0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,061 SB 6-01-10 HON 1976-05-11 There Is No Culture & Education 1 00:00:16,062 --> 00:00:20,841 ANNOUNCER: The following is a class on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, 6th canto, 2 00:00:20,842 --> 00:00:24,521 1st chapter, text number 10, 3 00:00:24,522 --> 00:00:30,411 given by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 4 00:00:30,412 --> 00:00:47,981 recorded on the 11th of May, 1976, in Honolulu, Hawaii. 5 00:00:47,982 --> 00:01:08,891 PRABHUPĀDA: [devotees repeat] Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya [?]. 6 00:01:08,892 --> 00:01:13,671 Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Sixth Canto, First Chapter, 7 00:01:13,672 --> 00:01:16,511 verse number ten [devotees repeat] [splice] 8 00:01:16,512 --> 00:01:30,271 So Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he said that everyone in this material world know what is, 9 00:01:30,272 --> 00:01:38,122 to some extent at least, or to his capacity, knows “This is right” or “This is wrong.” 10 00:01:38,123 --> 00:01:43,862 May not be very advanced in knowledge, but something they know, 11 00:01:43,863 --> 00:01:47,322 “This is right; this is wrong.” 12 00:01:47,323 --> 00:01:51,412 So criminality we have described. 13 00:01:51,413 --> 00:01:59,202 Everyone knows “This is not good,” but he is punished. 14 00:01:59,203 --> 00:02:00,832 Again he does that. 15 00:02:00,833 --> 00:02:05,912 So Parīkṣit Mahārāja said, “What is the use of this atonement?” 16 00:02:05,913 --> 00:02:14,732 He further explains in this verse that kvacin nivartate abhadrāt. 17 00:02:14,733 --> 00:02:19,442 Abhadra means unclean, wrong things. 18 00:02:19,443 --> 00:02:24,192 Bhadra means right thing. Bhadra and abhadra. 19 00:02:24,193 --> 00:02:32,122 In India bhadra means gentleman and abhadra means uncivilized man. 20 00:02:32,123 --> 00:02:40,802 So sometimes he does like gentlemen and sometimes like foolish rascal. 21 00:02:40,803 --> 00:02:45,492 Kvacin nivartate ’bhadrāt kvacic carati tat punaḥ [SB 6.1.10]. 22 00:02:45,493 --> 00:02:50,882 After coming from the prison house, jail, he decides, “No more I shall commit. 23 00:02:50,883 --> 00:02:53,922 I shall now become gentleman.” 24 00:02:53,923 --> 00:02:58,642 But as soon as his friends, criminals, 25 00:02:58,643 --> 00:03:05,062 again mix with them, he again commits the same sinful activity. 26 00:03:05,063 --> 00:03:08,242 So in this condition, atonement, 27 00:03:08,243 --> 00:03:15,843 if he cannot change his character, so what is the use of this atonement? 28 00:03:15,844 --> 00:03:18,783 Prāyaścittam atho ’pārtham [SB 6.1.10]. 29 00:03:18,784 --> 00:03:21,423 Apārtham means useless. 30 00:03:21,424 --> 00:03:26,363 If he cannot change his character, change his mind, 31 00:03:26,364 --> 00:03:35,023 then the punishment or prāyaścittam is apārtha, useless. 32 00:03:35,024 --> 00:03:36,253 How useless? 33 00:03:36,254 --> 00:03:42,773 Manye, “I think it is as useless as kuñjara-śaucavat.” 34 00:03:42,774 --> 00:03:45,723 Kuñjara means elephant. 35 00:03:45,724 --> 00:03:50,463 Elephants taking bath. 36 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:55,303 Perhaps you have not seen. In India we had some opportunity. 37 00:03:55,304 --> 00:04:03,583 They wash the body very nicely, repeatedly throwing water with the trunk, 38 00:04:03,584 --> 00:04:09,023 and as soon as come on the shore of the tank, 39 00:04:09,024 --> 00:04:12,723 again take some dust and throws over the body. 40 00:04:12,724 --> 00:04:18,083 We have to study from nature that how is that. 41 00:04:18,084 --> 00:04:22,583 This rascal washed so nicely his body, and immediately, 42 00:04:22,584 --> 00:04:27,863 coming out of the tank, he throws dust. 43 00:04:27,864 --> 00:04:31,423 Śaucye manye kuñjara-śaucavat [?]. 44 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:34,170 Very appropriate. 45 00:04:34,171 --> 00:04:39,710 It is that hasti-snāna. In Sanskrit it is called hasti-snāna. 46 00:04:39,711 --> 00:04:44,100 Snāna means bathing and hasti means elephant. 47 00:04:44,101 --> 00:04:50,610 So if we are not changing our character, 48 00:04:50,611 --> 00:04:57,520 then what is the use of advancement of knowledge, education? 49 00:04:57,521 --> 00:05:07,150 That I told you yesterday, that in spite of so-called advancement of education, 50 00:05:07,151 --> 00:05:10,320 culture, science, philosophy, 51 00:05:10,321 --> 00:05:17,980 the result is when you go to the airport you are proved you are a dishonest man. 52 00:05:17,981 --> 00:05:22,170 Everyone is checked means everyone is dishonest, it is to be supposed. 53 00:05:22,171 --> 00:05:26,710 Maybe some honest men, but the majority are dishonest. 54 00:05:26,711 --> 00:05:32,730 Even there is somebody honest he also… Gardulika pravāha[?] 55 00:05:32,731 --> 00:05:39,010 Majority… Nowadays it is democratic days, majority. 56 00:05:39,011 --> 00:05:43,260 So as this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement 57 00:05:43,261 --> 00:05:47,810 is also taken as one of the sentimental movements… 58 00:05:47,811 --> 00:05:53,841 It is the most scientific movement, but because there are so many gurus, 59 00:05:53,842 --> 00:06:01,951 rascals, they imagine something and cheat people. People want to be cheated. 60 00:06:01,952 --> 00:06:05,001 They take advantage. 61 00:06:05,002 --> 00:06:09,481 So we are also one of them, because majority is this. 62 00:06:09,482 --> 00:06:14,041 “It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.” 63 00:06:14,042 --> 00:06:20,571 When everyone is rascal, to become intelligent is rascaldom. 64 00:06:20,572 --> 00:06:24,431 Otherwise you say, “I am also a rascal.” Then it is all right. 65 00:06:24,432 --> 00:06:29,181 If you say, “No, you are rascal,” then there is fight. 66 00:06:29,182 --> 00:06:31,921 So this is going on. 67 00:06:31,922 --> 00:06:37,411 Actually it will be explained in the next verse. 68 00:06:37,412 --> 00:06:40,981 Parīkṣit Mahārāja puts a very intelligent question, 69 00:06:40,982 --> 00:06:44,851 that “What is the use of this kind of prāyaścitta, atonement? 70 00:06:44,852 --> 00:06:47,111 It has no use.” 71 00:06:47,112 --> 00:06:52,671 So as the student is intelligent, 72 00:06:52,672 --> 00:06:59,831 the spiritual master is also gradually giving him more intelligence. 73 00:06:59,832 --> 00:07:06,461 First of all, for ordinary man the atonement, punishment, he proposed. 74 00:07:06,462 --> 00:07:12,541 But when the student, intelligent student, Mahārāja Parīkṣit said, “It is useless,” 75 00:07:12,542 --> 00:07:16,472 then next proposal is, 76 00:07:16,473 --> 00:07:23,302 karmaṇā karma-nirhāro na hy ātyantika iśyate 77 00:07:23,303 --> 00:07:30,732 avidvad-adhikāritvāt prāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam Avidyā [?]. 78 00:07:30,733 --> 00:07:36,342 If somebody is kept into darkness, 79 00:07:36,343 --> 00:07:43,722 then there is no use of this punishment or prāyaścitta. 80 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:50,462 So he proposes that the man in darkness should be educated. 81 00:07:50,463 --> 00:07:52,132 Vimarśanam. 82 00:07:52,133 --> 00:07:59,352 Vimarśanam means cultivation of knowledge, culture. 83 00:07:59,353 --> 00:08:02,112 So where is that culture? 84 00:08:02,113 --> 00:08:05,062 There is no culture. 85 00:08:05,063 --> 00:08:11,752 We propose that the beginning of culture is no illicit sex. 86 00:08:11,753 --> 00:08:13,762 This is the beginning. 87 00:08:13,763 --> 00:08:17,302 Who is accepting that? 88 00:08:17,303 --> 00:08:21,652 “Illicit sex? Why illicit sex? Sex is sex.” 89 00:08:21,653 --> 00:08:24,042 No, that is the beginning of culture 90 00:08:24,043 --> 00:08:29,402 because in the dog society there is no marriage, 91 00:08:29,403 --> 00:08:33,492 and why in the human society there is marriage? 92 00:08:33,493 --> 00:08:35,853 They could avoid it. 93 00:08:35,854 --> 00:08:38,333 Nowadays they are being avoided. 94 00:08:38,334 --> 00:08:41,513 In the Kali-yuga there will be no more marriage. 95 00:08:41,514 --> 00:08:44,663 That is stated in the Bhāgavata. 96 00:08:44,664 --> 00:08:46,103 It is stated. 97 00:08:46,104 --> 00:08:53,163 Five thousand years ago it was foretold that during Kali-yuga, 98 00:08:53,164 --> 00:08:56,303 svīkāram eva hi udvāhe [?]. 99 00:08:56,304 --> 00:08:59,963 Just see. This is called śāstra. 100 00:08:59,964 --> 00:09:07,963 Five thousand years ago it was foretold that marriage means agreement. 101 00:09:07,964 --> 00:09:11,043 It will be in Kali-yuga. 102 00:09:11,044 --> 00:09:14,133 Svīkāram eva hi udvāhe [?]. 103 00:09:14,134 --> 00:09:16,508 This is called śāstra. 104 00:09:16,509 --> 00:09:21,988 Bhūr bhaviṣyat vartamāna, everything. 105 00:09:21,989 --> 00:09:26,608 That is śāstra and that is perfect knowledge. 106 00:09:26,609 --> 00:09:30,309 And dam-patye ratir eva hi [?]. 107 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:34,529 Rati means sex satisfaction. 108 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:38,199 So husband and wife means sex satisfaction. 109 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:47,129 It will be the standard of man and woman’s relationship. 110 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:52,129 Dam-patye ratim eva hi [?]. Vipratve sūtram eva hi [?]. 111 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:55,749 To become a brāhmaṇa means a thread, 112 00:09:55,750 --> 00:10:00,329 a two-cent worth, one thread. That’s all. 113 00:10:00,330 --> 00:10:03,229 This is going on. These are all foretold. 114 00:10:03,230 --> 00:10:05,909 So that is being explained. 115 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:13,099 So, karmaṇā karma-nirhāro na hy ātyantika iśyate 116 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:21,949 avidvad-adhikāritvāt prāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam [?]. 117 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:30,589 So the guru, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, has examined Parīkṣit Mahārāja, 118 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:35,419 and it appears that the king has passed one phase of examination 119 00:10:35,420 --> 00:10:39,619 by rejecting the process of atonement. 120 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:41,579 This is intelligence. 121 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:45,199 lmmediately said, “Guru, what is this?” 122 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,779 He has rejected. 123 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:53,659 Rejecting the process of atonement because it involves fruitive activities, 124 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:55,319 karma. 125 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,919 Karma. 126 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:07,520 I have committed some sinful activity, then other, another karma to punish me. 127 00:11:07,521 --> 00:11:14,310 So here it is said by… One karma cannot be nullified by another karma. 128 00:11:14,311 --> 00:11:16,330 Karma means activity. 129 00:11:16,331 --> 00:11:22,390 They are going on, passing resolution after resolution and laws after laws, 130 00:11:22,391 --> 00:11:27,630 but things are in the same position. They are not changing. 131 00:11:27,631 --> 00:11:30,755 Therefore it cannot be checked in that way. 132 00:11:30,756 --> 00:11:34,370 Karmaṇā karma-nirhāra. 133 00:11:34,371 --> 00:11:40,010 Now Śukadeva Gosvāmī is suggesting the platform of speculative knowledge. 134 00:11:40,011 --> 00:11:47,410 When it has failed that a thief repeatedly committing criminal activities, 135 00:11:47,411 --> 00:11:54,410 repeatedly he is being punished but he is not corrected, then what is the remedy? 136 00:11:54,411 --> 00:11:59,450 That is vimarśanam, speculative knowledge. 137 00:11:59,451 --> 00:12:03,690 Progressing from karma- kāṇḍa to jñāna-kāṇḍa, 138 00:12:03,691 --> 00:12:12,600 he is proposing prāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam: Real atonement is full knowledge. 139 00:12:12,601 --> 00:12:15,510 One should be given knowledge. 140 00:12:15,511 --> 00:12:18,090 Unless one comes to the knowledge… 141 00:12:18,091 --> 00:12:22,540 So modern education there is no real knowledge. 142 00:12:22,541 --> 00:12:25,380 Real knowledge begins in the Bhagavad-gītā. 143 00:12:25,381 --> 00:12:29,650 Those who have read Bhagavad-gītā, the first understanding, 144 00:12:29,651 --> 00:12:32,490 Arjuna was given lesson. 145 00:12:32,491 --> 00:12:36,301 When he was perplexed and he became a disciple of Kṛṣṇa, 146 00:12:36,302 --> 00:12:39,834 śiṣyas te ’haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [?]: 147 00:12:39,835 --> 00:12:43,361 “Kṛṣṇa, let us stop this friendly talking. 148 00:12:43,362 --> 00:12:47,631 Now I agree to become Your disciple. 149 00:12:47,632 --> 00:12:48,971 Now You teach me.” 150 00:12:48,972 --> 00:12:52,111 So the first teaching was chastisment. 151 00:12:52,112 --> 00:12:56,891 Aśocyān anvaśocas tvaṁ prajñā-vādāṁś ca bhāṣase [Bg. 2.11] [?]: 152 00:12:56,892 --> 00:12:59,321 “You have no knowledge.” 153 00:12:59,322 --> 00:13:03,161 Gātāsun agatāsūṁś ca nānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ [?]: 154 00:13:03,162 --> 00:13:08,231 “You are talking like a paṇḍita but you are not paṇḍita.” 155 00:13:08,232 --> 00:13:10,731 He indirectly said, “You are a fool,” 156 00:13:10,732 --> 00:13:16,951 because nānuśocanti, “This kind of thinking is not maintained by learned scholars.” 157 00:13:16,952 --> 00:13:19,791 That means “You are not a learned man.” 158 00:13:19,792 --> 00:13:22,201 That is going on at the present moment. 159 00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:27,111 Everyone is thinking that he is very highly elevated, learned, 160 00:13:27,112 --> 00:13:29,441 but he is fool number one. 161 00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:32,801 That is going on because there is no standard knowledge. 162 00:13:32,802 --> 00:13:37,561 Sanātana Gosvāmī also, when he approached Caitanya Mahāprabhu, 163 00:13:37,562 --> 00:13:39,421 he also said the same thing. 164 00:13:39,422 --> 00:13:41,161 He was in the sense. 165 00:13:41,162 --> 00:13:42,751 He was prime minister. 166 00:13:42,752 --> 00:13:46,042 He was very learned scholar in Sanskrit and Urdu— 167 00:13:46,043 --> 00:13:50,672 in those days Urdu because it was Muhammadan government. 168 00:13:50,673 --> 00:13:55,862 But he thought it wise that “They call me learned scholar, 169 00:13:55,863 --> 00:13:58,712 but what kind of scholar I am?” 170 00:13:58,713 --> 00:14:01,272 He put this question before Caitanya. 171 00:14:01,273 --> 00:14:05,422 Grāmya vyavahāre kahaye paṇḍita satya kari māni [?], 172 00:14:05,423 --> 00:14:11,672 āpanāra hitāhita kichui nāhi jāni [?]: “My dear Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, 173 00:14:11,673 --> 00:14:17,662 these common men, they say that I am M.A, Ph.D, D.A.C. and so on, so on. 174 00:14:17,663 --> 00:14:20,682 I am very learned scholar. 175 00:14:20,683 --> 00:14:28,582 But I am so big scholar that I do not know what I am and what is my aim of life. 176 00:14:28,583 --> 00:14:29,302 Just see.” 177 00:14:29,303 --> 00:14:33,442 Ask any so-called scholar that “What is the aim of life?” 178 00:14:33,443 --> 00:14:35,162 He cannot say. 179 00:14:35,163 --> 00:14:39,992 The aim of life is the same like the dog: eat, drink, be merry, and enjoy, and die. 180 00:14:39,993 --> 00:14:42,152 That’s all. 181 00:14:42,153 --> 00:14:44,432 So where is education? 182 00:14:44,433 --> 00:14:46,012 There is no education. 183 00:14:46,013 --> 00:14:53,163 Real education is different, that one must know his own position and act accordingly. 184 00:14:53,164 --> 00:14:56,903 That you can get from Vedic knowledge. 185 00:14:56,904 --> 00:15:00,643 Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet 186 00:15:00,644 --> 00:15:05,203 samit-pāniḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma- niṣṭham [MU 1.2.12]. Brahma-niṣṭham. 187 00:15:05,204 --> 00:15:12,323 If one has no sense to understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, 188 00:15:12,324 --> 00:15:16,053 he is no better than the dog and cat. 189 00:15:16,054 --> 00:15:17,723 No credit. 190 00:15:17,724 --> 00:15:22,253 According to Vedic civilization anyone who is thinking, “I am this body,” 191 00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:28,563 and doing accordingly—for the bodily pleasure he is working so hard— 192 00:15:28,564 --> 00:15:30,743 so that is not knowledge. 193 00:15:30,744 --> 00:15:35,123 Here it is suggested that prāyaścittam vimarsanam. 194 00:15:35,124 --> 00:15:41,583 If you want to be saved from the tribulation offered by the material nature, 195 00:15:41,584 --> 00:15:50,923 then you have to very thoughtful, thinking that what is the actual position. 196 00:15:50,924 --> 00:15:56,933 That is the beginning of Vedānta-sūtra, that “You inquire about Brahman, 197 00:15:56,934 --> 00:15:57,953 the Absolute Truth.” 198 00:15:57,954 --> 00:16:00,783 Athāto brahma jijñāsā. This human form of life, 199 00:16:00,784 --> 00:16:06,393 don’t spoil it like cats and dogs, eating, sleeping, mating and dancing. 200 00:16:06,394 --> 00:16:07,923 No. 201 00:16:07,924 --> 00:16:15,843 So, so same dancing, same eating can be utilized when it is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 202 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:19,324 Then he will be… Simply by dancing and chanting 203 00:16:19,325 --> 00:16:22,974 and taking prasādam you’ll be learned scholar. 204 00:16:22,975 --> 00:16:29,155 Thank you very much [end] 205 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:29,157 Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com