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This should be challenged that “You
are foolish number one.” [splice]
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…try to obstruct us,
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because if everyone becomes Kṛṣṇa
conscious then they can’t cheat anyone.
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Now Acyutānanda Swami:
He went to some place.
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There was a big sannyāsī.
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Very well-known sannyāsī.
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So, he went to sell some
books in their āśrama.
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So one of his student[s]—
one of his disciple[s]:
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He canvassed Acyutānanda, “Why don’t
you ask some question to Swamiji?”
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He clearly said, “I have nothing
to question from your Swamiji.
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I know better than him.”
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So actually bring any so-called
yogis, swamis or incarnation.
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Our student will challenge him.
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He does not know anything.
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We have got such a nice book
of knowledge: Bhagavad-gītā.
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By the arguments and
[indistinct] in the Bhagavad-gītā
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we can capture all these
rascals and nonsense.
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