Morning Walk Conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
April 24, 1974, Hyderabad

Prabhupada: …drawing the attention of the papers. I know so many papers, they will publish his statement. There are four, five, ten letters, but about our… What is his name?

Devotee (1): Lieberman.

Prabhupada: Lieberman is original name.

Satsvarupa: Amarendra.

Prabhupada: Amarendra.

Satsvarupa: Yes, he said he’s dominating the…

Prabhupada: Ah?

Satsvarupa: He’s dominating the public attention.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is very success. [break] …that he’s dominating?

Satsvarupa: That’s what he wrote in his letter.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Satsvarupa: He thinks that he’s going to win. [break]

Prabhupada: … that these rascal leaders, they cannot give us any comfort. All over the world. Here in the Gujarat, the students have insulted the leader, you know? So horribly, they have dragged the prime minister, chief minister, dragged him and set up and seated on an ass’s back. In this way he was insulted.

Mahamsa: Prime Minister.

Prabhupada: The chief minister.

Mahamsa: The chief minister.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee: This was in Jerusalem?

Prabhupada: Ah? No, no, is Gujarat, here.

Devotee: Gujarat.

Prabhupada: The next province. Hare Krsna. [break] …speaking all the words that he has learned from him. Very good. Very nicely he’s presenting.

Mahamsa: He’s an elderly gentleman?

Prabhupada: No, no, only twenty-five. [break] …all these culprits, the burglars, the thieves, they should be punished exemplary. (chuckles) Yes, that should be done. [break] One telegram: “Come immediately Bombay. Everything is all right, Krsna has blessed you.” [break] I mean to say intelligent in their part, they’ll at least give a chance to him. Yes. [break] …doing all right.

Satsvarupa: He said he didn’t feel well, he was not going to take a walk.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Satsvarupa: He said he felt too…

Prabhupada: He has come.

Satsvarupa: Oh.

Prabhupada: That he thinks always, not to take walk, but when he takes, then it’s good. [break] …dharma, what is dharma, religion.

Mahamsa: I was not there yesterday.

Prabhupada: Oh, you were not there. So what arrangement is made now?

Mahamsa: I got all the bus tickets for the devotees…

Prabhupada: Hm.

Mahamsa: …and for the plane tickets there was a little difficulty. I don’t know how many plane tickets are available yet, but I definitely got minimum two. I don’t know if I’ll be able to get four, but I’m trying. I’m first on the waiting list, so… [break]

Prabhupada: …our nice program.

Mahamsa: Yes, I told him to send a telegram in any case, but he has not sent, but if the…, if the program was not nice, then he would have definitely have sent some message to cancel the program. [break]

Prabhupada: …get help from them by his bogus program.

Mahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Vishva Hindu Parishad. What is this nonsense Vishva Hindu…? (chuckles) He does not know what is the meaning of Hindu. And his jnana-yajna. Gita jnana yajna. He does not understand even a word of Gita, and this rascal is preaching Bhagavad-gita. This is going on. And he has made some name, people after him. People means if you flatter him, that “Whatever you are doing, it is all right.”

Mahamsa: They will…

Prabhupada: Then they will be very much pleased. And as soon as you criticize, that “You are doing this wrong, you will suffer.” “Oh, yes, this Swamiji is not (indistinct).” That is going on everywhere. In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and the leader approves, “Yes, you can do.” Vivekananda did it. “Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not eating eat in terms of religion system.” He preached this, and all the sannyasis of the Ramakrishna Mission they eat meat, they drink, they have woman secretary, everything. This Chinmayananda is also like that. I know his whole mischief. Unless one is purely Krsna conscious, one cannot give up all these bad habits. This is the test. Bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra caisa [SB 11.2.42] One… Unless one is substantially advanced in krsna-bhakti, they cannot give up this material attachment—illicit sex, meat eating—they cannot. It is impossible. So even in the name of swami or big, big yogis… They are doing all these things. Especially those who go in foreign countries… In USA illicit sex is very cheap. Everything is very cheap. Yes. Intoxication very cheap, meat-eating very cheap, gambling, very cheap, so when they get this cheap amenities, they forget their so-called spiritual life.

Aksayananda: Prabhupada…

Prabhupada: Hm.

Aksayananda: One of our friends went to hear Chinmayananda, and he came back to the temple and he said, “Oh, he was speaking very nicely.”

Prabhupada: Hm.

Aksayananda: So Mahamsa Swami said, “What did he say?”

Prabhupada: Hm.

Aksayananda: “I do not know.”

Prabhupada: Who is he?

Mahamsa: Hariprasad’s sons. (laughs)

Prabhupada: Oh.

Mahamsa: Rai Krishan (?).

Prabhupada: That is the disease.

Aksayananda: Yes.

Mahamsa: They just speak very big words so that the language looks very nice, but people don’t understand a word what they are saying.

Prabhupada: (Prabhupada talks meaningless words, imitating the rascals; devotees laugh) They go on speaking like this. And people, “Oh, how amazing!” Simply give some grammatical form and talk all nonsense, people will appreciate. Jugglery. This is called jugglery. The Mayavadi panditas also do that. All the Mayavadis are against me, because I am talking about Bhagavad-gita as it is, and they screw their own meaning by jugglery of words. So they are all enemies. The Mayavadi sannyasis, smarta-panditas, all of them. [break] …has constructed a siva-linga temple.

Mahamsa: Siva-linga.

Prabhupada: Siva-linga. You have seen Siva-linga?

Mahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: A temple of… There are so many hundreds and thousands of Siva temples, but nobody has exhibited siva-linga, big siva-linga on the head of the temple.

Aksayananda: Where is that, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Bombay. And he’s speaking on Gitar-gan. Gitar-gan means to construct a big siva-linga temple. He’s proving himself a rascal by his activities. He’s a rascal number one. He has gone many times to foreign countries, but not a single foreign student he has got. [break] …from atheistic fools who are not prepared to follow any rules and regulations, they are after him.

Aksayananda: That Sai Baba too…

Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone.

Aksayananda: Many of those young boys and girls, they are potential devotees. They are just in it for a bit of fun. A bit of fashion or fun.

Prabhupada: Similarly Rajneesh. [break] …very good intelligence, Lieberman.

Satsvarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes, he’s speaking very nicely. He’s fit for that position. Similarly our, what is his name?

Satsvarupa: Balavanta.

Prabhupada: Balavanta. He’s also very nice. If we get some important votes in the government, then our mission will be successful. This, our philosophy is being properly ventilated, it is coming in the papers, isn’t it? On account of this political leadership. And I see that his statements are published profusely. Not with other contemporaries. And what they’ll speak? They have no sense, they have no leadership idea.

Satsvarupa: Some devotees express the fear that after some time all these bogus groups, they will start running political men, too, and then the field may be ruined, that…

Prabhupada: Hm?

Satsvarupa: Soon, they say, especially the Bala-yogi, he always follows whatever we do, when we go out and distribute books, they do, when we have kirtana, they do. So there’s the fear that soon they’ll all be running for office, all these bogus men, because we are doing.

Prabhupada: But they cannot say anything.

Satsvarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: They have… This, the followers of the Bala-yogi they’re simply rascals.

Devotee: They’ll just be more exposed… They’ll have to study your books (indistinct).

Prabhupada: They cannot even speak… Ah?

Devotee: They’ll have to study your books to find out what to say.

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like our, what is this? Sai, Sai, Siddha-svarupa. He also tried to imitate ourself, and by reading, reading, he became my disciple. Although he has the same mentality, still, still he does not find any better solution than our philosophy. The Karandhara, he went away (chuckles) and does not find any solution. You see?

Satsvarupa: “I find no alternative to Krsna’s service,” he said.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the final. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg. 7.19] That is final. [break]

Mahamsa: …start all over the world?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Devotee: We should…

Prabhupada: If we’ll be successful in America, then all over, everywhere it will be followed. [break] (Hindi)

Mahamsa: (Hindi)

Prabhupada: Yes.

Mahamsa: Today one very big minister is going to come.

Prabhupada: Hm.

Mahamsa: He was a minister. His name is Channa Reddy.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Mahamsa: He used to be running for the chief ministership. He’s very, very popular, but there was some mischief he did, for which he was taken to court and exposed.

Prabhupada: What is that mischief?

Mahamsa: I don’t remember exactly, but he was taken to court and exposed and he was expelled from entering into any…

Prabhupada: Party.

Mahamsa: …any elections for five years. So now his period is finishing, his five years is finishing, and he is going to stand again, and seems that he’s very, very popular, he has a good chance. And he’s our Life Member…

Prabhupada: Oh, he’s a Life Member?

Mahamsa: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: He studies our books?

Mahamsa: Oh, yes, he has taken our books and he especially asked that “I am reading these books and please give me.” And he attended all the three days of the exhibition grounds.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Mahamsa: You maybe remember, no?

Devotee: Yes.

Mahamsa: Channa Reddy. He’s very nice. He’ll be coming today at ten o’clock. [break]

Prabhupada: …the modern politicians. Here at the present moment their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he’s successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Canakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Maharaja Yudhisthira, Lord Ramacandra, that is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man… Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that “Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass.” Consistency. You must change. [break]

Mahamsa: You should never trust a politician, so if you cannot trust a politician, why we elect him as a leader, why should he be a leader?

Prabhupada: Yes. No, “Do not trust” means you are also not trustworthy, nobody trusts you, and you should also not. That is their philosophy. All these big, big politicians, just like United Nations. The same philosophy is going on. Nobody trusts anyone, but they speak big, big…

Aksayananda: Did he mean because the politician will degrade… (end)