0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,934 RC TOK 1975-01-27 'Mixture' Means Mixer 1 00:00:15,935 --> 00:00:17,977 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation. 2 00:00:17,978 --> 00:00:23,328 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,329 --> 00:00:47,700 recorded on the 27th of January, 1975, in Tokyo, Japan. 4 00:00:47,701 --> 00:00:53,439 PRABHUPĀDA: …flowers, fruits, oh the temperature is changing; it is rotating. 5 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,719 Very fixed up, very timely. 6 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,004 How can you say there is no control? 7 00:01:00,005 --> 00:01:02,527 How can you say? 8 00:01:02,528 --> 00:01:07,076 The animals cannot say, but any human being can… hmm… can say, 9 00:01:07,077 --> 00:01:12,714 “There is control; otherwise how things are going on like this?” [splice] 10 00:01:12,715 --> 00:01:14,172 “…there is no controller.” 11 00:01:14,173 --> 00:01:22,851 asatyam… jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8] 12 00:01:22,852 --> 00:01:25,092 Where is that verse? find out: 13 00:01:25,093 --> 00:01:26,636 jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8] 14 00:01:26,637 --> 00:01:29,724 NITĀI: That’s text 8. - Ahh; what does it say? 15 00:01:29,725 --> 00:01:35,069 It says, asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ te, jagad āhur anīśvaram 16 00:01:35,070 --> 00:01:39,884 aparaspara-sambhūtaṁ kim anyat kāma-haitukam [Bg. 16.8] 17 00:01:39,885 --> 00:01:41,643 Translation. 18 00:01:41,644 --> 00:01:43,865 “They say that this world is unreal, 19 00:01:43,866 --> 00:01:48,021 that there is no foundation and there is no God in control. 20 00:01:48,022 --> 00:01:52,685 It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust.” 21 00:01:52,686 --> 00:01:56,613 They think… The asura… The distinction between asura and sura. 22 00:01:56,614 --> 00:02:01,443 The asura will say, “There is no control.” 23 00:02:01,444 --> 00:02:02,707 Anīśvaram. 24 00:02:02,708 --> 00:02:04,868 Īśvaram means controller. 25 00:02:04,869 --> 00:02:07,892 Anīśvaram means without any controller. 26 00:02:07,893 --> 00:02:12,369 Then how it has come into existence? How it is working so nicely? 27 00:02:12,370 --> 00:02:17,341 So, they answer it: kāma- haitukam [Bg 16.8]. 28 00:02:17,342 --> 00:02:24,798 Kāma-haitukam means just like a man and woman mix… mix together, 29 00:02:24,799 --> 00:02:29,378 then there is sex desire and there is a production of child. 30 00:02:29,379 --> 00:02:31,585 There is no question of controlling. 31 00:02:31,586 --> 00:02:37,045 It is timely interaction of different elements. 32 00:02:37,046 --> 00:02:41,441 This is called kāma-haitukam. 33 00:02:41,442 --> 00:02:45,005 So what is that other? 34 00:02:45,006 --> 00:02:46,252 Asatyam… 35 00:02:46,253 --> 00:02:48,249 - Asatyam a…. - And others… 36 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:59,242 Other atheists in the dress of very good sannyāsī: They said, jagad mithyā; mithyā. 37 00:02:59,243 --> 00:03:02,699 But they say also, brahma satya; they accept Brahmān. 38 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,946 They are not so atheist; at least they accept. 39 00:03:06,947 --> 00:03:08,549 Then? 40 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:12,046 - Jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8]. - Ah, Jagad āhur anīśvaram. 41 00:03:12,047 --> 00:03:14,342 There is no God. 42 00:03:14,343 --> 00:03:18,575 It has come automatically by interaction. 43 00:03:18,576 --> 00:03:25,913 But even it is so, how the interaction is taking place? That is intell… intelligence. 44 00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:32,283 Interaction… Just like acid and alkali. 45 00:03:32,284 --> 00:03:36,380 They say oil and caustic soda. 46 00:03:36,381 --> 00:03:41,979 These are two chemicals and mixing them: Interaction. 47 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:43,903 The result is soap. 48 00:03:43,904 --> 00:03:46,831 Accepting this principle… 49 00:03:46,832 --> 00:03:51,356 But there must be a mixer: A person who is mixing. 50 00:03:51,357 --> 00:03:55,462 Otherwise, how the soap and oil is being mixed? 51 00:03:55,463 --> 00:04:02,459 The soap is there and the oil is there and the caustic soda is also there… 52 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:04,674 That is material ingredient. 53 00:04:04,675 --> 00:04:06,998 But they are not coming together automatically. 54 00:04:06,999 --> 00:04:08,782 That is not possible. 55 00:04:08,783 --> 00:04:11,432 Where is the evidence? 56 00:04:11,433 --> 00:04:13,836 There are so many soap factories. 57 00:04:13,837 --> 00:04:19,673 And let them keep oil and caustic soda and there is no question of labor. 58 00:04:19,674 --> 00:04:21,373 Let them become soap? 59 00:04:21,374 --> 00:04:22,964 Where is that evidence? 60 00:04:22,965 --> 00:04:25,323 But these rascals say like that. 61 00:04:25,324 --> 00:04:27,964 aparaspara-sambhūtam [Bg 16.8] 62 00:04:27,965 --> 00:04:30,363 Interaction of the two things. 63 00:04:30,364 --> 00:04:32,987 But where is the interaction of two things 64 00:04:32,988 --> 00:04:36,556 unless it is arranged by some third element? 65 00:04:36,557 --> 00:04:39,250 Where is the evidence? 66 00:04:39,251 --> 00:04:42,743 So these are foolish theories: That there is no God. 67 00:04:42,744 --> 00:04:47,078 Things are taking place automatically and things are coming out. 68 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:48,449 These are all foolish theories. 69 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:50,788 There is no evidence. 70 00:04:50,789 --> 00:04:52,859 Pramāṇa; there must be evidence. 71 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:53,636 Otherwise… 72 00:04:53,637 --> 00:05:00,962 Just like science means simply not to see observation that things are taking place… 73 00:05:00,963 --> 00:05:03,303 But experiment. 74 00:05:03,304 --> 00:05:06,908 It must be substantiated by experiment. 75 00:05:06,909 --> 00:05:13,469 Just like theoretically—everyone knows— that two chemicals: soda and alkali 76 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:18,377 mixes together and there is interaction—effervescence. 77 00:05:18,378 --> 00:05:22,597 But who is mixing this alkali and acid? 78 00:05:22,598 --> 00:05:23,963 There must be. 79 00:05:23,964 --> 00:05:27,170 Therefore, the answer is there in the Bhagavad-gītā: 80 00:05:27,171 --> 00:05:31,185 mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ suyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10] 81 00:05:31,186 --> 00:05:32,978 “Under My superintendence.” 82 00:05:32,979 --> 00:05:34,213 That is God. 83 00:05:34,214 --> 00:05:38,033 Under God’s superintendence things are coming. 84 00:05:38,034 --> 00:05:40,722 parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8] 85 00:05:40,723 --> 00:05:47,247 He has got many multi powers and… hmm… I mean to say… energies. 86 00:05:47,248 --> 00:05:49,321 They are working. 87 00:05:49,322 --> 00:05:53,642 Just like in nowadays electronic. 88 00:05:53,643 --> 00:05:55,563 You type your “a” 89 00:05:55,564 --> 00:05:59,251 and thousand miles away another typewriter will strike immediately 90 00:05:59,252 --> 00:06:02,185 “a;” is it not? 91 00:06:02,186 --> 00:06:05,079 - It is called? What is called? PARAMAHAṀSA: Telex. 92 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,233 Telex? 93 00:06:07,234 --> 00:06:11,112 - Not Telex; Telex is also on the same thing. DEVOTEES: Teletype. 94 00:06:11,113 --> 00:06:12,562 Teletype; yes. 95 00:06:12,563 --> 00:06:20,205 You push here “a” and the other end the “a” will immediately strike. 96 00:06:20,206 --> 00:06:23,523 There is no need of another person typing. 97 00:06:23,524 --> 00:06:26,507 But how it is being done? 98 00:06:26,508 --> 00:06:31,657 There is electronic arrangement by higher scientist. 99 00:06:31,658 --> 00:06:35,642 Not that… Ordinary typewriter will not… There. 100 00:06:35,643 --> 00:06:41,178 Suppose if you keep one typewriter at your brother’s place and you push it here. 101 00:06:41,179 --> 00:06:44,008 Will it strike there? 102 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:46,972 Why? Because there is no arrangement. 103 00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:48,342 There is no arrangement. 104 00:06:48,343 --> 00:06:52,559 So these are common sense but the rascals will not understand. 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:59,048 That without a touch of the living entity nothing can be done. 106 00:06:59,049 --> 00:07:01,982 The supreme living entity is Kṛṣṇa. 107 00:07:01,983 --> 00:07:07,000 Therefore it is said, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ suyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10]. 108 00:07:07,001 --> 00:07:13,022 “I am the cause of the material energy working.” 109 00:07:13,023 --> 00:07:16,472 Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate; there is parasya śaktiḥ. 110 00:07:16,473 --> 00:07:21,280 Now who can explain how this flower has come into existence? 111 00:07:21,281 --> 00:07:23,758 There is same thing. 112 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,487 The energy of Kṛṣṇa is working. 113 00:07:26,488 --> 00:07:29,944 Just like you want to paint one nice flower. 114 00:07:29,945 --> 00:07:35,971 So you have to take the brush and the color and you have to endeavor. 115 00:07:35,972 --> 00:07:39,118 Not that automatically coming: This beautiful flower. 116 00:07:39,119 --> 00:07:42,532 So how do you think this beautiful flower has come automatically? 117 00:07:42,533 --> 00:07:44,728 This is foolishness. 118 00:07:44,729 --> 00:07:47,256 There is also the brush, the paint, 119 00:07:47,257 --> 00:07:56,023 but it is so perfect that just like you cannot see how the other typewriter is striking. 120 00:07:56,024 --> 00:07:58,668 You cannot say it is automatically striking. 121 00:07:58,669 --> 00:07:59,963 There is arrangement. 122 00:07:59,964 --> 00:08:03,301 But this arrangement you do not understand. 123 00:08:03,302 --> 00:08:04,328 Therefore you are foolish, 124 00:08:04,329 --> 00:08:07,978 you are thinking that this typewriter is striking automatically. 125 00:08:07,979 --> 00:08:09,490 It is not automatically. 126 00:08:09,491 --> 00:08:12,738 Here the other typewriter it is stroken 127 00:08:12,739 --> 00:08:17,228 and there is electric arrangement and it is striking. 128 00:08:17,229 --> 00:08:20,046 So you have to understand like… That is sura. 129 00:08:20,047 --> 00:08:23,391 And asura: They will say, “No, there is no God. 130 00:08:23,392 --> 00:08:27,354 It is taking automatically, it is going on;” this is foolishness. 131 00:08:27,355 --> 00:08:35,358 Asura means foolish: First- class foolish; that’s all. 132 00:08:35,359 --> 00:08:38,513 Why it has become so? 133 00:08:38,514 --> 00:08:40,990 That is explained here. 134 00:08:40,991 --> 00:08:44,432 That they do not know how to behave: 135 00:08:44,433 --> 00:08:47,967 …nāpi cācāro na satyaṁ teṣu vidyate [Bg 16.7] 136 00:08:47,968 --> 00:08:52,024 Neither they know what is the actual truth. 137 00:08:52,025 --> 00:08:57,290 They are defective themself and they are explaining in the defective way 138 00:08:57,291 --> 00:09:03,612 that so many rascal chemists they say that the chemical evolution is the cause of life. 139 00:09:03,613 --> 00:09:06,512 What is this nonsense? 140 00:09:06,513 --> 00:09:12,913 Chemical evolution: You get the chemicals and make experiment: Produce life! 141 00:09:12,914 --> 00:09:19,134 Then your proposal is all right that by chemical evolution there is life. [splice] 142 00:09:19,135 --> 00:09:21,795 So why do you talk foolishly like that? 143 00:09:21,796 --> 00:09:27,145 This should be challenged that “You are foolish number one.” [splice] 144 00:09:27,146 --> 00:09:29,372 …try to obstruct us, 145 00:09:29,373 --> 00:09:37,060 because if everyone becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious then they can’t cheat anyone. 146 00:09:37,061 --> 00:09:41,191 Now Acyutānanda Swami: He went to some place. 147 00:09:41,192 --> 00:09:43,215 There was a big sannyāsī. 148 00:09:43,216 --> 00:09:45,605 Very well-known sannyāsī. 149 00:09:45,606 --> 00:09:51,114 So, he went to sell some books in their āśrama. 150 00:09:51,115 --> 00:09:53,442 So one of his student[s]— one of his disciple[s]: 151 00:09:53,443 --> 00:10:01,561 He canvassed Acyutānanda, “Why don’t you ask some question to Swamiji?” 152 00:10:01,562 --> 00:10:05,915 He clearly said, “I have nothing to question from your Swamiji. 153 00:10:05,916 --> 00:10:12,372 I know better than him.” 154 00:10:12,373 --> 00:10:19,136 So actually bring any so-called yogis, swamis or incarnation. 155 00:10:19,137 --> 00:10:21,315 Our student will challenge him. 156 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:24,034 He does not know anything. 157 00:10:24,035 --> 00:10:28,513 We have got such a nice book of knowledge: Bhagavad-gītā. 158 00:10:28,514 --> 00:10:32,478 By the arguments and [indistinct] in the Bhagavad-gītā 159 00:10:32,479 --> 00:10:40,603 we can capture all these rascals and nonsense. 160 00:10:40,604 --> 00:10:40,605 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com