0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,294 Bg 15-01 CAL 1974-02-26 The Purpose of Vedic Study 1 00:00:16,295 --> 00:00:21,521 ANNOUNCER: The following is a class on the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, 15th chapter, 2 00:00:21,522 --> 00:00:29,254 text number 1, given by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:29,255 --> 00:00:47,665 recorded on the 26th of February, 1974, in Calcutta, India. 4 00:00:47,666 --> 00:00:50,665 NITĀI: Translation: The Blessed Lord said: 5 00:00:50,666 --> 00:00:55,898 There is a banyan tree which has its roots upward and its branches downward, 6 00:00:55,899 --> 00:00:58,369 whose leaves are the Vedic hymns. 7 00:00:58,370 --> 00:01:03,681 One who knows this tree is the knower of the Vedas. 8 00:01:03,682 --> 00:01:08,256 Purport: After the discussion of the importance of bhakti-yoga, 9 00:01:08,257 --> 00:01:11,705 one may question, “What about the Vedas?” 10 00:01:11,706 --> 00:01:13,363 It is explained in this chapter 11 00:01:13,364 --> 00:01:17,138 that the purpose of Vedic study is to understand Kṛṣṇa. 12 00:01:17,139 --> 00:01:19,991 Therefore one who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, 13 00:01:19,992 --> 00:01:25,448 who is engaged in devotional service, already knows the Vedas. 14 00:01:25,449 --> 00:01:30,759 The entanglement of this material world is compared here to a banyan tree. 15 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,050 For one who is engaged in fruitive activities, 16 00:01:34,051 --> 00:01:36,605 there is no end to the banyan tree. 17 00:01:36,606 --> 00:01:41,394 He wanders from one… one branch to another, to another, to another. 18 00:01:41,395 --> 00:01:45,770 The tree of this material world has no end, for one who is attached to this tree, 19 00:01:45,771 --> 00:01:48,565 there is no possibility of liberation. 20 00:01:48,566 --> 00:01:54,450 The Vedic hymns, meant for elevating oneself, are called the leaves of this tree. 21 00:01:54,451 --> 00:01:59,028 This tree’s roots grow upward because they begin from where Brahmā is located, 22 00:01:59,029 --> 00:02:02,187 the topmost planet of this universe. 23 00:02:02,188 --> 00:02:08,984 If one can understand this indestructible tree of illusion, then one can get out of it. 24 00:02:08,985 --> 00:02:13,885 This process of extrication should be understood. 25 00:02:13,886 --> 00:02:16,658 In the previous chapters it has been explained 26 00:02:16,659 --> 00:02:21,273 that there are many processes by which to get out of the material entanglement. 27 00:02:21,274 --> 00:02:22,906 And, up to the Thirteenth Chapter, 28 00:02:22,907 --> 00:02:27,593 we have seen that devotional service to the Supreme Lord is the best way. 29 00:02:27,594 --> 00:02:31,020 Now, the basic principle of devotional service is detachment 30 00:02:31,021 --> 00:02:35,741 from material activities and attachment to the transcendental service of the Lord. 31 00:02:35,742 --> 00:02:39,448 The process of breaking attachment to the material world is discussed 32 00:02:39,449 --> 00:02:41,416 in the beginning of this chapter. 33 00:02:41,417 --> 00:02:45,358 The root of this material existence grows upward. 34 00:02:45,359 --> 00:02:48,892 This means that it begins from the total material substance, 35 00:02:48,893 --> 00:02:51,422 from the topmost planet of the universe. 36 00:02:51,423 --> 00:02:54,028 From there, the whole universe is expanded, 37 00:02:54,029 --> 00:02:58,208 with so many branches, representing the various planetary systems. 38 00:02:58,209 --> 00:03:02,680 The fruits represent the results of the living entities’ activities, namely, 39 00:03:02,681 --> 00:03:07,949 religion, economic development, sense gratification and liberation. 40 00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:12,141 Now, there is no ready experience in this world of a tree 41 00:03:12,142 --> 00:03:18,180 situated with its branches down and its roots up, but there is such a thing. 42 00:03:18,181 --> 00:03:22,069 That tree can be found beside a reservoir of water. 43 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:25,336 We can see that the trees on the bank reflect upon the water 44 00:03:25,337 --> 00:03:28,194 with their branches down and roots up. 45 00:03:28,195 --> 00:03:30,304 In other words, the tree of this material world 46 00:03:30,305 --> 00:03:34,199 is only a reflection of the real tree of the spiritual world. 47 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,975 This reflection of the spiritual world is situated on desire, 48 00:03:37,976 --> 00:03:41,656 just as the tree’s reflection is situated on water. 49 00:03:41,657 --> 00:03:48,535 Desire is the cause of things’ being situated in this reflected material light. 50 00:03:48,536 --> 00:03:51,642 One who wants to get out of this material existence 51 00:03:51,643 --> 00:03:55,425 must know this tree thoroughly through analytical study. 52 00:03:55,426 --> 00:03:59,258 Then he can cut off his relationship with it. 53 00:03:59,259 --> 00:04:04,535 This tree, being the reflection of the real tree, is an exact replica. 54 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:07,599 Everything is there in the spiritual world. 55 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,941 The impersonalists take Brahmā to be the root of this material tree, 56 00:04:11,942 --> 00:04:17,296 and from the root, according to sāṅkhya philosophy, come prakṛti, puruṣa, 57 00:04:17,297 --> 00:04:23,177 and then the three guṇas, then the five gross elements [pañca-mahābhūta], 58 00:04:23,178 --> 00:04:28,387 then the ten senses [daśendriya], mind, etc. 59 00:04:28,388 --> 00:04:31,595 In this way they divide up the whole material world. 60 00:04:31,596 --> 00:04:34,810 If Brahmā is the center of all manifestations, 61 00:04:34,811 --> 00:04:40,725 then this material world is a manifestation of the center by 180 degrees, 62 00:04:40,726 --> 00:04:46,153 and the other 180 degrees constitute the spiritual world. 63 00:04:46,154 --> 00:04:48,921 The material world is the perverted reflection, 64 00:04:48,922 --> 00:04:53,810 so the spiritual world must have the same variegatedness, but in reality. 65 00:04:53,811 --> 00:04:56,989 Prakṛti is the external energy of the Supreme Lord, 66 00:04:56,990 --> 00:05:00,039 and the puruṣa is the Supreme Lord Himself, 67 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,211 and that is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. 68 00:05:03,212 --> 00:05:07,142 Since this manifestation is material, it is temporary. 69 00:05:07,143 --> 00:05:13,587 A reflection is temporary, for it some… it is sometimes seen and sometimes not seen. 70 00:05:13,588 --> 00:05:17,890 But the origin from whence the reflection is reflected is eternal. 71 00:05:17,891 --> 00:05:22,197 The material reflection of the real tree has to be cut off. 72 00:05:22,198 --> 00:05:24,383 When it is said that a person knows the Vedas, 73 00:05:24,384 --> 00:05:29,215 it is assumed that he knows how to cut off attachment to this material world. 74 00:05:29,216 --> 00:05:33,640 If one knows that process, he actually knows the Vedas. 75 00:05:33,641 --> 00:05:37,467 One who is attracted by the ritualistic formulas of the Vedas 76 00:05:37,468 --> 00:05:41,358 is attracted by the beautiful green leaves of the tree. 77 00:05:41,359 --> 00:05:44,238 He does not exactly know the purpose of the Vedas. 78 00:05:44,239 --> 00:05:48,682 The purpose of the Vedas, as disclosed by the Personality of Godhead Himself, 79 00:05:48,683 --> 00:05:59,632 is to cut down this reflected tree and attain the real tree of the spiritual world. 80 00:05:59,633 --> 00:06:02,498 PRABHUPĀDA: Now explain. 81 00:06:02,499 --> 00:06:04,232 TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: So this material world 82 00:06:04,233 --> 00:06:09,261 is a perverted reflection of the transcendental spiritual world. 83 00:06:09,262 --> 00:06:12,351 Everything that we find here can somehow…, 84 00:06:12,352 --> 00:06:16,039 We can trace its origins to the spiritual world. 85 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,084 - Just like we have… - Therefore it is said, ūrdhva-mūlam. 86 00:06:19,085 --> 00:06:21,810 Mūlam means root. 87 00:06:21,811 --> 00:06:30,135 Just like from the root the tree grows and becomes expanded. 88 00:06:30,136 --> 00:06:34,130 So now—this experience: 89 00:06:34,131 --> 00:06:42,261 The mūla is upside and the tree [is] expanding in this way… Ūrdhva-mūlam. 90 00:06:42,262 --> 00:06:44,139 adhah-śākham [Bg. 15.1] 91 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,793 The branches are down. 92 00:06:46,794 --> 00:06:48,630 Here we have got experience, all these trees, 93 00:06:48,631 --> 00:06:53,338 the root is down and the branches are spread up. 94 00:06:53,339 --> 00:06:56,509 Here, the experience is… That… 95 00:06:56,510 --> 00:07:00,623 That means this material is created 96 00:07:00,624 --> 00:07:07,090 not from this matter, [but] from [the] spiritual world. 97 00:07:07,091 --> 00:07:08,097 Go on. 98 00:07:08,098 --> 00:07:10,855 So i was… Just as in the spiritual… 99 00:07:10,856 --> 00:07:14,905 In the material world there are personal relationships. 100 00:07:14,906 --> 00:07:19,252 Just like everyone is trying to make friends, has family… [break] 101 00:07:19,253 --> 00:07:20,695 ūrdhva-mūlam [Bg. 15.1] 102 00:07:20,696 --> 00:07:29,166 Just like if you have to keep yourself, the legs are up and the head down, 103 00:07:29,167 --> 00:07:34,760 somebody keeps you like this, how long you will feel comfortable? 104 00:07:34,761 --> 00:07:42,346 If… If you’re… Somebody takes your legs and catches you and your head down, 105 00:07:42,347 --> 00:07:46,035 then it is not very comfortable. 106 00:07:46,036 --> 00:07:50,972 So this whole material world is like that: ūrdhva-mūlam. 107 00:07:50,973 --> 00:07:55,684 The mūlam should have been down, but it is up. 108 00:07:55,685 --> 00:07:58,450 Therefore it is discomfortable. 109 00:07:58,451 --> 00:08:02,200 And another explanation is the… 110 00:08:02,201 --> 00:08:05,467 It is perverted reflection. 111 00:08:05,468 --> 00:08:09,923 We have got experience of the ūrdhva-mūlam. 112 00:08:09,924 --> 00:08:14,184 I think I have explained that, that a tree… 113 00:08:14,185 --> 00:08:20,991 On the bank of a river or the bank of a pond, tree is standing, but the reflection, 114 00:08:20,992 --> 00:08:27,974 we find that the same tree has become ūrdhva-mūlam and adhah-śākham. 115 00:08:27,975 --> 00:08:32,678 So by this statement, Kṛṣṇa says that this is not real. 116 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,456 That reflection in the water, of the tree, is not real. 117 00:08:37,457 --> 00:08:40,250 Real tree is up. 118 00:08:40,251 --> 00:08:47,824 Similarly, real enjoyment, real varieties— everything is in the spiritual world. 119 00:08:47,825 --> 00:08:50,507 It is simply reflection. 120 00:08:50,508 --> 00:08:52,343 It is not fact. 121 00:08:52,344 --> 00:08:58,330 Therefore, our enjoyment here is called māyā, or illusion. 122 00:08:58,331 --> 00:09:03,855 So in later ślokas Kṛṣṇa has described how to get out… 123 00:09:03,856 --> 00:09:09,961 out of this mayic reflection and go to the real tree. 124 00:09:09,962 --> 00:09:15,516 That has been described later on. [splice] 125 00:09:15,517 --> 00:09:17,120 Hmm; what is that? 126 00:09:17,121 --> 00:09:18,898 Macmillan Company. 127 00:09:18,899 --> 00:09:21,756 Their trades manager—statistics: 128 00:09:21,757 --> 00:09:26,194 There [it’s] said that our Bhagavad-gītā sale is increasing, 129 00:09:26,195 --> 00:09:28,943 other Bhagavad-gītā decreasing. 130 00:09:28,944 --> 00:09:32,080 In America also, they are seriously studying 131 00:09:32,081 --> 00:09:35,570 how this movement is being spread so quickly. 132 00:09:35,571 --> 00:09:41,038 People ask me also how it is wonderfully increasing. 133 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,664 Because there is no adulteration. [splice] 134 00:09:45,665 --> 00:09:47,339 …before the public. 135 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:51,884 And that’s a fact, if you don’t accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, 136 00:09:51,885 --> 00:09:53,933 you will never be happy. 137 00:09:53,934 --> 00:09:55,493 This is fact. 138 00:09:55,494 --> 00:10:01,718 Everything is there, social, political, economical, 139 00:10:01,719 --> 00:10:09,915 philosophical, religious: All perfect knowledge. 140 00:10:09,916 --> 00:10:11,933 So, what is to be done next? 141 00:10:11,934 --> 00:10:22,108 DEVOTEE: Prasādam. - Prasādam? 142 00:10:22,109 --> 00:10:22,110 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com