Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: One has to practice. It will take some time. [break] …yuktena cetasa nanya-gamina. One has to practice. That means his determination is not yet fixed up. Because he is very rich, he is thinking that “This is all right.” That is another defect of becoming very much rich. Bhogaisvarya prasaktanam taya upahrta-cetasam: “Those who are too much attached to this material enjoyment and…, by which his consciousness is bewildered…” All these defects are there because he is too much attached to material enjoyment. Why don’t you give him dress if he has no dress. This is not good. You have not marked it? Giriraja: Yes. Prabhupada: Then what is this? He’s… Give him dress. [break] Give him lesson how to make tilaka. He has come to your shelter. You teach him. [break] Just like a diseased person, if he is a little careless, he is not very strict in following the…, it will take some time. It is exactly like that. He, because of his material opulences, he thinks that “Oh, where is the disease? This is all right. I am happy.” That is the defect. We have to reduce. That is called tapasya. Not that “Because my tongue is asking me to eat something, therefore I must eat.” Not that. That is the difference between ordinary man and gosvami. Gosvami means one who has conquered over the dictation of the senses. My sense dictates to do something, but when I am able to dictate the sense, “No, you cannot do it,” that is called gosvami. Hare Krsna. [break] Dr. Patel: …maybe an African or Indian? Prabhupada: No, Indian. Dr. Patel: African, after all. Americans must be first. (static interference) …politically conscious Africans. Prabhupada: We have got about ten African devotees now in Nairobi branch. [break] …to material sense enjoyment. Such persons cannot take to Krsna consciousness. [break] …avoid the dictation of the senses. But when a man is able to dictate the senses, then he is gosvami. Dr. Patel: That is? Prabhupada: Gosvami. Dr. Patel: “One who is lord of go.” Prabhupada: Yes, senses. In that stage he cannot give up. Param drstva nivartante. When one sees that “This is better quality than the other,” then he takes. Unless… Because superficially… Suppose because for becoming Vaisnava, he has to undergo so many austerities. So ordinary man cannot find out that this is better life than that. So when he understands, “This service is not good; to serve Krsna is good,” then he can give up the service of maya. Param drstva nivartante. Just like an ordinary servant, he is serving in your house, but if he gets some more salary in other’s house, he gives it up. That is required. Param drstva nivartante. Giriraja: (reading) “This maya or illusory struggle for existence is immediately stopped. Lord Brahma, who has full control over the Goddess of learning and who is considered to be the best authority in Vedic knowledge, was thus perplexed, being unable to understand the extraordinary power manifested in the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” [break] Prabhupada: …muhyanti yat surayah. Tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye muhyanti yat surayah. [break] …said that unless one comes to understand the inconceivable power of God, there is no meaning of God. Dr. Patel: It is inconveivable to conceive God. Prabhupada: No, no, inconceivable power of God. God is in your presence. Dr. Patel: No, no, but His personal power is inconceivable. [break] Prabhupada: …understand the inconceivable power of God. [break] First of all he has to come to the sattva-guna. Sthitah sattve prasidati. tato rajas-tamo-bhavah kama-lobhadayas ca ye ceta etair anavidham sthitah sattve prasidati When one becomes free from the rajo-guna and tamo-guna, the symptom is… Rajo-guna and tamo-guna means lust and greediness. So when this rajo-guna and tamo-guna is absent, then the sattva-guna becomes prominent. Every guna is there. Tato rajas-tamo-bhavah kama-lobhadayas ca ye, ceta etaih… The consciousness does not become infected by the resultant action of tamo-guna and rajo-guna. Then the only sattva-guna remains. So when one is situated in sattva-guna, sthita-sattve prasidati, then he becomes jubilant, prasidati. That is brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. So one has to overcome the jurisdiction of rajo-guna and tamo-guna. At the present moment the whole world is covered mostly by tamo-guna and little by rajo-guna. Dr. Patel: Americans have more rajo-guna. They are creating and creating and creating. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: We are by more tamas. They are indolent, don’t want to work. Prabhupada: [break] Everyone makes this mistake. So as he is accepting, as Arjuna accepted, this is parampara acceptance. [break] Giriraja: “…the material luminaries, Your transcendental effulgence is identical with brahmajyoti.” [break] Prabhupada: …advised and all the acaryas advised, Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s advised. Why should we go somewhere else? Take shelter of His lotus feet. That’s all. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam [Bg. 18.66]. This is right conclusion. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. [break] Mahatma, immediately by surrendering to Krsna. Immediately. [break] A child, if he is informed, “God is everywhere,” he will never understand what is God. He knows that God is there, that this God consciousness is there. So what is the use of educating him, “Oh, God is everywhere. You don’t require to go to temple?” This is nonsense. It is kanistha-adhikari. He must know, “Here is God.” He goes there, offer respect. All the children come. [break] …a man, military man like Arjuna. Dr. Patel: Yes. Can he be a general? Prabhupada: Mr. Sar. Mr. Sar: Arjuna was a very, very great general, the most ideal general representing the real culture of this country. Prabhupada: That is wanted. It doesn’t matter. Nanda Maharaja, a vaisya. Arjuna is a ksatriya. And there are many sudras also. So what is that goat(?) candala. He was a candala. But everyone has got the right to become a devotee. That is wanted. [break] …tanuvan manobhih. Remain in your place, but giving aural reception to the Krsna message, you become a devotee. That is our Krsna consciousness movement. We don’t ask anybody to change. We want to make him transcendental. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. [break] Brahma-stuta sruti-karayan. Now, in the brahma-stuta, yam brahma, beginning… So that is yam brahma. Then simply if you recite, yam brahma… You must know who is that yam. And that is being explained by Krsna. Here is that yam, Krsna. Dr. Patel: Vasudeva, bolo. Child: (chants some verse in Sanskrit.) Prabhupada: Devaki anandam. Dr. Patel: Krsnam vande jagat guru. Prabhupada: Yam brahma-varunendra-rudrah stunvanti divyaih stavaih. Sometimes the impersonalists argue, “If nobody has seen Him, then where is His form?” But here is. Brahma, yam brahma. Here is Brahma praying. So why you say nobody has seen? Brahma has seen. Therefore he is offering. Dr. Patel: Bolo asitagira samamsyat. He’ll recite half a dozen. Prabhupada: That’s right. Hare Krsna. Child: (chants Sanskrit verses.) Prabhupada: (Hindi) Dr. Patel: (Hindi) Child: (chants more verses) Prabhupada: (Hindi) Dr. Patel: He wants to study Sanskrit from now, when I read all those books. But his father has put him directly in English medium. It becomes very difficult. I have to take him out and now he can read Sanskrit. You can read. Prabhupada: English medium, Sanskrit. Dr. Patel: English medium, the intelligence gets baffled because it is not a mother language. Prabhupada: Aurobindo Ghosh studied English from the very beginning. Dr. Patel: But he was extremely clever. He studied then Gujarati, not even Bengali. After he came from England… Prabhupada: He came to Gujarati. No. He came to Baroda. Dr. Patel: Then he studied Gujarati, but he did not know Bengali at all. And then he came… [break] What is that? [break] Prabhupada: (Sanskrit) From our childhood, if there was a rice grain on the floor, my father, er, my mother would ask me, “Take it and touch it on your head.” Dr. Patel: We were advised not to tread on the grains. [break] Prabhupada: Because by chance, if the grain is struck with the leg, she asked, “Take it and you touch it on the head.” Dr. Patel: That is the culture. That is real culture. Prabhupada: Means from the very beginning he understands anna-brahma. Dr. Patel: Even it is not spoken, you practice it. Prabhupada: Yes, practice it. According to Vedic culture, the higher class, in every home there is narayana-sila for worship, especially of the brahmanas. Dr. Patel: In our homes we have all these small such temples, small chapels. All of us, our homes have got one room specially for Krsna-murti and (indistinct) For puja only. [break] We say thakura-ghara. Prabhupada: Thakura-ghara must be there, not only simply a lavatory. There must be one thakura-ghara. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
April 18, 1974, Bombay