Morning Walk Excerpts Prabhupada: Everything is perverted reflection. Janmady asya yatah: [Bhag. 1.1.1] “Everything is born from the Absolute Truth.” So unless there is something in the Absolute Truth, how it can be reflected here? Everything is there. Dr. Patel: Almost everything. All His saktis excepting Him. Prabhupada: Athato brahma jijnasa, janmady asya yatah [Bhag. 1.1.1] Giriraja: “They began to say that ‘The chief gopi, Radharani, who was taken alone by Krsna must be very proud of Her position, thinking Herself the greatest of the gopis. Yet how could Krsna take Her alone, leaving all of us aside?’ ” Prabhupada: [break] …by Rupa Gosvami. Radhe jaya jaya madhava-dayite. Dr. Patel: Radhe jaya jaya madhava… Prabhupada: Madhava-dayite, gokula… Eh? Giriraja: Taruni. Prabhupada: Gokula-taruni mandala-mahite. Radhe jaya jaya madhava-dayite, gokula-taruni, all the mandala-mahite. She is the most beautiful amongst all the young girls in Gokula. Radhe jaya jaya madhava… Rupa Gosvami’s praying, radhe jaya jaya madhava-dayite gokula-taruni mandala-mahite And Jiva Gosvami says, radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmad ekatmanav api, deha-bhedam gatau tau [Cc. Adi 1.5]. Radha- Krsna… Krsna expanded Himself by His pleasure potency. That is Radharani. Ekatmanav api deha-bhedam gatau. Dr. Patel: Even though They are one in… Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktih. Dr. Patel: Hladini… Prabhupada: Yes. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate. So Radharani is the hladini-sakti. So when the Parabrahman wants to enjoy, He does not enjoy in this, the material energy. He expands His own pleasure potency. That is Radha-Krsna tattva. Tad-dvayam caikyam aptam caitanyakhyam prakatum adhuna. “They have again become united in the form of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.” Radha krsna nahe anya. Sri krsna caitanya, radha krsna nahe anya. Radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmad ekatmanav api deha… [Cc. Adi 1.5]. Hare Krsna. [break] …in every respect. We imitate, “I am the lord of everything.” That is also imitation. Dr. Patel: Yes, that is also imitation. We are imitating gopis, not Krsna. (Hindi) Ah, his representative, will put on him. [break] Prabhupada: Giriraja, who is the Giriraja? Giriraja: Govardhana. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: You are also Govardhana, enlarger of the cows. Prabhupada: Govardhana-padapa-tale. This is the… This is the bhajana of Gaudiya Vaisnava. He radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-suno kutah. Kutah: “Where You are?” Gaudiya Vaisnava will never say that “We have seen.” Kutah: “Where You are?” he radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-suno kutah sri-govardhana-(kalpa-)padapa-tale kalindi-vane kutah Or govardhana-padapa-tale. ghosantav iti sarvato vraja-pure khedair maha-vihvalau vande rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau ei chay gosai jar, tar mui das, tan-sabara pada-renu, mora panca-gras We have to follow the Gosvamis to understand Radha-Krsna tattva. Directly we cannot understand. rupa-raghunatha-pade haibe akuti, kabe hama bhujhabo, se jugala-piriti “The conjugal love between Radha and Krsna, when I shall understand?” Rupa-raghunatha-pade haibe akuti: “When I shall be very much eager to the favor of Srila Rupa Gosvami, Raghunatha Gosvami, it may be possible I can understand what is Radha and Krsna.” This is the process. So Rupa Gosvami and other Gosvamis, they never said that “In Vrndavana we have seen Radha-Krsna.” Dr. Patel: They were searching, search of Radha. Prabhupada: Search of Radha. That is Gaudiya Vaisnava, vipralambha, in separation, feeling “Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna?” Govinda-virahena me. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me. Dr. Patel: “The whole world is sunya in absence of…” Prabhupada: This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s teaching. Govinda-vira… yugayitam nimesena caksusa pravrsayitam sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me This is the summit of bhajana, when one will be crying and there will be tears, torrently, and one will see everything as vacant for being separated from Govinda. That is the topmost summit of Krsna bhajana. he radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-suno kutah sri-govardhana-(kalpa-)padapa-tale kalindi-vane kutah ghosantav iti sarvato vraja-pure khedair maha-vihvalau vande rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau Hare Krsna. Go on. Pariksit Maharaja said, when he was sitting on the bank of the Ganges, prepared for meeting death within seven days, all the great personalities, sages, saints, kings, they came to see him. So he said that “My dear brahmanas, here is Ganges and you are also present here. So take me as your surrendered soul. I am surrendered to you. So at the present moment let that taksaka, the snake-bird, or anything may come and bite. I don’t care for it. Please go on with the Krsna-katha. Go on with your Krsna-katha.” Yes. Dr. Patel: That is the point Sukadeva comes. Prabhupada: No, Sukadeva later on came. Dr. Patel: Yes, after that. Prabhupada: Yes. So we should be always engaged in Krsna-katha. Oh, danger is always there. This is a place… Dr. Patel: You must act like Pariksit. Prabhupada: You don’t care for danger. You go on chanting. That’s all. Padam padam yad vipadam. This is a place where padam padam vipadam: every step there is danger. How much dangerous position you’ll save? Better go on chanting Hare Krsna. That’s all. Passerby: Hare Krsna! Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] …and some European, one European was coming. So as soon as we face to face, so I had to get down. They forced me. Dr. Patel: You know that way they behaved with Gandhiji in South Africa. Prabhupada: Beaten him like anything. He would have died. [break] Fisher’s, Fisherman’s island. “I shall again turn them into fisherman’s island.” Dr. Patel: British people is the fisherman’s island. Prabhupada: Germany is the bitterest enemy of Britain. Dr. Patel: Stalin. Prabhupada: No, Germany, whole Germany. They do not like to speak in English also. Yes, I have seen it. Even they know English, they’ll not speak. In the bank they could speak a little, little English, but they avoid. Then I took… What is that boy that first went to…? Bhagavata: Sivananda. Prabhupada: Sivananda. Then I… Sivananda talked in German. [break] …two wars is due to Germany’s hatred to Britain. That’s all. There was always competition in colonization between France, Holland… Dr. Patel: German. All of them. Prabhupada: No, not Germany. Not Germany. Germany never tried for colonization. Dr. Patel: Belgium, such a small thing, they have half of the Central Africa like a pyramid standing on its tip. [break] Prabhupada: Britishers were maintaining the British Empire at the cost of India. Soldiers, money… Dr. Patel: Indian Army was Indian Civil totally. Even today it is so. Indian Army fought… [break] Prabhupada: Pathans, Sikhs, they fought so nicely. Dr. Patel: This Mount Hazenot(?) battle, which I read very… Prabhupada: [break] (laughter) Hare Krsna. Giriraja: “Sukadeva Gosvami has used the word sraddhanvita for one who is trained in the spiritual life. Sraddha, or faith, is the beginning. One who has developed his faith in Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the supreme spirit soul, can both describe and hear.” [break] Prabhupada: Why? Devotee: They’re in the hospital. Bhagavata: Caranaravinda was the hospital. Prabhupada: So who is take care, him? [break] …authorities. Anu. Anu means follow. Anusrnuyat. Srnu means “hear.” Kriditam ca idam ca vikridita vraja-vadhubhih, visnoh anusrnuyat. Don’t directly read. Don’t directly. Anusrnuyat: “Hear from the authoritative person.” Giriraja: “One must hear from disciplic succession. Anu means following, and anu means always. So one must always follow the disciplic succession and not hear from any stray professional reciters.” [break] Prabhupada: There is on raga stage. One must have passed the sadhana stage, neophyte stage, and, means, regulative principles. Giriraja: “Those who are simply attracted to temple worship but do not know the philosophy of bhakti are in the neophyte stage.” [break] Prabhupada: …still India’s spiritual culture, that people were not trained up in the bhakti science; simply they go to the temple, “dung, dung, dung.” (makes sound of bell-ringing) That’s all. That has finished. Dr. Patel: Bhakti is practiced more in south. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: In the south there is… Prabhupada: No, everywhere. Everywhere. They do not know. In the temple there is no discussion scientifically about Krsna or anything. You see? (Hindi) arcayam eva haraye yah pujam sraddhayehate na tad-bhaktesu canyesu sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah Prakrtah. They are on the material platform; they’re not on the spiritual platform. But this rasa-lila-hearing is meant for persons who are actually on the spiritual platform. But they hear from the material platform; therefore… Dr. Patel: They become lusty. Bhagavata: Bhagavata-saptahas. Bhagavata-saptahas. Prabhupada: Ah, bhagavata-saptaha. It is all nonsense. Simply they are hearing from the material platform some karma-kandiya vicara, that “If you hear…” Dr. Patel: Krsna Sankara Sastri is speaking very… Prabhupada: Huh? Dr. Patel: Krsna Sankara Sastri from Nariya(?) (indistinct) place. Prabhupada: He’s a learned scholar, I know. Dr. Patel: He had also returned (indistinct) In Nariya(?) he’s supposed to be the best scholar in Sanskrit, not only a big bhakta also a Vaisnava. [break] Prabhupada: …there is no saptaha. [break] Giriraja: “…is so potent that the more one advances in this line, the more he loses his attraction for material life.” Dr. Patel: People used to prostrate themselves. Prabhupada: All right. That is artificial. Dr. Patel: I have read somewhere. (indistinct) Prabhupada: That is not the way. Dr. Patel: Have you read it? I have read it. Prabhupada: Even I do not… No. These are all nonsense. Giriraja: “One who is actually deriving…” [break] Prabhupada: That is the disease, material disease, to become lusty. So if one actually hears from the authority rasa-lila, then he is no more lusty. That is the test. That is the test. Dr. Patel: He becomes (indistinct) This kama is always first everywhere. (indistinct) Prabhupada: Kama is the basic principle of material life. That is explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad: “Both men and women, they are attracted in this material world for this sex life.” Mithuni-bhavam etad. Tayor mithah. They are… Now, just see in this beach. They are coming all dressed, and the man is attracting woman; woman is attracting man. This is business, going on here. Dr. Patel: You are really… Oscar Wilde has written once… Prabhupada: Yes, this is the fact. We can see it. We can see it. That’s all. Everywhere the same business. In the Western world they are becoming more and more naked. You see? Mini, miniskirt. Dr. Patel: What they call it? Bhagavata: Streaking. Dr. Patel: No, no, no. What is that called, costume? Prabhupada: Topless. Topless. Dr. Patel: Topless and bottomless. Prabhupada: These things are going on. That means they are attracted. Attracted. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad. They’ll dress. Woman will dress very nicely so that she can attract man, and man will also do something which will, he’ll attract woman. Mithuni-bhavam tayor mitha… In this way, when they are united—hrdaya-granthim ahuh, a very strong knot: “Oh, you are mine. I am yours.” (laughter) “You are mine. I am yours.” In this way they pull on this material life. And then, gradually, “Now we must have good apartment to live and enjoy sex life.” Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad tayor mithah hrdaya-granthim ahuh, tatha grha. “Now have skyscraper building.” Ksetra: “Land. We must produce food grains.” Tatha grha-ksetra-suta: “We must have children.” Dr. Patel: No, but according to the Taittiriya Upanisad… Prabhupada: No, no, this is… This is the material life. Dr. Patel: That’s right. You are right. Prabhupada: This is material… Tatha grha-ksetra-sutapta. Apta: friends. I must show: “Just see how I have got big house, nice wife, good bank balance. Come and see. And just glorify me, ‘Oh, you are very successful. Although you are going to be dog next life.’ ” This is going on. Atho grha-ksetra-sutapta-vitta janasya moho ’yam. This is illusion. This is illusion. Janasya moho ’yam aham mameti: [SB 5.5.8] “Now I am such and such big man, minister.” That’s all. And he’s… The minister is going to be dog next life. You see? That he does not know. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karma… Dr. Patel: I don’t think they should be dog, become dog. They should become hogs. Prabhupada: Yes, dog or hog, but the same. There is no much difference. Sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih. These animals have been especially mentioned. Sva means dog, and vid-varaha means hog. Sva vid-vara… Dr. Patel: Vid-varaha: “dirty eating hog.” Prabhupada: Yes. Vit. Vit means stool. Sva-vid-varaha-ustra. Ustra means camel, and khara means ass. So these grhamedhis they have been described as the sva, vid-varaha, ustra, khara. Bhagavata is very strong (laughs) in criticizing. Therefore in the beginning it is said, dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra: “All types of cheating religion is rejected.” Dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra. Kaitava means cheating. Sridhara Swami, he has… Paramo nirmatsaranam: “This Bhagavata is meant for paramo nirmatsaranam, those who are above this material existence, paramahamsas.” Bhagavata is not meant for ordinary men. Dr. Patel: Who can make a distinction between milk and water. Prabhupada: Yes. No, no, means he accepts only the milk, not the water. Similarly, this whole world is mixture of spirit and matter, so he rejects matter; he takes only spirit. That is paramahamsa. Go on. Giriraja: “Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura points out that according to Bhagavad-gita, the Brahma day and the Brahma night are periods of solar years expanding 4,300,000 multiplied by one thousand…” [break] Prabhupada: Four, I think. This one? Satsvarupa: Yes, 747. Jumbo. Prabhupada: It is 447, yes. [break] Bhagavata: …celebrate. Prabhupada: The celebration is you have to fast day and night and four times offer worship to the Lord Siva. Dr. Patel: And drink bhang also. Prabhupada: No, no, that is not recommended. But they can do… They do all now… Bhagavata: So we should observe this festival, Srila Prabhupada? Prabhupada: Not necessarily. Bhagavata: Not necessary. Prabhupada: Go on. [break] …Tirupati. These rascals are getting money and investing for television. Indian man (2): Industry. Prabhupada: You see? They should have given to us for distributing Krsna consciousness all…, but these rascals will not do that. Indian man (3): “In the Vedic scriptures, therefore, one is recommended to give charity to a brahmana.” Prabhupada: Because they are not brahmana. All sudras, Communist. Dr. Patel: Janma jayate sudrah. Prabhupada: Yes. Especially, especially that Andhra government is Communist government. Indian man (3): “And by so doing, one pleases Lord Visnu and all the demigods. The pilgrims take bath, worship the Deity and give in charity. They are also recommended to fast one day.” [break] Prabhupada: …that after attaining human form of body he is not degraded. Dr. Patel: That is wrong. Prabhupada: It is wrong. Dr. Patel: Kathopanisad says that (Sanskrit). People according to their… Prabhupada: Yes, karma. Dr. Patel: …knowledge and according to their karma, even they become these trees. Prabhupada: Yes. Indian man (3): “Vidyadhara himself says that even though he was a demigod, he was condemned to become a serpent. But because he was touched by the lotus feet of Krsna, he immediately came to Krsna consciousness. He admitted, however, that in his previous life he was actually sinful.” [break] Prabhupada: …observing Siva-ratri, Nanda Maharaja and all the cowherds men, they increased their attachment for Krsna. That is wanted. Pancadravida: “After this incident, on a very pleasant night both Krsna and His elder brother Balarama, who are inconceivably powerful, went into the forest of Vrndavana.” [break] Prabhupada: “Dressing is artificial. It is not required. Yes. This naked body is very nice.” [break] No, you don’t… You cannot be naga-baba. That is not good. [break] If one is not Krsna conscious, all these rascaldom becomes charming. When one is Krsna conscious these things does not appeal. Pancadravida: “Krsna’s transcendental form, quali…” [break] Prabhupada: Law is there. [break] …speak in all language, even in the animal, birds’ language. Babudaka. Dr. Patel: Kesi-nisudana. Prabhupada: Kesi-nisudana. Yadubara: “Kesi rushed toward with Lord with great…” [break] Prabhupada: …control his mouth. Dr. Patel: This (indistinct) practically amongst all the, I mean, animals, lower and higher. There are demons who are against. Even horse, even birds, even snake. Eh? Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yadubara: “As soon as Kesi reached Him…” [break] Prabhupada: …was not so cheap. He had to pay proper price. Dr. Patel: In Europe also they were eloping away, these girls. Prabhupada: Europeans, they are also coming from ksatriya family. Yadubara: “I shall also see how You…” [break] “…your internal potency You have set up the influence of maya.” That is part of the internal potency? Prabhupada: Hm? Yes. What is your question? Yadubara: Well, I thought it was the external potency. Prabhupada: For Him there is no external, internal. For Krsna there is no external, internal. You cannot understand this. Krsna is absolute. For me there is external, internal, but for Krsna there is no external, internal because His energy… The external energy is also His energy, and internal is His energy. Therefore He’s everything. Hare Krsna. Jaya. (Hindi) For electrician there is no difference between refrigerator and heater. He knows how to adjust it. For me, this is heater; this is refrigerator. Like that. Yadubara: “You have taken your birth in the Yadu dynasty…” [break] Prabhupada: …says, atma-mayaya. Atma-mayaya, His own energy. So the material energy and the spiritual, both of them, are His energy. So even if He appears in a material body, it does not act as material body. It act as spiritual body. Just like same example: The expert electrician, he can turn the refrigerator into heater. Is it not? That is the way. Hare Krsna. For Him there is nothing, no distinction, because He is absolute. Similarly, to take the side of the devotee and to kill the enemy of Krsna, they are all the same. Brahmananda: Inside of the devotee? Prabhupada: Or to kill the demon, that is His mercy. Both of them. It is not that materially, as we think, “Oh, Krsna is taking side of this man and killing this man.” No. Still, He is neutral, absolute. Brahmananda: The sahajiyas, they don’t know that. Prabhupada: Eh? Brahmananda: Sahajiyas, they just go towards like the rasa-lila, and they avoid the demon killing. Prabhupada: Who? Brahmananda: The sahajiyas. Prabhupada: Oh, they are rascals. Kick them out. They think everything is easy. Dr. Patel: What is sahajiya? Prabhupada: Sahajiya… Sahaj means easy. Easy-going. They will smoke cigarette at the same time they will play rasa-lila. This is sahajiya. This is sahajiya. They will do all nonsense; still, they will become God, imitation of God. Yadubara: “Narada Muni wanted to impress upon people in general that Krsna is fully independent. His activities such as His appearance…” [break] Prabhupada: He played also. (Hindi) We used to say chor chor kela: “Catch up the feet.” (Hindi) [break] …and wonderful things, as they are mentioned, they were all manufactured by the demons. Dr. Patel: maya. Prabhupada: No, no, these wonderful scientific advancement, they were done by the demons. So they are demons. These so-called scientist, they re all demons. Dr. Patel: Palace of Pandavas were constructed by maya. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: So they were all engineers. Prabhupada: No, no, engineer. Engineer are also demons, but he is no longer demon. Now doctors are demon. (laughter) Hare Krsna. [break] …land only for this beach. Dr. Patel: But you are going away. Prabhupada: No, I am… (Dr. Patel laughs) I am here. [break] Very soon. [break] Living entities are there in the sand. How do they say there is no life in the moon? I cannot understand. What they are eating within the sand? Dr. Patel: Not that, but our definition of life is, I mean, not really complete. It is not complete. We mean… Life means anything which, I mean, which breathes, which beats. That is all humbug. Everything is life, to tell the truth. Prabhupada: No, even distinction, life and matter, here is sand. How these animals are living within the sand? And not only that. Now it is… Because it is wet, they are living. When it is very scorchy hot, then also living. Dr. Patel: That is maya. This is all maya. Prabhupada: Living entity can exist in any condition. In the sun globe there is life. Go on. Dr. Patel: Life is caitanya. Prabhupada: Yes, caitanya. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20] Dr. Patel: Without caitanya nothing can exist. Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Dr. Patel: I think even in an atom there is caitanya. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Andantara-stha paramanu-cayantara-stham. There is. Go on. Yadubara: “I can be sure this opportunity…” [break] Prabhupada: It is His energy, so therefore Krsna cannot be under the influence of material energy. [break] Just like, what is called, shade and light. They are the same thing, but shade means the other side of light, absence of light. But light can be there at any time. It is not that because it is shade, there cannot be any light. And this light of Krsna consciousness is eradicating the darkness of the shady material world. [break] …taking so much care of the body. Why? Because there is consciousness. Therefore consciousness is important thing, not this body. [break] …that “Kamsa, this rascal, is sending me to Krsna. I’ll be able to see Him.” That’s all. His business was to see Krsna. Dr. Patel: He was a diplomat. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …between demons and gods. So god abides by the order of the Supreme Lord; the demons do not. That’s all. They do indirectly, by force. Just like the demon has to die. Dr. Patel: Both were the sons of Kasyapa. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Kasyapa, gods and demons. By their behavior one sect became demons, no? Prabhupada: Eh? Yes. Vyavaharena jayante. Canakya Pandita has said na kascid kasyacid mitro na kascid kasyacid ripuh, vyavaharena jayante: “Who is friend and who is enemy, it can be understood by the behavior.” Vyavaharena jayante mitrani ripavas tatha. Dr. Patel: By their… When there is coming action, then you find out who is friend and who is enemy. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] This is very nice hell. Dr. Patel: Now all that society, any decent(?) society. Prabhupada: Oh. Dr. Patel: That Mr. Nair… Prabhupada: Mr. Nair also, in Calcutta, many times. [break] Dr. Patel: Irish or English? Prabhupada: No, Irish. He established the Home Rule, Home Rule Party, in India. Dr. Patel: And he fell off from Gandhi’s movement. Prabhupada: Hm. Go on. [break] …raga of love. When one goes to see his beloved and thinks so many things, “I’ll do this, I’ll do this, I’ll do this,” that is purva-raga. Hare Krsna. Jaya. [break] …gopis as krura, not Akrura. Dr. Patel: Yes, because he was taking away Krsna and Balarama from there. [break] Prabhupada: …manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamah. Krsna recognizes immediately who preaches the gospel of Bhagavad-gita. Yes. Dr. Patel: Shall we go back? [break] Prabhupada: (Hindi conversation) [break] …uncle, His father’s cousin. Dr. Patel: Uddhava was His cousin. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …kabe suddha ha’be mana, kabe hama herabo, sri vrndavana. Dr. Patel: This is Bengali, Bengali. Prabhupada: Yes. Yadubara: “When my mind will be purified after leaving the…” [break] Prabhupada: …Vaisnava kavi has sung, visaya chariya, se rase majiya, mukhe bala hari hari Unless you are free from the material desires, you cannot enjoy what is the celestial or spiritual bliss in chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. If one has got material desires, he cannot enjoy. visaya chariya, se rase majiya, mukhe bala hari hari [break] …can see here United Nation actually. Here is Britisher, here is American, here is African, here is Indian, here is Hindu, Canadian, Hindu, Muslim, Christian—all. This is United Nation. Just let them see practically what is United Nation. Brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra—all combined in Krsna consciousness. Why do they not see? The so-called unity, brotherhood, why do they not see the reality? Dr. Patel: United Nations were created… Prabhupada: No, no, not only United Nation, united in everything, “universal brotherhood,” whatever you call—here is the example. Dr. Patel: So-called United Nations were created not for unity. Prabhupada: No, no, either so-called United Nation or so-called nation. Here is also there is nation. What do they know about nation? Everyone, he is interested with his own pocket. That’s all. “What money is coming in my pocket.” That’s all. Where is the nationality? If there was nationality, why such havoc could have happened? Now the strike is going on. There is no feeling of nationality because they are not thinking of the nation; they are thinking of their own pocket, that’s all. Where is the nationality? They are simply bogus slogans. Actual unity, nationality, universality, is in Krsna consciousness. It is a fact. Let them see. Men, women also. There are women also. We do not hate anyone. Come on. Take to Krsna consciousness. mam hi partha vyapasritya ye ’pi syuh papa-yonayah striya vaisyas tatha sudras te ’pi yanti param gatim Here is the unity for everyone, under the shelter of the lotus feet of Krsna. Dr. Patel: This M.N. Raya, you know, who advocated that humanism, for which he was banished by the Communist fellows because the root of M.N. Raya was in Hinduism, no? After all? It is very difficult for us to think about so-called Communism. But religion itself is Communistic. Prabhupada: No, no. We, we don’t think in terms of Hinduism. We don’t think. Dr. Patel: No. But we have been actually brought up religiously as communists, religious communists. Prabhupada: Spiritual communists. Religious, religious upon strict sense of religion. Religion means spiritualism. Dr. Patel: Yes, spiritual communism. Prabhupada: Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19] Religion means to abide by the orders of Krsna. That is religion. Other things are cheating. If they have no sense of God, they do not know what is God, how to abide by the orders of God, that is not religion. Therefore Bhagavata says, dharmah-projjhita kaitavo atra: “All cheating types of religion system is rejected, kicked out from this Bhagavata.” They’re all cheating. “I am God. You are God. I am everything. You are…” This is not religion. It is all humbug religion. Go on. [break] …has written about Krsna by Vyasadeva, and people say, “There was no Krsna. It is all fictitious.” Vyasadeva had to take so much trouble for some fictitious. Just see their intelligence. Even no common sense. Why Sukadeva Gosvami will take interest? Why Vyasadeva will write such book? Therefore they do not recognize that Bhagavata is written by Vyasadeva. But how they can deny? Bhagavad-gita, that is also written by Vyasadeva. Yasomatinandana: So-called scholars like Radhakrishnan says, “It is, Vyasadeva, is some imaginary character.” Dr. Patel: Why they say even Vyasadeva is imaginary? Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: They say, some of them, there was not one Vyasadeva, but multiple Vyasas and all sorts of things. Prabhupada: So which Vyasa you accept? There may be multiple but which Vyasa? That means if someone… I do not know if there were multiple Vyasadeva. Dr. Patel: Vyasa is the surname. Prabhupada: No, Vyasa, Vyasadeva… The guru is called Vyasa. That is one… But the original Vyasa is one. Just like we. We worship the birthday of guru as Vyasa-puja day because guru is representative of Vyasa. [break] …eating, if this tambula is offered and sandal pulp, it becomes a garland. It becomes very comfortable. Yes. Yadubara: “When Akrura finished eating…” [break] Prabhupada: The guest may be comfortable. Sukham asinam. He is seated very nicely, comfortably, then talk. This is the system. Receiving guests and talking. [break] “Beware of dog. Beware of dog. I am living with dog. Don’t come here.” He poses that “I am friend of… Dog is my best friend, so don’t come here.” Yes. His overfaithfulness has obliged him to take the body of a dog. Yadubara: “The Vedic system of receiving a guest was completely observed by Lord Krsna Himself to teach all others how…” [break] Prabhupada: Even if you receive at home your enemy, you shall treat him in such a way that he is not afraid. Akuto ’bhayam. That “I have come to the house of enemy and he can do me harm at any time,” no. He should be received in such a way that he will be completely free from these thoughts, that “I am his enemy.” Dr. Patel: These Arabs were well known about receiving these guests like that, but they have learned from India. Prabhupada: Yes, they were all Indians. All this land… Now just like they have become Pakistan. They were Indians, Hindu. Because we degraded in our culture, the divisions, the so many divisions… Otherwise whole world are under Vedic culture. As soon as the brahmanas and the…, or ksatriyas, they degenerated, the whole society disrupted. Dr. Patel: Now the brahmana is trying to regenerate. Prabhupada: Now he is above brahmana. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. He is brahma-bhutah, not brahmana. brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [Bg. 18.54] Anyone who is in the devotional service, he is already brahma-bhutah prasannatma. Hare Krsna. [break] …Bengali proverb, Bengali tomar je balo asa, mussulmaner murgi pasa, (laughter) that “You love me just like the Mohammedan loves the murgi, chicken every day cutting one.” I thought that they are taking so much care of the cows but later I understood not taking care. They are making them fattened to kill. The whole Western world. Why America? In your country also. In England? This is the process. Letchmore Heath in our Bhaktivedanta Manor, so many cows were there. It is meant for killing. Dr. Patel: You know, when, during Christmas, they bring the turkey, they fatten it. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: These Christians, during the Christmas, they buy a turkey one month before… Prabhupada: But that is not the injunction of Christ. They have made it. Dr. Patel: No, no. That cannot be injunction of a saint like that. Prabhupada: No. He says, “Thou shall not kill,” general order. Dr. Patel: Christ was a great bhagavata-bhakta. Prabhupada: Hm? Dr. Patel: He was a bhakta. Prabhupada: Yes. I said in many lectures that Christianism means Vaisnavism. Where is the Christian? Dr. Patel: Vaisnavism. Totally Vaisnavism. Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Dr. Patel: Christianity it is really Vaisnavism, but they, unfortunately… The church… Prabhupada: Mohamedanism… Mohammedanism… Dr. Patel: The church has spoiled it. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: Church has defaced it. Prabhupada: Yes. Everywhere. Dr. Patel: It is the church, Christian church, which has defaced Christism. Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Everywhere the followers make the whole thing bungled. Hm. Go on. [break] Dr. Patel: [break] No, he saw them there. Prabhupada: No, he never went. Not that. Never went because all of them were thinking of Krsna always. Therefore He never went. Dr. Patel: But they met again in… Prabhupada: Vrndavanam parityajya na padam ekam gacchati. Krsna… Physically it was seen that Krsna left, but Krsna remained within their mind. Hare Krsna. Jaya. [break] No, Krsna came also. Sridhara: “We gopis of Vrndavana having left our homes, friends, and relatives have become Krsna’s maidservants but He is…” (end)
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
May 1, 1974, Bombay