RC VRN 1976-09-07 Spiritual Happiness and Suicidal Monkey
ANNOUNCER: Next are excerpts from a conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on September 7th, 1976, in Vṛndāvana, India.
PRABHUPĀDA: Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has said, ei ’ta kali-celā.
Here is a disciple of Kali.
Nāke tilaka galāi mālā
But has got a tilaka on the forehead and neckbeads on the neck.
But is Kali-celā—number one disciple of Kali.
You know this song?
Kali-celā.
These persons who are committing sinful life—don’t say anyone [laughs] or publish—
there was a trouble.
But that’s a fact.
Those who are living in Vṛndāvana and acting like monkey, they’ll get next life —
a monkey. To remain in Vṛndāvana, and then next life they will be liberated.
In one life all their sinful activities will be punished.
Because as soon as animal life is obtained,
there is no more further record of the sinful life.
The animals cannot make sinful activities more than what is destined by him.
But their sinful activity is not taken into account.
For this man who is offered this monkey’s body,
he suffers the inconvenience of monkey life.
So his sinful activities are counteracted,
and because he came to Vṛndāvana and lived in Vṛndāvana
by the mercy of Rādhārāṇī, next life he will be…
That is the glory of Vṛndāvana-dhāma.
Otherwise what is the explanation
of these dogs and hogs and monkeys in Vṛndāvana?
If it is dhāma-aparādha, committing offense in dhāma.
Dhāma-aparādha. As dhāma-bhajana,
if one undergoes devotional service out of Vṛndāvana
and one executes devotional service in Vṛndāvana,
that is hundred times better.
Similarly dhāma-aparādha also.
This aparādha, when offense is committed outside Vṛndāvana,
that is not so grievous as committing offense in Vṛndāvana.
Dhāma-aparādha.
So the punishment is there, but the reward is also there.
One life makes pardoned.
Tat te ’nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇo
bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam [SB 10.14.8].
Therefore a devotee in a reverse condition of life, he understands that “I am punished.
Little punished for my previous mischievous activities.
So now I am becoming liberated.”
So he becomes more enthused to worship the Lord,
that “You are finishing my sinful reaction of life with slight punishment.
Thank you very much.
This is devotee.
tat te ’nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇaḥ
HARIKEŚA: The dogs and monkeys, they feel grateful?
Yes, when they come to sense they feel grateful.
As dogs they cannot.
As dog or monkey they cannot enhance their sinful activities.
It is stopped.
And whatever they do, that is not taken into account.
And to suffer as dog or monkey means counteracting all previous sins.
One punishment finished.
Then he’s fully liberated.
I was always wondering that if somebody’s desire is to commit sinful activities…
No, in Kali-yuga if you desire it is not sinful. And act…
If they desire to commit sinful activities and before they became monkeys,
but then they were doing it then.
So whilst they’re monkeys their desire must change.
Or is it forced, that change forced upon them by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa?
But if desire changes, then where is punishment?
If he’s repentant, then there is no punishment.
So before they go back to the spiritual world that desire must change.
This is forceful change.
That is the advantage of Vṛndāvana bhajana.
That is very good.
But not that willfully do something wrong.
There is punish… There is punishment.
If one unconsciously, without any knowledge,
does something wrong, that is excused.
But they do willfully.
They know it is wrong, but still they do it.
That is punished.
Knowingly.
Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally said, asat eka strī-saṅgī.
Those who are habituated to illicit sex are punishable.
Asat.
It is very, very bad.
And still if somebody does like that, he is punished.
This is going on. “All right.”
Here illicit sex… The bābājīs, I heard, they say, “What is the wrong there? It is love.”
They say like that.
They take it as love.
Gopī’s love,” they say.
Gopī’s used to do that, used to have illicit mixing,
intermingling with Kṛṣṇa. What is wrong?” They’ll say.
They get support from Kṛṣṇa līlā.
Such rogues they are.
Sahajiyās.
There are many so-called gentlemen, they write books on Kṛṣṇa līlā, paint picture.”
This is very nice.
Kṛṣṇa is advocating illicit intermingling.”
They take it as support of their sinful activities.
I have seen personally.
Anyone who is a woman-hunter, he’s being addressed by his friend,
“Oh, you are like Kṛṣṇa.”
They take Kṛṣṇa as a man.
How they will take instruction of Kṛṣṇa?
avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ” “paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ [Bg 9.11]
We are teaching people to become Kṛṣṇa conscious,
to become servant of Kṛṣṇa, and the so-called gentlemen,
enlightened gentlemen, take Kṛṣṇa as a debauch.
Black debauch. [splice]
Many monkeys were deported by the government but people protested.
They were capturing monkeys…
Here?
Yes. Government.
And selling at good price in Europe for taking their hormone.
The monkey’s hormone is injected or replaced so one regains his sex power.
They are very sexually strong.
That must interfere with that monkey’s spiritual life.
That interferes with the spiritual life of the monkey?
Because then he can’t die in Vṛndāvana.
It is further from them.
Everything is being done by superior arrangement.
Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1].
People should learn all these things
by practical example instead of becoming irresponsible
and without any obedience to the superior law.
They should learn it, but they have no intelligence.
They think, “We are all free.”
Where from the monkey is coming, why there are so many varieties of life,
how it is…? What do they know?
Nothing.
All bluff, vague explanation and that is going on in the name of science.
Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com