Morning Walk Conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
March 22, 1976, Mayapura, (new98)

Prabhupada: Yei bhaje sei boro. Here is woman (indistinct) engaged in worshiping (indistinct), she is great. Yei bhaje sei boro. So why should we hurt woman? Anyone who is engaged in service, he is big. The dress is not important. The advancement of Krsna consciousness is important. We have to see from that formula. Just like we sometimes have to dress like ordinary gentleman and sell books. Does it mean he is deviating? No. He’s serving Krsna, dress or no dress. It doesn’t matter. If you stick to the dress, “Oh, I have taken sannyasi, I cannot…” He cannot sell the books. Where is your service influence? You must give service first. Hare Krsna. Is that Lilavati? No. It is Lilavati? No. I was thinking that she is Lilavati dressed like a widow, because she never likes to be widow. (laughter)

Pusta Krsna: That’s Hridayananda’s old wife.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusta Krsna: That’s Hridayananda’s old wife.

Prabhupada: Oh, Dayananda’s?

Pusta Krsna: Hridayananda Swami.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Pancadravida: She is widow.

Prabhupada: Nobody is widow, because Krsna is ultimate husband. Hare Krsna.

Devotee: Jaya Prabhupada!

Prabhupada: Jaya!

Children: Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Jaya Prabhupada! Jaya Prabhupada!

Prabhupada: Jaya!

Children: Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Hari bol!

Prabhupada: Hari bol! So where is the artist for painting?

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Photograph?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Jaya. Hare Krsna. [break] Make the bullock cart an international. They’ll be surprised. Hare Krsna. Bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. We must be always convinced that if we simply take up the knowledge given by Krsna, then you are perfect. That’s all. If little success is there for me than other swamis and yogis, it is due to my conviction on this point. I never compromised with anything which is not spoken by Krsna. Did you mark it or not?

Pusta Krsna: Yes.

Devotee: One time you told us, Srila Prabhupada, to meet every man at his door and ask him to give up everything he knows and chant Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is simple. “You rascal, you give up whatever you have learned, you chant Hare Krsna.” Don’t say “rascal,” but indirectly (laughter), that “Whatever you have learned, it is all nonsense.” Sakalam eva vihaya durat, “You give up everything, kicked out, and simply become adherent to Caitanya.” This is our preaching. And what Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, yare dekha, tare kaha ‘krsna’-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128], that’s all. Because ultimately He is Krsna.

Pancadravida: Can you repeat why you said you have been successful where others have not?

Prabhupada: Because I stick to Krsna’s word. I, therefore, present Bhagavad-gita as it is. We do not make any amendment nor accept any amendment. And, therefore, we decry everything—Gandhi, Dr. Radhakrishnan, Aurobindo, this, that—all rascals. Because they tried to amend it. That is admitted by the science professor. They have all tried to make it modernized, but I have not done. Here is the spiritual master in the disciplic succession, so we remain indebted to him to understand the original traditional knowledge.

Devotee: Also that professor from Mexico City, he appreciated.

Prabhupada: Yes, everyone who is after truth will accept. If he’s a bogus, if you want to be cheated and cheat others, that will not. Ninety-nine percent, they are cheaters and cheated. This is the position. All these cheaters they are cheating, and they accept to be cheated. If I am very clever that I don’t want to be cheated, then nobody can cheat me. But these rascals, they want to be cheated. If you say, “No, no, what is the wrong in illicit sex?” That means you want to be cheated. And if you say, “(indistinct) this swami is very conservative.” This is the position. We want cheap things because we want to be cheated. And there are so many cheaters, they will take advantage and cheat you. This is going on.

Pancadravida: Allen Ginsberg, he said that, that you were very conservative.

Prabhupada: Yes, because he wants to be cheated. And he cheats others. Some followers, he is cheating.

Pancadravida: Yato mat tato pat.

Prabhupada: Yato mat tato pat. Yes, this is going on. This business, cheaters and cheated. We preach to one, the innocent persons who are being cheated, and we don’t want to cheat anybody, but what Krsna says. Our business is very simple.

Devotee: So we should expose these bogus…

Prabhupada: Yes, we are exposing, that is our business.

Devotee: Actually, by making such wonders they are exposing themselves.

Prabhupada: That is fact.

Devotee: Just like Guru Maharaj-ji.

Prabhupada: Anyone, why Guru Maharaj-ji, any Maharaja. Any man who will speak something which is not in the instruction of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Krsna, he is cheating. Hare Krsna.

Pusta Krsna: But if we take that we are the only way, then people call us fanatics.

Prabhupada: They may say. They are themselves fanatics. Who cares for them? If a madman says you are madman, I have to accept? No. He must be a sane man. Then there is some meaning. He is calling me madman, but he is a… If I am blind and if another man, he is blind, he says you are blind, so what is the use?

Pusta Krsna: So is the principle to first prove that they are insane and then afterwards that we’re sane, or first to prove that we’re sane and then…

Prabhupada: Our proof is that we are following the sane man’s instruction, or sane being, the Supreme Being. There cannot be any mistake. Therefore, we are sane.

Devotee: They say they are also following.

Prabhupada: No. Therefore, why they are changing? We don’t change, millions of years. What Krsna said, we are following the same. But they change every year.

Pancadravida: That Vairagi Bhava, he showed up in Hong Kong, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Pancadravida: You know that person who gives us the mandir in Vrndavana and… What’s his name? We stay at that Fogal Ashram every year? Vairagi Bhava?

Prabhupada: Vairagi Bhava.

Pancadravida: He showed up in Hong Kong. He said that “There are two great influences in my life: one Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who taught me service…, who taught me devotion,” and he said, “Ramakrishna, who taught us service to man.” He also showed up with one woman sannyasini or something.

Devotee: Service to man. (laughter)

Prabhupada: Especially woman. (laughter)

Pancadravida: And wearing saffron too. You gave him an offer he could travel and become…, and take part in our movement if he was willing to preach Bhagavad-gita as it is.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pancadravida: He did not accept.

Prabhupada: That means he wants to cheat. (loud kirtana—end)