RC VRN 1976-09-09 What Have They (Godbrothers) Done
ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation,
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on September 7th, 1976, in Vṛndāvana, India.
AKṢAYĀNANDA: So the preaching in India has to be done very, very tactfully.
PRABHUPĀDA: No, just like I was speaking from Bhāgavatam.
Just what you have spoken.
But our actions must be very tactful also.
If you speak only on the subject matter as it is mentioned in the books,
- Yes. - it is already tactful.
Jaya, but if we add something…
Yasyāṁ śrūyamāṇāyāṁ kṛṣṇe parama-pūruṣe,
- bhaktir utpadyate puṁsaḥ śoka-moha-bhayāpahā {?]. - Yeah.
Now they are in a position of śoka-moha-bhaya.
So you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
This is the best tact.
Now it is the time; now they are put into śoka-moha-bhaya.
It is already there going on, śoka-moha-bhaya.
But it is now special time for śoka-moha-bhaya.
So you have to take it.
- Just like… - It may be out of fear, bhaya,
then they may take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
- Still, they have to just take, that’s all. - Yes.
catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ janāḥ sukṛtino ’rjuna ārto [Bg. 7.16]
Ārto.
Ārtaḥ means who is afraid of: Ārto.
This is the position of ārta: śoka-moha-bhaya.
Take to [Kṛṣṇa consciousness].
But that he can take provided he is sukṛtina; if there is background.
But still, by hearing Hare Kṛṣṇa he becomes sukṛtina.
- I think most of the devotees became by fear. - Eh?
I think [indistinct] most of the devotees have become devotees because of fear.
Fear must be; if he’s a gentleman he must be afraid of this material world.
That is very good qualification.
If one is afraid of this material existence, it is very good symptom.
Just about every devotee, before coming to you, has thought about suicide.
- Hmm? - Just about… So many; so many!
I know; I have spoken with them.
And myself included.
- So many devotees… - Yes, there was no hope; what is the use.
Yes!
Just about every devotee; they have thought of suicide.
Yes, they commit suicide; I have seen.
Fall from the… HARI−ŚAURI: Skyscraper.
- Yes; tower. - Some have died.
From the bridge.
They have to put big wire screens up to stop people from jumping off.
HARIKEŚA: Berkeley.
Everywhere; Sydney has some bridges like that: so big.
These big towers like Eiffel Tower in Paris…
They have big fences along the top so that no one can…
This practice is there in [the] Vedic system.
Not Vedic system, [indistinct], fall down.
There is technical name.
Fall down from the mountain.
This is easier than other type of suicide.
Because you simply once jump, but as soon as you fall, you forget everything.
Suicide itself is very bad.
- This fall down… - [indistinct]
So one…
One question I wanted to ask you in this connection,
is that this Vinobha, fasting until death, until cow slaughter is stopped.
So if he dies then he is guilty of murder.
Is it correct?
And if he’s a brāhmaṇa, he is guilty of brahma-hatya.
So he is… By…
By this fasting he is committing a greater sin than the actual killing of the cows.
- You’re right. - What is the gain?
And what he’ll get it?
Does he think that by his dying of starvation this cow-killing will be stopped?
- Won’t be stopped! - That is his foolishness.
He will die and it will go on.
-Yes, that is his foolishness. - And where…
He does not know where he will go next.
Just see, he is [Hindi], very big man, and he’s such a rascal.
He has no sense what he is doing.
- Plainly you have described in the Gītā. - Huh?
You have described plainly in the Gītā.
No one else has done that.
Cinmayananda’s, this, that rascal, no one has.
No one has explained that.
They don’t know.
Anyone who is not in our disciplic succession, he’s not a human being.
Cinmayananda, Vivekananda, this-ānanda, they simply… Ānanda, there is no ānanda.
Only nirānanda.
- What… - Cinmayananda:
He is supposed to be very big sannyāsī, what he has done?
What has he done?
He advertised in the paper for young boys.
Yes; there is one gentleman: Sadajivatra in Bombay.
You know him?
Sadaji Mahatma?
Sadajivatra.
[Indistinct] yeah.
- Hindu proprietor. - I know about him; I know of him.
- He is very intelligent. - Yeah.
He has said to a friend, that Bhaktivedanta Swami [Hindi].
Kāla means, that he has made all other so-called sannyāsīs, yogis, black-faced.
Jaya; he is intelligent.
Bhaktivedanta Swami sata mukala [?].
It is true.
True.
Now here is a big sannyāsī, Akhandanandan, or Bon Maharaja.
They are supposed to be big, big sannyāsī.
I do not know what Akhandanandan…
- Anyway… - [indistinct].
- Yeah; They say… - And this Anandamaya.
- Yeah. - Actually I am not proud,
- but what [have they] done in comparison to me? - Yes, they’ve done nothing.
- They’ve done nothing. - He has said sata mukala.
Mukala. - Kāla: Kāla means lajjita.
- Black face. - Black face.
Everyone should be ashamed.
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