Morning Walk Conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
April 27, 1973, Los Angeles

Prabhupada: The cloud is, a cloud is darker today.

Brahmananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: Dark cloud means there is water?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes. The amount of water is more.

Prabhupada: Asitambuda-sundarangam. Anande bolo hari bhaja vrndavana.

Svarupa Damodara: The Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s song, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Narottama dasa’s song, yes. (pause)

Passer-by: Good morning.

Prabhupada: Good morning. And good morning to your dogs.

Passer-by: Good morning!

Prabhupada: Good morning. Thank you. Hare Krsna. Oh! Big.

Svarupa Damodara: Muscles.

Prabhupada: Another. (pause) The Japanese, they eat this seaweed.

Brahmananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. It is good for the fish-eaters, because it has got fishy taste, although it is vegetable. (pause) Those who are fish- eaters, even by smelling fish, fishy, they’ll increase their appetite. Is it not?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. Habit is like that. (pause)

Brahmananda: You once said that the urad dahl is a good substitute for that fish taste.

Prabhupada: Yes. Not taste.

Svarupa Damodara: Protein.

Prabhupada: It is containing protein. Taste is also. (pause) This seaweeds, all over the ocean. When passing ship, you can see. All over. Where is their roots? Because the ocean is very deep, the root grows from the bottom?

Karandhara: No, it doesn’t have roots.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Karandhara: Doesn’t have roots. Floats on top of the water. (pause)

Svarupa Damodara: Hari guru vaisnava?

Prabhupada: Hari guru vaisnave.

Svarupa Damodara: Vaisnave?

Prabhupada: Majaiya man. (pause) [break] …any sea-going ship ?

Karandhara: Well, they travel…

Prabhupada: Eh?

Karandhara: It’s not really a well-traveled route. The ones that do travel are usually out farther in the channel. There’s a big point. So they just go farther out so they don’t have to curve around, all around the coast. [break]

Prabhupada: …animals, goes like this?

Karandhara & Svarupa Damodara: Crabs?

Karandhara: Crabs and lobsters, yeah.

Brahmananda: Birds. (pause)

Prabhupada: They have got suitable beak, suitable beak to capture. Yes. (pause) What is this big bird?

Brahmananda: A seagull.

Prabhupada: They also eat fish?

Brahmananda: Fish and garbage, everything.

Prabhupada: Oh. (pause)

Svarupa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada? If we add the conservation of energy from the invocation of Isopanisad, it will be a great challenge to science.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. That is conservation of energy. Purnam idam, purnam idam purnat purnam udacyate [Isopanisad, Invocation].

Svarupa Damodara: The understanding in science is that if I burn a piece of wood, that wood contains originally cellulose. So it has certain amount carbons, and a certain amount hydrogens. So if I burn it, that carbon will be converted to smaller molecules like carbon dioxide and water. So if I balance it, starting from the original cellulose, so I’ll get a certain number of carbon atoms and hydrogens. So the matter is conserved. In other words, it is not lost. That is the understanding of the science.

Prabhupada: No, we also, we also say. The energy, we take the sum total, material energy, that is conserved. It is displayed again. When there is annihilation, the whole energy goes back to Krsna. Yanti mamikam, prakrtim yanti mamikam.

Svarupa Damodara: But the original matter is changed.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: The original substance that I started with, changed to some other form.

Prabhupada: Yes. It is just like you take cotton. You make thread. Another form. Then from thread, you make cotton cloth.

Brahmananda: It’s not lost.

Prabhupada: It is not lost.

Brahmananda: It just changes it’s form.

Prabhupada: The original cotton is there. Simply form is changing. This is the process.

Svarupa Damodara: Is it the same from purnasya purnam adaya…?

Prabhupada: Yes. Everything is preserved. Karya karanam, cause and effect. In the effect, the cause is there. Therefore, Veda says: sarvam khalv idam brahma, everything is Brahman. Because the cosmic manifestation is the effect of the cause, energy of God. Therefore, in the effect there is God. maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina. “In impersonal form, I am existing everywhere.” God says, Krsna says. Mat-sthani sarva-bhutani. “Everything is existing on Me.” Na caham tesu ava… “But I am not there.” This is the personal and impersonal features of the Lord. The whole cosmic manifestation is the impersonal, it is resting on the energy of God, but you cannot find God here. The example is just like a big businessman, he has got a big factory. The factory’s depending on the energy of that man, but if you want to see that man in the factory, you cannot see. Is that example nice? You cannot say that the factory is existing without him. It is in his brain the whole factory’s running on. But if you want to find out where is he, that will be difficult.

Svarupa Damodara: But he’s there.

Prabhupada: He’s there. He’s there by his energy. He’s there. Therefore in all government offices, the picture of the president is there. What is the idea? Here is also president present. But if you want to see him, then you have to go to his headquarters. Similarly Krsna is present everywhere, but if you want to talk with Krsna, then you have to go Goloka Vrndavana. Hare Krsna. (pause) [break]

Devotee: Sailboat?

Brahmananda: Oh yeah, sailboat.

Prabhupada: Sailboat. [break] …what is called?

Brahmananda: Seaweed.

Prabhupada: Seaweed. The Chinese, China, China grass? What is called? China grass? Some foodstuff is sold in the stores, China grass?

Brahmananda: Oh, yeah, I think they dry it…

Prabhupada: No, they go under some chemical process. That gentleman, Mr. Patel, in Ahmedabad, whose guest I was, he’s doing this business.

Svarupa Damodara: Oh, this can be taken as food?

Prabhupada: Yes. under some chemical process. No, as it is can be taken. The Japanese take it.

Svarupa Damodara: That is one of the targets of scientific research. They’re going to find food from the ocean now.

Prabhupada: There is already food. What is this? You are You have labor (indistinct). There is already food.

Svarupa Damodara: They’re going to find more.

Prabhupada: Why more? Let them eat all the fishes first of all. Rascal, what more? They would take all the fishes and eat first, finish it. Then, then search for another. Simply rascaldom. Simply to take money from the government: “I’m making some research.”

Brahmananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: That’s all. Cheating, simply. And the rascal government will supply money: “Yes.” There is already food, sir. First of all you eat. Finish it. Then you make research for others. He cannot eat all the fishes even.

Svarupa Damodara: They’re called “new food.”

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: “New foods.” food.

Prabhupada: New foods? Why don’t you find out new debt. Why it is old? Find out some new debt.

Brahmananda: Some new sex.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Brahmananda: New sex.

Prabhupada: Yes. The same old sex. Either in the naked club or at home, the thing is the same.

Svarupa Damodara: They call it “new” because they never tasted before.

Prabhupada: Why not? Taste. Everyone is tasting sex.

Svarupa Damodara: That is, the food.

Prabhupada: I think I…, Germany, in the war, they extracted fat from stool because stool is full of fat and hypophosphytes. Stool. So there was scarcity of fat. So they were extracting fat from stool. By scientific method. There was no fat available in wartime. That my Godbrother, Sadananda, when he came India, so I asked him that: “Your German people, I’ve heard that German people are very stout and strong. Why you are lean and thin?” So he replied that: “During the war days, there was control. So I was getting fat, butter, simply because we were children.” He showed his wrist watch, “to this, this much. Only for children, this much butter, weekly, once.” That means under, under-nourished. So therefore they are finding out fat from stool. And in the concentration camp, Kirtanananda told me, actually they ate their own stools. And who was telling me…? Srutakirti, you were telling me that in the, what is called? Capsule? They turn their stool into food.

Srutakirti: Oh, that wasn’t me. No.

Karandhara: No, they turn the urine, they turn the urine into water.

Srutakirti: But someone was saying they also turn their stool into food.

Karandhara: I don’t know about that. I know they change the urine into water.

Svarupa Damodara: The urine, you just distill. Then uh… No urine, if it is, if one distills, turns to water. So the salt is deposited in the flask, and the water, pure water will come out.

Prabhupada: So why don’t you invent this “New food”? New aerated water, manufactured from urine. Advertise. You’ll get more customer. Maya will give him intelligence to waste his time.

Brahmananda: Chewing the chewed.

Prabhupada: That’s all. Instead of saving time for Krsna consciousness, maya will give him intelligence how to waste time. This is maya. Human life is so valuable that one second of this life should not be wasted. But these people are simply prescribing how to waste time. Srama eva hi kevalam.

Svarupa Damodara: So this (indistinct) thing is inquiring in the wrong direction?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: In the wrong direction?

Prabhupada: No.

Svarupa Damodara: They’re inquiring.

Prabhupada: It is right, but when we speak that the ultimate shelter is Krsna, that they will deny. Therefore they’re wrong. Just like you are coming this side. If I say: “Come to here,” they’ll say: “Why shall I go to there?” That is their fault. We are requesting everyone that: “Accept Krsna in the center. All your research work will be successful.” That they’ll not. (pause) Asuram bhavam asritah. They’ll not accept one thing, God. That is their business. (pause) Harer nama harer nama harer nama… [Adi 17.21]. (pause) Jellyfish is also eaten by man?

Karandhara: Jellyfish? No, I don’t think so. (pause)

Prabhupada: They are meant for the birds?

Karandhara: Fishes, other fish eat them.

Prabhupada: Oh, fish also.

Karandhara: Yes. (pause)

Prabhupada: Water, they’re also composition of atomic grains?

Svarupa Damodara: The hydrogen and oxygen, they’re called compound. Compound of hydrogen and oxygen.

Prabhupada: So hydrogen and oxygen, they have got grains, molecular.

Svarupa Damodara: So it is called molecules, molecule of water.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: There are innumerable molecules in water.

Prabhupada: Yes. Everywhere. In the sunshine also, there is molecules, shining particles.

Svarupa Damodara: They’re called photons.

Prabhupada: Protons?

Svarupa Damodara: Photons. P, H, O, T, O, N.

Prabhupada: Oh, photons. Similarly we are also photons of Krsna. That is our original position.

Brahmananda: Like spot.

Prabhupada: Spot, yes.

Svarupa Damodara: Emanations.

Prabhupada: Yes. (pause) How the sand is made? According to scientists?

Svarupa Damodara: By the combination of, when one atom of silica, two atoms of oxygen. Called silicon dioxide, the chemical name, or silica. But this is existing as a silicate, as a salt of sodium, magnesium, silicate.

Prabhupada: So there is salt in the water. So from that salt it is produced?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes. It reacts with the sodium, in the water, sodium in the water, in salt, that sodium reacts with silicic acid. So from sodium silicate, that becomes sand.

Karandhara: It’s not rocks pounded down?

Svarupa Damodara: No, rocks? Oh… No, we can make silicate very easily just by mixing the alkali, sodium and then acid, is just the reaction between the acid in the base. So forming an acid…

Prabhupada: So far we know, there is this sand, combined with silicate of soda, makes glass.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, glass is nothing but silicate.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: Finer sort. Normally silicate is shining, but this is not shining because it contains various mixtures. Not only soda, but other magnesium, calcium silicates.

Prabhupada: Silicate of soda is mixed with soap also.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Adulteration. That’s not first-class soap. Washing soap, they are mixed with silicate of soda. (pause) What is this cottage?

Svarupa Damodara: That small cottage?

Brahmananda: This one there?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Brahmananda: Oh, a lavatory.

Prabhupada: No.

Brahmananda: Oh, in the truck.

Prabhupada: Oh, in the… Moving cottage. Coming to primitive life.

Karandhara: They all have the fashion. Everyone has a truck with a cottage on the back so they can move around.

Brahmananda: Like the tortoise.

Prabhupada: Hmmm?

Brahmananda: Like the tortoise.

Prabhupada: This is new invention?

Karandhara: Well, it’s not new, but it’s just gotten popular over the last few years.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Svarupa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada, (indistinct—Bengali?)

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: (Bengali) Phala. Phala. What type of fruit is the best?

Prabhupada:Fruit?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Mango is the best.

Brahmananda: And that dried mango.

Prabhupada: No, any mango.

Svarupa Damodara: (Bengali)

Prabhupada: No, mango is the king of fruits.

Svarupa Damodara: I bought some mangos, but the inside was so bad. Come from…

Prabhupada: Well…

Svarupa Damodara: Not very fresh here.

Prabhupada: No.

Svarupa Damodara: They don’t taste like mangos.

Prabhupada: You can, you can try to get mango dried, amsattva. (?)

Svarupa Damodara: Amsattva.

Prabhupada: You know that amsattva?

Svarupa Damodara: (Bengali)

Prabhupada: Dried mango juice.

Brahmananda: In a slab.

Prabhupada: In slab, they’re available.

Svarupa Damodara: Oh.

Prabhupada: You can try in that Indian’s… They call amaut. Amaut or amsattva. (?)

Svarupa Damodara: (Bengali) From Ceylon they get some mangos, but they come in, in cans, with some juice. That’s not very good. From Ceylon. (pause)

Prabhupada: Mango is tropical fruit?

Svarupa Damodara: Huh, tropical fruit. Therefore it’s very good in Hawaii and in India and all tropical countries. Because nature makes the sugar inside. Forms sugar, carbohydrate, in the reaction of carbon dioxide and the water…

Prabhupada: But we take it without analysis.

Svarupa Damodara: They are studying how the banana is making sugar inside by nature. (end)