Conversation in Airport and Car Pusta Krsna: …Chapter, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru mam evaisyasi yuktvaivam atmanam mat-parayanah [Bg. 9.34] This is the dharma, and Krsna comes personally to establish it. And He makes distinction in the Fourth Chapter, dharma-samsthapanarthaya. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, abhyutthanam adharmasya [Bg. 4.7] He distinguishes between adharma and dharma. And He’s establishing at the end of Ninth Chapter that the dharma is to become His devotee, to think of Him, to worship Him and to offer all obeisances to Him. And that persons who reject this dharma or who have no information of this dharma, they have to revolve in the cycle of birth and death, not achieving Krsna. Prabhupada: The beginning is to understand this transmigration. But actually people do not understand. Cycle of birth and death, if one does not understand what is birth and death, what he’ll understand of cycle of birth and death? Mostly because they do not understand what is birth and what is death, they are mostly going on on the bodily concept of life. That is animal life. Ask anybody. Bodily concept. And everything is going on. We pass through Canada to USA. Why Canada? Why USA? This bodily concept. It is meant for the Canadians, it is meant for USA, Americans. Immigration, customs, the same mentality as a dog coming from other neighborhood. The other dogs, they all come together, “Yow, yow, why you have come, why you have come?” In civilized dress only. This is the position. What is the difference between the dog’s mentality… When another dog comes to another neighborhood, these neighborhood dogs, you know that? All animals: “Yow, why you have come?” So this department, “Why you have come here?” dogs barking, and this immigration, what is the difference? Is there any difference? This is our policy. Very difficult. [break] …they will understand Krsna consciousness. Their mentality is not better than the animals. Hari-sauri: It’s probably a lot worse. Prabhupada: Yes. Worse, because animal has got some limit, but a human being who has developed consciousness, it is unlimited. Just like a thief is thief, but when an attorney-at-law is a thief, he’s a very big thief. Huh? Hari-sauri: When a man’s educated to know the difference… Prabhupada: Ordinary thief and educated thief. In your country there are many lawyers. Their only business is how to cheat. Hari-sauri: Every lawyer. Because they’re trying to make money as well, only they’re in a better position. Prabhupada: Big, big lawyers, through this real estatement. I have got bitter experience. People go to real estate man, he has got, say, five thousand dollars, and he wants to purchase one hundred thousand worth property. And they’ll say, “Yes. We shall arrange.” He will, in such a way, implicate, that he will take this five thousand dollars, and it will be divided amongst them. He will not give anything. Hari-sauri: We lost quite a bit of property in Detroit because of that lawyer of Ambarisa’s. That lawyer of Ambarisa’s, when they did the Detroit deal, they said they lost quite a bit of movable property because the lawyer did a deal with the real estate agent to take it away for himself. He got that boat very cheap, and other things also. Prabhupada: Lawyer is thief, medical man is thief. Hari-sauri: All thieves. They’re all thieves. Prabhupada: Then whom to believe? Whom to believe, this is the question. Hari-sauri: The general public, they are becoming very bitter, very frustrated, because they can’t turn to anyone for protection anymore. The government is the biggest thief. Prabhupada: Dasyu-dharmabhih. It is stated that all government men will be rogues and thieves. Rajanyair dasyu-dharmabhih. Rajanyaih means government men, and dasyu-dharma means practiced to roguery, thieves. Hari-sauri: American police are well known for being corrupt. Prabhupada: Everywhere. In India. Police means everyone takes, first of all (indistinct). Visvakarma: They can be saved only by your mercy, Srila Prabhupada, and the mercy of Lord Caitanya. Prabhupada: Yes. It is by the mercy of Krsna only you are saved. Otherwise, our Bombay construction was rejected by the police constable, that kirtana is nuisance. Public servant, he can say, blaspheme a religious system, Bhagavad-gita, in the same country, Bhagavad-gita. And India is condemning now, government men: “Kirtana is nuisance.” Hari-sauri: Temporarily, at least, it seems the demons are very powerful. Prabhupada: They will become powerful. And people will be less intelligent—means less God conscious. Just like when the king is weak, thieves and rogues, they flourish. Hari-sauri: So we just have to be very strong and uncompromising. Prabhupada: How you can compromise with thieves and rogues? Boarding time? Pusta Krsna: The flight leaves at 5:05. They’ll call. They’ll call when it’s time. The plane doesn’t appear to be here just yet. Prabhupada: Although they are poor, still they can understand it easily, very easily, that you are not this body; there is God; if you don’t become devotee, you’ll remain in this material world. These things they will immediately understand. Hari-sauri: How is it that, say, obviously they must be backed by very great pious activity, but somehow or other, they… Prabhupada: Therefore they have taken birth in India. Hari-sauri: Is that special mercy that they seem to be impoverished? Prabhupada: Hm? Hari-sauri: Is that special arrangement that they seem to be impoverished? Say like the villagers, they’re not very wealthy, or, uh… Prabhupada: That is due to misgovernment. There is no king; all rogues and thieves are in the government. Mismanagement. It is the government duty to see that everyone is doing nicely so that they can live peacefully, happily. There must be direction. Just like parentless children. Nobody is to take care; they’ll be wretched. So India’s position is like that. The parentless children. There is no good government. And they supply this control wheat that is not even touchable. Unfit for human consumption. There is a worm… Hari-sauri: Control wheat? Prabhupada: Yes. They purchase from here and there all rejected wheat, and they supply it. There is no ghee, no milk, no proper food grain. Everything black market. Any necessary commodity you cannot have in the open market; you have to purchase in black market. Just like for the building purpose, cement. In your country you can purchase any amount of it. You cannot purchase. You have to purchase black market, and that cement also mixed with some… What is that? And unless you give some bribe, it is not possible. [break] Visvakarma: …for the balcony in the church in the other room? How can we… (announcement being made) Prabhupada: …fit for sitting. That is very nice. And next time when I come the seat should be just Deity altar, so that all balcony can see. Visvakarma: Seat should be? Prabhupada: My seat should be near the altar of the Deity. Hari-sauri: The vyasasana. Like in Los Angeles, at the side? On the left-hand side? Prabhupada: Not left-hand side. Just like you are facing Deity and there are spaces here. Visvakarma: Between the doors. Prabhupada: Yes. Visvakarma: Which side, Srila Prabhupada? On the left-hand side or the right-hand side of the Deity, facing towards the altar? Prabhupada: Any side. Visvakarma: Any side? How far away from the front? In the middle so that they can see from the balcony as well. (child calls out) Prabhupada: Yes. Prabhupada? Pusta Krsna: Sounded like it. Hari-sauri: Sounded like it. I don’t think it could have been though. Not a devotee. Prabhupada: Child is… Devotee: Could be Buffalo. Pusta Krsna: No, it’s not. I see the child. Devotee: He’ll have the same benediction as Ajamila. (child calls out “Prabhupada”) Prabhupada: He knows me. [break] Devotee: Should there be a canopy over top of the vyasasana? Prabhupada: No, no canopy. [break] …to fly to our New Vrindaban? How long it takes? Pusta Krsna: I asked Kirtanananda. He said about one hour, twenty, twenty-five minutes. (break—new sequence in car) Prabhupada: Let us see what is the reception. [break] We have come from a different way. From Buffalo. Kirtanananda: Yes, you had to come from Buffalo. [break] …take to get to Buffalo? Prabhupada: Three hours. Hari-sauri: No, only about an hour and a half. Prabhupada: Hour and half? Hari-sauri: Yes. Prabhupada: No, no. Kirtanananda: To the airport from Toronto? Hari-sauri: From leaving Toronto, we left one o’clock, and we arrived at, it was about two hours. We arrived just after three. Kirtanananda: Some devotees were there from Buffalo? Prabhupada: Oh, yes. [break] Kirtanananda: …had a very nice place for you. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. [break] People are being kept in such an ignorant way that they do not care about sinful activities. They can do anything for sense gratification. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [Bhag. 5.5.4] Actually, there is no advancement of civilization. They are thinking, they are running on four-wheel motorcar, and the dog is running on four legs. What is the quality change? This is going on in the name of civilization, and people are kept in ignorance. Where is the advancement? Running by motorcar is advancement? They have no knowledge that there is next life, and “Today I am running on Ford car, tomorrow I may have to run like dog on four legs.” Kirtanananda: They do not think like that. Prabhupada: So this is ignorance, this is ignorance. And they are kept, the whole world—the state, the father, the guardian, everyone, the priest. Everyone is ignorant. Dull-headed ignorant. And they are passing on as philosopher, scientist, religious leader. [break] …hard to bring them to Krsna consciousness. Taking these few years, fifty years or sixty years living here, and dance like dog and finish. There is no life. You die peacefully or (indistinct). And not dying peacefully, they cry. Hare Krsna. Kirtanananda: How to save them is very difficult. Prabhupada: Simply chant. This is the only. Give them chance to come and chant with us, take prasada. Then after few days or few months, let them understand Bhagavad-gita. Devotee: We have all got this experience. Prabhupada: You have all got this experience. This is the only way. I started this movement on this determination, that they have nothing to give, simply by propaganda they are exacting so many people and befooling them. And I’ll give them prasada, nice chanting, and they will not come? They must come. This was my determination. And I began with this. So this is the only way. Give them chance “No talk, please come. Chant and dance with us and take krsna-prasada and go home.” Kirtanananda: I think it was just ten years ago when I first met you. Prabhupada: Yes. I never said that “You have to give up this, you have to do this.” Never said. Then gradually ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. When the heart becomes cleansed, then little. There is no hopelessness. So many people have come, and they are coming. Both black, white, everyone is coming. There is no question of (indistinct). But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Krsna movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on—in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on. That is your… (indistinct) And this movement is meant for these fourth-class, fifth-class, tenth-class men. Not this movement is fourth class, fifth class. They are so fallen that they cannot be counted even third class, fourth class—tenth-class of men. Deliver them. Patita-pavana-hetu tava avatara. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s incarnation is for delivering these classes of men. Caitanya Mahaprabhu never meant to start this movement for high- class brahmanas, sages, saintly persons—no. This class of men. For the all fallen. Don’t be disappointed, go on, go on. Stick to the principles. When there was no response, I did not know where to live, where to eat. Sometimes at Dr. Mishra’s, sometimes with some friend somewhere. Where to live. And I was going to inquire the shipping company when the next ship returning to India. Still I was renewing my visa: “Let us hope. Let us hope.” In this way, we started Second Avenue in month of July, I think? Kirtanananda: June or July. Prabhupada: Yes, June or July, yes, June. Then Hayagriva and Kirtanananda Maharaja, they came first. Before that, Mukunda came. Hari-sauri: He’s the oldest devotee? Mukunda? He’s the oldest devotee? Prabhupada: Yes. There were others, they have left. That Mr. Green. Kirtanananda: Jagannatha dasa. I think you named him Jagannatha. Prabhupada: And Ravindra-svarupa. Kirtanananda: Carl, Carl. Prabhupada: Carl, yes. He has left. Washington directly? This road? Kirtanananda: Not Washington, D.C., this is Washington, Pennsylvania. Prabhupada: This is Pennsylvania state? Kirtanananda: Yes. The girls were saying that today at the airport was the most demoniac day they ever had. Prabhupada: Eh? Kirtanananda: Today was the most demoniac day at the airport they’ve ever had. They’re getting very, very nasty. Every time they talked to someone, they come up and they say, “Don’t take it. Don’t take it. They’re ripping you off. They’re ‘Moon’ people.” Prabhupada: “Moon people”? What is that? Kirtanananda: You know there’s a lot of publicity right now about this Korean so-called spiritual master, Moon. Hari-sauri: We just read one article in the U.S. News, shows a picture, that man it describes. Kirtanananda: It is causing a big stir, these “Moon” people. He has just bought the hotel in New York for five millions dollars. Prabhupada: He is also against our movement? Kirtanananda: Well, I wouldn’t say…, he never says anything about our movement. But they are equating us with him. The public is sometimes equating us with him and these other rascals. He claims that Jesus Christ never lived to fulfill his mission, which was to establish the perfect family. They killed him before he got married. So he has come, and he has all these wives. At least he used to, all his, whenever any of his disciples would get married, first he would have their wife. Prabhupada: And they’re doing that? (laughs) Kirtanananda: People cannot distinguish between what is true and what is bogus. [break] Prabhupada: …sophistication. [break] …reminds me of a place in Germany. Heidelburg. Kirtanananda: Yes. Prabhupada: Like New Vrindaban? Kirtanananda: Yes, you’ll find so many places in this country named… This probably was originally a settlement of German people. [break] I don’t know. It was a chemical plant. Prabhupada: These things are not required at all, but they have created. They are called anartha, unnecessarily diverting valuable attention of the human being to waste their time and energy and next life become a dog. That they do not know. This science is unknown to them. They’ll believe, “This life finished, everything finished. That’s all.” [break] …is working. That they do not know. Life is eternal, and how they are under the cycle of birth and death, nothing. Yavad jivet sukham jivet.(?) Carvaka philosophy. So long you live, live happily. But actually they are not living happily. To work in this factory is not happy. They are not happy men. But they are thinking they are happy. Just like the hog eating stool, he is happy. This is gross ignorance. Actually, therefore, there is revolt against these capitalist. There is another unhappiness. Now there is strike. So where is happiness? If there is happiness, why there is strike? Why there is so many strikes? Why there is protest? There is no happiness. But they are thinking… Whole thing is based on ignorance, maya. Anartha upasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje. And the direct method for subduing these anarthas, unnecessary troubles—bhakti-yoga. There is no other. Anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje, lokasya ajanatah. People do not know it. Vidvams cakre satvata-samhitam. Therefore Vyasadeva, most learned scholar, he has made this Bhagavatam. Anarthopasamam saksat. [break] I was translating the Bhagavata, Eighth Canto, Twelfth Chapter. Hari-sauri: How many chapters is there? Prabhupada: Twenty-four. Half-finished, half-finished, Eighth Canto. Kirtanananda: What is Eighth Canto like? What does Eighth Canto contain? Prabhupada: Eighth Canto? Churning of the ocean and producing nectar, and the demons they did not receive the nectar. There was fight. Hari-sauri: And the story of Gajendra as well? Prabhupada: Gajendra, that is I think Seventh Canto, no? Hari-sauri: Beginning of the Eighth. Prabhupada: Yes. Gajendra also. Hari-sauri: That means four parts. That means four books for the Eighth Canto. Prabhupada: Yes. Kirtanananda: Each volume is more wonderful. Each volume… Prabhupada: Ah? Oh, yes. There is no comparison of this literature. Kirtanananda: I think before you came, Bhagavatam was unknown. Prabhupada: Unknown, yes. The Ramakrishna Mission published one Bhagavatam commentary. You know that? Farce. They, these Ramakrishna Mission people have done the greatest harm to the Vedic culture. Of course it is not taken very seriously, Ramakrishna Mission. Hari-sauri: Not in the West. Prabhupada: But they publicized in India that they have made all, everyone In India they were doing like that. “Vivekananda Road,” “Vivekananda Square,” and rascals, they do not inquire even what is Vivekananda’s contribution. Pradulika(?) prabhava. Hari-sauri: You made a good point about why although now thousands of American boys and girls are coming to India, no one is going to the Ramakrishna Mission, so what kind of impact has he had? Prabhupada: In Vrndavana they have got hospital and Ramakrishna temple. Who is going there? This is practical example. In our temple, thousands and thousands of foreign boys and girls are coming, and who is going there? It is because actually, if they did something, they should at least gone there out of inquisitiveness: “Oh, where is Vivekananda?” Nobody going. Not even to pass urine there. (laughter) [break] Kirtanananda: That Japanese tape recorder. Prabhupada: And Hichai is, this is called Hichai? That is “hitchhike,” and this is Hitch-hi. Hari-sauri: Hitachi. Prabhupada: Hitachi, yes. This is a church? Kirtanananda: No, this is an institution, state institution for old people or mental home. I forget. “Western State School.” [break] Prabhupada: …Hayagriva. Kirtanananda: I think he’s in Los Angeles. Prabhupada: Yes. Kirtanananda: I’m trying to get him to bring his boy to New Vrindaban. He’s down there with those meat-eaters. Prabhupada: She is not agreeable? I think that she is not very well treated by her husband. Kirtanananda: No. Prabhupada: Therefore… Otherwise, she is a good girl. Kirtanananda: Hayagriva’s very (indistinct). Prabhupada: I know she is a good girl. He has disrupted his family also. Kirtanananda: If a devotee doesn’t follow the principles, then he is sure to suffer. Nothing can be gained in his family life. Prabhupada: I thought that he is happy in family life. His father and mother came to congratulate him. Kirtanananda: He was better in Los Angeles when I saw him last week than I’ve seen him in a long time. Prabhupada: Yes. Kirtanananda: He never lost his sentiment for you. Prabhupada: No, that I know. Therefore I like. Kirtanananda: But he’s addicted to his bad habits. Prabhupada: He’ll be corrected. There is no hopelessness. Kirtanananda: I’ve always felt that, but it makes it difficult to live with him in the meantime. (laughter) Prabhupada: Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Adi 17.21]. Is that railway line? No. [break] There are some roads in Los Angeles (indistinct) That is America. Everywhere. Kirtanananda: Big cars and big roads. Prabhupada: Opulence. Hari-sauri: America seems to be one big highway. Prabhupada: They have got cars and they have got roads also. Very good. That’s all right. But why they should give up the real business of life? Hari-sauri: I don’t think it’s so much that they gave it up; they didn’t ever know what it was. Prabhupada: There was no preaching. There was no education on this subject. The Christian priests, they are unable to… Kirtanananda: They have no knowledge themselves. How they can teach? Hari-sauri: They are all giving up out of hopelessness themselves. Prabhupada: Yes. They are now asking… In Melbourne the priest asked me, “Swamiji, why Christian religion is dwindling? What we have done?” I told them, “What you have not done?” (laughs) They were little insulted. Hari-sauri: That first time you visited that monastery, the man that was in charge, the head monk there, after you had visited, a short while later he left and he went to India looking for enlightenment. Prabhupada: Perhaps it was some shock when I said that “What you have not done?” They received me very well. [break] Kirtanananda: Altogether about an hour and half. About forty-five minutes more. Prabhupada: What is being done with Hayagriva’s house? Kirtanananda: I bought that from him. There are a few devotees there right now. Prabhupada: No, the other house. Kirtanananda: Which one? The original farm? Prabhupada: No, not original. Kirtanananda: That’s the one I’m talking about. Prabhupada: Tulasi? Kirtanananda: No, they’re just wild flowers. Prabhupada: Very nice. Hari-sauri: Very fragrant. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] Kirtanananda: There’s plenty of milk and ghee. Prabhupada: This is human food. They do not know how to eat, the Westerners. [break] Kirtanananda: …ever eat these nice foods they give up so much sinful activity, very easily. Prabhupada: Hm? Kirtanananda: By just eating nice foods they can give up so much sinful activity. Prabhupada: Who has made them? Kirtanananda: Different devotees, mother Lakhima, mother (indistinct). Hari-sauri: Combined effort. Kirtanananda: Tamala has said that there’s only one other place in the US now that has Vedic cooking. [break] Prabhupada: Facility to get enough ghee. Hari-sauri: Fresh vegetables, everything. [break] Kirtanananda: …Indians come and they always say, “Who has taught you to cook like this?” We tell them, “Srila Prabhupada has taught us everything.” Prabhupada: (indistinct) [break] Many Indians come? Kirtanananda: Yes. [break] …membership program now. Hari-sauri: There were about three or four hundred Indians came to the feast yesterday. No, not yesterday, on Sunday. Prabhupada: Six hundred. Hari-sauri: Six hundred. Kirtanananda: In Toronto? Hari-sauri: Yes, very big turnout. Big turnout also in Detroit. Same in Detroit. I never realized there were so many Indians all over the world. Prabhupada: Generally, they are engaged in education. Hari-sauri: I know in England they all have responsible jobs. Doctors and like that. Prabhupada: There are many medical practitioners. I have, I learned that British people, they like Indian physicians. Hari-sauri: Oh, yes, they’re very popular. Prabhupada: They have got faith that these people treat carefully. One civil surgeon(?) is a Bengali in London. Civil surgeon(?). You have heard this Aurabindo? His father was a medical practitioner in England, and he was born there. Hari-sauri: His mother was Indian also or…? No. [break] Prabhupada: Indian families, they are living for two, three generation. [break] …teaching them how to make home comfortable, they’ll be trained up to become prostitutes. How to kill time. [break] Hari-sauri: I think Tamala was saying in New York they need good cooks there. Tamala was saying that in New York they don’t have very good cooks there. Prabhupada: Nowhere there is good cook except here. (laughter) Kirtanananda Maharaja is good cook. Hari-sauri: He’s trained everybody up very nicely. Kirtanananda: Prabhupada knows how to flatter. Well, I think even we could not cook so good in Boston or New York. Without being in Vrndavana and the natural ingredients, it is not so… Prabhupada: You can supply them ghee. Kirtanananda: Yes, we can do that. Prabhupada: You grow podina? Podina? Mint? Mint? Kirtanananda: Mint? Yes. Prabhupada: Chutney. Kirtanananda: Mint chutney. How do you make mint chutney? Prabhupada: I’ll teach you. You have got mango? Kirtanananda: Yes. Prabhupada: I’ll teach you. Chili? Kirtanananda: They are not ripe yet. The plants are still too small. Prabhupada: They are not giving chili? Kirtanananda: Not yet, it is too early. In August. But I can get. I can get green chili. [break] Prabhupada: …something to drink? Kirtanananda: No. Hari-sauri: I don’t know what happened to that orange juice. Someone else was carrying it. [break] Prabhupada: …because it is also nice. Kirtanananda: That is your mercy. Prabhupada: So this was my dream, that a place should be there where we can get all nice foods, best foods, of milk. Krsna is fulfilling our desire. Everything’s there. Simply these rascals they do not know how to live or to eat. Everything there. Intelligence is there, everything is there. Simply for want of training they have become rogues. Make them human beings, your countrymen. Everyone should follow the duty. Materially and spiritually. Anyway… Here is very nice. It is a winter season of Kali-yuga. These months, June, July, August, up to September? Kirtanananda: No, actually up to November. The devotees like the winter, though. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Kirtanananda: It is even more conducive to think of Krsna in the winter. Prabhupada: So the neighbors they like it? Neighborhood men? Kirtanananda: Most of them like us. There are a few that don’t like us. But they are not violent. They are a little nasty. Prabhupada: Nasty they have been trained up to be. (Sanskrit) Once trained up nastily, it is very difficult to… Kirtanananda: The state police in this local area has become very favorable to us. During that quarantine the state police had to stay here. So they even began to come to arati. They took our books; they were reading. There’s been a lot of change in some of the government. Some of the government men are now much favorable, more understanding. Prabhupada: Whatever was there, it was due to misunderstanding. Kirtanananda: The sheriff is very favorable, the judge. That judge that came to see you last time you were here, he still keeps a picture of you in his desk. Prabhupada: Oh. Kirtanananda: When the palace is finished we will have nice ceremonies, and many of the local dignitaries will come. [break] Prabhupada: …begins? Kirtanananda: Moundsville is that way about five miles. We are almost to New Vrindaban now. Two miles. Prabhupada: Yes. Our post office is Moundsville. Kirtanananda: Yes. Do you want to go directly to your quarters, or do you want to stop by the temple? Prabhupada: Yes, temple. Deities open? Kirtanananda: Yes. Prabhupada: Then… [break] Actually it is gradually expanding in these quarters. [break] Kirtanananda: …on a local television soon. That will be very good propaganda for us. Prabhupada: Yes. It is shown? Or no, not yet. Kirtanananda: Not yet. Prabhupada: One thing you have missed: how we are preparing all these foodstuffs. Kirtanananda: It was too short. In the movie? It was too short how to prepare it? Prabhupada: Yes. How from milk in different stages you get this foodstuff, kacuris, srngara,(?) sandesa, rabri. And this chana, if fried, if you prepare nicely with little hing and ginger, then it will exactly taste like meat. They’ll forget. If you give them without telling them, they will think that they’re eating meat. Kirtanananda: Hing and what? Prepare with hing and? Prabhupada: Ginger. Kirtanananda: Ginger. Prabhupada: They prepare the semiliquid meat like that. You give them little piece and they will not understand that it is not meat. Hari-sauri: When we were in Los Angeles, Palika made some bara and it tasted… Pusta Krsna Maharaja wouldn’t eat it. He said it tasted too much like fish. Prabhupada: With urad dal, you can prepare fishy taste. Hari-sauri: Someone told me that your Guru Maharaja said that. Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Anyone who is not taking urad dal, he must be taking fish silently, secretly. [break] Kirtanananda: Not on this side, other side. I want to buy that farm there. Prabhupada: This barn, Vrndavana. What is this building? Kirtanananda: They are constructing a… I have a big carpenter shop, a construction shop, a printing shop. And upstairs there will be a big hall for Janmastami that holds seven, eight hundred people. There is another, that’s our guesthouse building we’re building there. You can see the top two floors, with the arches. Prabhupada: What is this? Another barn? Kirtanananda: This is an oxbarn here. Prabhupada: No, this. Kirtanananda: That tank? That tank we are making for grain storage. Prabhupada: Oh, much improvement. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 21, 1976, Toronto