Car Conversation
on the way to Chateau
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 12, 1974, Paris

Bhagavan: …modern buildings. And they’re very frustrated here.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Bhagavan: They’re becoming very violent.

Prabhupada: Education means producing rogues. [break]

Bhagavan: “…houses. Our houses are too expensive.” It’s a big problem everywhere.

Prabhupada: Why do they not go outside?

Bhagavan: The problem is in the cities.

Prabhupada: Yes. Rascals, they want to live in city and drink wine and eat meat. So there must be problems. This civilization is simply to create problems, anartha. Anartha. Anartha means unnecessarily problems. So these rascals, they do not know how to solve it. But the solution is this bhakti-yoga. That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam:

anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje lokasyajanato vidvams cakre satvata-samhitam

These anarthas, problems, they have created under the influence of maya. So if you want to solve it, you take to bhakti-yoga. Anarthopasamam. Directly it will be solved, directly. Anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam, lokasya ajanatah. The rascals, they do not know. Therefore vidvan, Vyasadeva, the most learned, vidvams cakre satvata-samhitam, he has done this satvata, Vaisnava literature, Srimad-Bhagavatam. That is the only solution. These rascals, they have created problems. Therefore we have started this Krsna consciousness movement for their benefit. Let them cooperate, and we shall make solution of all problems— political, social, everything. Let them come and cooperate. (pause) They are not agreeable to close the slaughterhouse? Yesterday, you were not present when that mayor came?

Bhagavan: I was there.

Prabhupada: I requested that “You are one of the important men. Why don’t you agree? Close the slaughterhouse. If you want to eat meat, take it when the cow is dead. We shall supply you?” What is their objection? What is the possible objection?

Bhagavan: Objection is that the people have become so impatient for sense gratification, they have no patience anymore. They can’t wait… There was some story. In the United States, there has been this trouble with petrol, and… All over the world, there’s been this trouble with petrol, gasoline. So there was rationing. That means people could only get a little gas. So the cars would line up for a great distance in the gas station, and they’d wait for a long time. And sometimes the gas station would run out of gas. And the people would get so angry that they killed the gas station attendant. [break] …does not teach anyone to be austere or patient.

Prabhupada: But human life is meant for austere and patience. Tapo divyam. Austerity, penance, that is human life. Otherwise, it is animal life. Simply animal civilization. It is not human civilization. Hare Krsna… (car is in gas station, conversation in car about how much gas to get, etc.) [break] …progressing, they stand their own position, as they are made by nature. Therefore there is no criminality. They are under full control of nature. We are also under full control of nature, but we have been given little concession: to cultivate spiritual knowledge. So that intelligence, extra intelligence, what we have got, instead of cultivating spiritual knowledge, we are using in the same process of sense gratification like the animals. And this, this business, this, means animalistic business in a polished way, is going on as civilization. Actually, it is animalistic. But it is little decorated or polished, and they have accepted, “This is civilization.” In other words, they do not know what is human civilization. They do not know. They’re animals. They do not know. Hare Krsna… (about getting gas:) For this service, they do charge anything? No.

Bhagavan: No. (more conversation with gas station attendant, etc.) [break] It is very known that the family is very strong, the family attachment is very strong. In America, people separate from the family very early. And in France, the family attachment is so strong. And many people, many families have come and asked us if we will be able to open school here for their children too. The interest is there. Everyone is afraid of this present system of schooling. Because they send their children there, and they come back so crazy.

Prabhupada: Rogues. Rogues. After education, they are rogues only (pause) [break]

Bhagavan: …take breakfast a little earlier. Is that O.K? And then this other gentleman can come with us and we can go faster that way. Because their truck is slow. [break] …human being, those who have system of religion? Is that what makes them civilized? So the society today, even though it seems to be technologically advanced, can that society be called civilized? No.

Prabhupada: So long technological advancement is meant for bodily comforts, so, so long one remains in the bodily concept of life, he’s animal. (pause) (end)