Interv NY 1975-03-05 Press--We Are Hare Krishna People
ANNOUNCER: The following is a press conference
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on March 5th, 1975, in New York.
REPORTER #1: Can you tell us
what your purpose is in coming to New York at this time?
PRABHUPĀDA: To New York, I am coming here since 1965.
I have got my temple.
So I am going to London.
So it is for the time being, transit stoppage.
Otherwise I have got my temple here.
REPORTER #2: What special message would you have for people
who don’t know anything about your movement
and would like to know something about it?
About the movement?
ŚRUTAKĪRTI: Yes, what special message for the people who don’t know about us?
They… It is [a] little difficult to understand this movement,
because it is [a] spiritual movement.
People practically have no information what is spirit
and what is spiritual movement.
But they can simply understand that the body is there.
Body is the machine.
And the driver of the machine is the spirit soul.
So we are beginning our movement from that platform: The driver of the machine.
People are very much engrossed with the machine only.
But they have no information who is driving the machine.
That is the difficulty.
Swamiji, your movement has received a great deal of attention for,
at least one reason, because many of your followers
dress in what for the West is an odd fashion
and relate to the world in what for the West is an odd fashion.
Can you respond to that?
Why have you asked your followers to dress in this fashion
and to play drums on the streets?
This is our preaching method: [To] some way or other to draw their attention.
DEVOTEES: Jaya! Haribol!
I’m sure that you’re aware that to many people in the West, in America,
in New York City specifically,
that your disciples seem strange
- because of the way they act on the streets. - Yes.
- What about…? - They must be strange because they are spiritual.
You are all material.
So, for the material persons, we are surely strange people.
Is this manifestation the only way to be spiritual,
- dressing in this fashion? - No. No,
you cannot compete with us, because we don’t have any illicit sex.
We don’t have meat-eating.
We have no intoxication.
We have no gambling.
There’s so many no’s which you are unable to perform.
Swami, that wasn’t my question.
My question was, is this manifestation,
dressing in this fashion, playing drums and dancing in the streets,
the only way to be spiritual?
No, we have got about sixty books.
If you want to learn this movement through science and philosophy,
- we have got our books. - Well, that… That isn’t…
- Have you not seen our books? - Swami, that isn’t the thrust of my question.
Yes, I have.
The thrust of my question very simply is this:
Can’t people be spiritual without dressing in this fashion
- and dancing in the streets? - Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
You can become spiritual in your this dress.
Simply you have to learn what it is from the books.
- But, Swami… - The dress…
Dress is not [a] very important thing, but still, in the material field,
this girl is dressed in a different way; you are dressed in a different way.
The way we dress lets us move in all circles.
No, the thing is, dress is not very important.
- But you have your disciples dress in this way… - But just to draw a particular…
Just like the policeman, he is differently dressed.
One can understand that he is policeman.
Similarly, we are also differently dressed so that people may understand:
We are Hare Kṛṣṇa people.
Jaya! Haribol!
Swami, I saw a television program about your movement once,
and they said that the men make the decisions and the women follow.
Is that true?
I do not follow.
She hears that the men make the decisions and that the women follow these decisions.
Not necessarily.
We follow the decision of Kṛṣṇa, men and women both.
- Men are what? - We follow the decision of Kṛṣṇa.
That is applicable [to] both men and women.
Are men superior in your movement, though?
Hmm?
Are men regarded as superior to women?
Yes, naturally.
Naturally, woman requires protection by the man.
In the childhood she is protected by the father,
and youth time she is protected by the husband,
and old age she is protected by elderly sons.
That is natural.
That goes against the thinking of a lot of people in America now.
- Do you know that? - No…
America, maybe, but this is the natural position.
- Women require protection. - Who decides…
Who decides who’s natural?
And what’s natural?
Natural means: Just like in psychology it is said that woman…
The highest brain substance of woman is thirty-six ounce,
whereas the highest brain substance of man is sixty-four ounce.
So there is difference by nature, of the brain.
Well, to get to something else, what do you do for fun when you’re in New York?
Huh?
What is that? I…
You have defeated her.
Huh?
But I’m not going to pursue your line of logic; and what do you do for fun?
No, that is natural defeat.
You cannot avoid it.
I can’t what?
You cannot avoid it.
Again, what do you do to have a good time in New York?
A sixteen-years-old boy can travel all over the world,
and it is very difficult for a sixteen-years-old girl
to travel all over the world. [break]
- …realized the highest truth yourself? - Certainly.
- You have? - Oh, yes.
- At what age did you realize God? - I can deliver to you also. - Pardon me?
I can deliver to you also—if you want.
My question to you is at what age did you realize God?
God is a person like you and me.
The difference is that we are also persons.
We are many, and God is one: Leader.
Now, what is the difference between this one and we many?
He maintains all these many, and we are maintained by Him.
But He is also a person like you and me.
Do you follow?
Yes, I do, but Swamiji, my question to you was… was a bit more pointed than that.
I appreciate the answer you just gave me, but
at what age did you realize the highest truth?
- At what physical age…? - There is no question of age.
Realization [of] God should be educated from the very beginning of life.
Oh, I understand that, Swamiji.
My question to you was at what age did you yourself
in this physical incarnation realize the highest truth?
Of course, we were born in a very nice family.
My father educated me in this way.
So practically from the very beginning of our life, we were educated in this way.
Oh, no, I understand that.
I mean at what time did you have your own personal realization, Swamiji?
At what age?
That I can say from the age, say, four or five years.
At the age of four or five years?
Yes.
That’s a fact.
Swami, is there a chance that all your followers can realize the highest truth?
- They have already done. - They have already?
Yes, they have already done.
Otherwise, I am Indian; I am poor man.
Why they are after me?
You Americans, you are rich men.
So I have not bribed them.
These young boys, they are educated, qualified.
Why they are after me, unless they have realized?
Swamiji, I have one other question for you, please.
By definition, it seems to me anyway,
and I think to other observers, and sympathetic observers at that,
that you have asked your spiritual children to leave the outer world in the West
and to go deep within the heart of ISKCON,
within your heart and the heart of the Supreme,
to accomplish what you’ve set as their goal.
What about outer service to humanity in this incarnation?
This is the best humanity’s service.
They were all fools and rascals and we educated them for spiritual understanding.
The material…
If I think, “I am this body,” then I am no better than cat and dog.
That is going on.
“I am American;” “I am Indian;” “I am Hindu;” “I am Muslim;” “I am Christian.”
Only this bodily relationship.
But suppose you have come to me,
can I ask you whether you are body or something else?
Swamiji, perhaps the deficiency is in my question.
Let me rephrase the question, if you’ll permit.
And I realize there isn’t much air to breathe.
[indistinct]
But I will make the question brief.
My question has to do with karma-yoga
in the outer world, for instance, in New York City.
From what I understand, your disciples do not pursue the professions.
Is that correct?
No, we are also karma-yogī.
We are also eating; we are also sleeping.
Oh, no, I understand that.
I’m speaking in terms of outer service to people who are not in your mission.
- Yes. - Other… Other than preaching the truth of Kṛṣṇa,
- is there any other outer service to humanity? - That will include everything.
If we make [him] Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then he becomes perfectly educated.
We do not require to…
Just like if you pour water on the root of the tree,
the water reaches everywhere.
And if you pour water on the leaf, on the twig, or on the branch,
it does not go anywhere.
It is… It is localized.
So at the present moment, service is a particular departmental service:
Not all-including.
So, to educate people in Kṛṣṇa consciousness,
means to educate him all round.
I understand, Swamiji.
Again the deficiency is obviously with my question.
My question relates to service to the outer world by your disciples.
- That I have already explained, that you have… - Yes, but…
If you pour water on the root of the tree, the service reaches everywhere.
How is that manifesting?
Manifested? That’s like if you eat and give the foodstuff to your stomach,
then you realize that you have got energy in every part of your body.
Yes, I… I’ve understand… I understood your words,
and I’m grateful for them, but again the problem,
obviously, is with me and not with you.
But the question still remains, what about being of material service.
- Material service, not just spiritual service? - It is material service, as I showed.
If you put food… foodstuff in your stomach,
all the parts of your body feels energetic.
That is material service.
That’s not spiritual service.
Spiritual service [is] beyond that.
Similarly, the center is God.
If you understand God, then you understand everything.
Understood, Swamiji.
But your disciples do not build houses, they don’t work in hospitals,
they don’t perform— as far as I know,
and I could be… I could be just be swimming in ignorance here.
They… They…
As far as I know, they do not perform service to the outer world other than
offering free meals at the temple and preaching the word of Lord Kṛṣṇa.
I quite follow; that is your ignorance.
Because you do not know that: What is the real service?
You do not know.
Do you know what is real service?
The answer should come from you and not from me.
Yes; the real service is: Suppose you open [a] hospital.
You can cure, for the time being, some disease, but can you give me…
Can you give him any assurance that he will not die?
Can you protect him from death?
In spite of your all big, big hospitals,
can you protect humanity from death, from birth, from old age, from disease?
Can you?
Physically, of course not, only spiritually.
Ah, that we are giving.
That we are giving you:
Then no more death, no more birth, no more old age, and no more disease.
But couldn’t your disciples perform all the wonderful things that you have them do
and at the same time provide outer material service?
They are doing.
They’re doing; what they are not doing?
They are doing all service.
We have got this body; you have to maintain the body.
They are doing everything.
We are also eating, we are also sleeping, as you are eating, we are sleeping.
Where is the difference?
We also allow sex, but not illicit sex.
We allow eating, but no meat-eating.
That is the difference.
We are also eating, as you are eating.
We are sleeping, as you are sleeping.
Where is the difference?
Perhaps only in some perceptions.
- Huh? - Perhaps only in some perceptions.
That’s all.
- Thank you, Swamiji. - There is no difference. - Thank you kindly.
Jaya!
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