0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,449 Lect ALL 1977-01-15 At Kumba Mela--Avoid Atheistic Mahatmas 1 00:00:01,450 --> 00:00:04,959 ANNOUNCER: Next is a lecture, given by His Divine Grace 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:11,369 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, recorded at the Kumbha Mela festival 3 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:17,669 on January 15th 1977, in Allahabad, India. 4 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:22,616 PRABHUPĀDA: [splice] So liberation means… 5 00:00:22,617 --> 00:00:27,439 mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimukteḥ [SB 5.5.2] 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,088 We want liberation. 7 00:00:32,089 --> 00:00:38,069 Then mahat-sevā, we have to take 8 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:43,520 shelter of mahātmā. 9 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:56,860 And if you want to go to the darkest region of material existence, 10 00:00:56,861 --> 00:00:57,777 then… 11 00:00:57,778 --> 00:01:01,754 yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam [SB 5.5.2] 12 00:01:01,755 --> 00:01:03,827 sense enjoyment. 13 00:01:03,828 --> 00:01:09,110 Yoṣit means woman. 14 00:01:09,111 --> 00:01:18,280 So the last resort of sense enjoyment is sex life. 15 00:01:18,281 --> 00:01:22,499 So if we indulge in sex life, then… 16 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:25,180 yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam [SB 5.5.2] 17 00:01:25,181 --> 00:01:33,180 Not only directly we indulge in sex life, 18 00:01:33,181 --> 00:01:41,886 but even indirectly we associate with persons who are only interested 19 00:01:41,887 --> 00:01:43,324 in sex life… [splice] 20 00:01:43,325 --> 00:01:47,580 puṁsaḥ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etat [SB 5.5.8] 21 00:01:47,581 --> 00:01:55,740 This material world is existing on this mithunī-bhāva. 22 00:01:55,741 --> 00:02:02,260 So… tamo-dvāraṁ yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam [SB 5.5.2] 23 00:02:02,261 --> 00:02:16,670 Therefore you’ll find in the Vedic way of life, sex indulgence is restricted. 24 00:02:16,671 --> 00:02:26,150 If we indulge in sex life than it is absolutely required, 25 00:02:26,151 --> 00:02:34,230 then we are gliding towards hellish condition of life. 26 00:02:34,231 --> 00:02:45,264 And if we follow the path of mahātmās, mahat-sevā, that is 27 00:02:45,265 --> 00:02:49,000 dvāram āhur vimukteḥ [SB 5.5.2] 28 00:02:49,001 --> 00:02:56,710 We are making progress towards liberation. 29 00:02:56,711 --> 00:02:59,450 So this is a chance. 30 00:02:59,451 --> 00:03:10,050 This Kumbhamelā is a chance to get opportunity of mahat-sevā. 31 00:03:10,051 --> 00:03:14,410 mahat-sevā dvāram āhur vimukteḥ [SB 5.5.2] 32 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:15,199 Many… 33 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,460 Of course, it is Kali-yuga. 34 00:03:19,461 --> 00:03:29,710 There are so many so-called mahātmās in dress for earning livelihood. 35 00:03:29,711 --> 00:03:34,560 That kind of mahātmā is not required. 36 00:03:34,561 --> 00:03:40,540 Mahātmā is also described in the Bhagavad-gītā: 37 00:03:40,541 --> 00:03:44,000 sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ [Bg 07.19] 38 00:03:44,001 --> 00:03:52,110 Actually we have to associate with such mahātmā who is su-durlabhaḥ, 39 00:03:52,111 --> 00:03:58,060 not very easily obtainable. 40 00:03:58,061 --> 00:04:03,450 And who is that su- durlabhaḥ mahātmā? 41 00:04:03,451 --> 00:04:06,670 That is also described. 42 00:04:06,671 --> 00:04:13,067 bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate 43 00:04:13,068 --> 00:04:19,270 vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ [Bg. 7.19] 44 00:04:19,271 --> 00:04:32,540 So you’ll get so many mahātmās who are declaring atheism: “There is no God. 45 00:04:32,541 --> 00:04:33,510 I am God. 46 00:04:33,511 --> 00:04:35,840 You are God. 47 00:04:35,841 --> 00:04:39,870 Where you are searching out God? 48 00:04:39,871 --> 00:04:46,100 The God is loitering in the street, the daridra-nārāyaṇa.” 49 00:04:46,101 --> 00:04:51,092 If you associate with such mahātmā, so-called… 50 00:04:51,093 --> 00:04:53,360 They are not mahātmās. 51 00:04:53,361 --> 00:04:56,900 They are durātmās. 52 00:04:56,901 --> 00:05:06,730 So be careful that you may not mistake who is mahātmā. 53 00:05:06,731 --> 00:05:09,710 Mahātmā, very simple thing: 54 00:05:09,711 --> 00:05:15,060 mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg. 9.13] 55 00:05:15,061 --> 00:05:22,810 mahātmā has nothing to do with this material world. 56 00:05:22,811 --> 00:05:32,900 They are under the care of daivī-prakṛti, spiritual world. 57 00:05:32,901 --> 00:05:36,010 Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivī prakṛti… 58 00:05:36,011 --> 00:05:38,850 bhajanty ananya-manaso [Bg. 9.13] 59 00:05:38,851 --> 00:05:47,140 The symptom is that he’s fully engaged in serving Kṛṣṇa. 60 00:05:47,141 --> 00:05:50,600 Mām. 61 00:05:50,601 --> 00:06:00,900 Kṛṣṇa is original, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 62 00:06:00,901 --> 00:06:09,860 So we have to catch up the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. 63 00:06:09,861 --> 00:06:12,720 bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19] 64 00:06:12,721 --> 00:06:21,820 It is not very easy, but it can be done if we have got intelligence. 65 00:06:21,821 --> 00:06:24,519 Intelligence is… 66 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,418 That Kṛṣṇa says… 67 00:06:26,419 --> 00:06:30,010 Who is that making sound? 68 00:06:30,011 --> 00:06:36,367 Kṛṣṇa says, 69 00:06:36,368 --> 00:06:44,520 mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg. 07.14] 70 00:06:44,521 --> 00:06:49,740 If you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, immediately… 71 00:06:49,741 --> 00:06:52,920 Of course, we must take sincerely, not a show. 72 00:06:52,921 --> 00:06:58,110 Everything is seriously. 73 00:06:58,111 --> 00:07:01,966 Then immediately we become on the path of 74 00:07:01,967 --> 00:07:08,361 mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimukteḥ [SB 5.5.2] 75 00:07:08,362 --> 00:07:09,972 So… 76 00:07:09,973 --> 00:07:19,090 And this line of devotional service is sevā, service. 77 00:07:19,091 --> 00:07:33,590 Ultimately we are all servants, but in the absence of being mahātmā, 78 00:07:33,591 --> 00:07:36,780 we are serving māyā. 79 00:07:36,781 --> 00:07:37,920 Service is there. 80 00:07:37,921 --> 00:07:40,820 We cannot become master. 81 00:07:40,821 --> 00:07:43,390 That is not possible. 82 00:07:43,391 --> 00:07:49,090 jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109] 83 00:07:49,091 --> 00:07:58,320 So there are two things: Kṛṣṇa and māyā, light and shadow. 84 00:07:58,321 --> 00:08:05,950 If you don’t serve Kṛṣṇa, then you have to serve māyā. 85 00:08:05,951 --> 00:08:13,990 And those who are serving māyā in the name of Kṛṣṇa, they are called Māyāvādī. 86 00:08:13,991 --> 00:08:23,780 Actually, they are serving māyā, but they say that they have become liberated. 87 00:08:23,781 --> 00:08:27,040 vimukta-māninaḥ [SB 10.2.32] 88 00:08:27,041 --> 00:08:31,940 They are described as vimukta-māninaḥ. 89 00:08:31,941 --> 00:08:37,280 Māninaḥ means one who is not actually the thing, 90 00:08:37,281 --> 00:08:42,990 but falsely one is thinking that “I am liberated. 91 00:08:42,991 --> 00:08:47,420 I have become equal with Nārāyaṇa.” 92 00:08:47,421 --> 00:08:50,230 They are called vimukta-māninaḥ. 93 00:08:50,231 --> 00:08:54,580 Actually that is not the fact. 94 00:08:54,581 --> 00:09:02,261 So we shall be very careful to avoid this kind of mahātmās 95 00:09:02,262 --> 00:09:10,654 who are thinking themselves as Nārāyaṇa, equal to Nārāyaṇa, or sometimes 96 00:09:10,655 --> 00:09:14,600 they claim greater than Nārāyaṇa. 97 00:09:14,601 --> 00:09:15,990 So we shall be very careful. 98 00:09:15,991 --> 00:09:24,760 This Melā, there are so many so-called mahātmās. 99 00:09:24,761 --> 00:09:30,420 But the symptom of mahātmā is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: 100 00:09:30,421 --> 00:09:33,407 bhajanty ananya-manaso [Bg. 9.13] 101 00:09:33,408 --> 00:09:36,620 That is the qualification. 102 00:09:36,621 --> 00:09:45,750 And to become devotee of Kṛṣṇa, it is not at all difficulty. 103 00:09:45,751 --> 00:09:47,370 There is no difficulty. 104 00:09:47,371 --> 00:09:49,900 Anyone can become. 105 00:09:49,901 --> 00:09:55,760 māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye ’pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ [Bg 09.32] 106 00:09:55,761 --> 00:10:04,770 Even lowborn, they can also take shelter of Kṛṣṇa, and what to speak of… 107 00:10:04,771 --> 00:10:10,600 kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā [Bg. 9.33] 108 00:10:10,601 --> 00:10:14,550 If actually qualified brāhmaṇas, they take shelter, 109 00:10:14,551 --> 00:10:15,450 what to speak of… 110 00:10:15,451 --> 00:10:18,880 Their progress is very quick. 111 00:10:18,881 --> 00:10:20,350 Punyā. 112 00:10:20,351 --> 00:10:26,660 Without puṇyā background, sukṛti, 113 00:10:26,661 --> 00:10:38,040 nobody can take birth in the family or society of brāhmaṇas. 114 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:40,166 So brāhmaṇa… 115 00:10:40,167 --> 00:10:45,340 First of all, we have to become pure brāhmaṇa. 116 00:10:45,341 --> 00:10:48,253 satya śamo dama titikṣa ārjava 117 00:10:48,254 --> 00:10:54,350 jñānaṁ-vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg 18.42] 118 00:10:54,351 --> 00:10:57,450 These are the brahminical qualification. 119 00:10:57,451 --> 00:11:06,340 Unfortunately, nobody is interested to become a brāhmaṇa, 120 00:11:06,341 --> 00:11:12,570 and what to speak of becoming a Vaiṣṇava. 121 00:11:12,571 --> 00:11:17,510 Vaiṣṇava is above the brāhmaṇas. 122 00:11:17,511 --> 00:11:24,890 ṣaṭ-karma-nipuṇo vipro mantra-tantra-viśāradaḥ [Padma Purāṇa] 123 00:11:24,891 --> 00:11:29,927 Brāhmaṇa’s business is sat-karma: 124 00:11:29,928 --> 00:11:36,670 paṭhan pāṭhan yajan yājan dāna pratigraha [Padma Purāṇa] 125 00:11:36,671 --> 00:11:46,300 So even a brāhmaṇa is very expert in this brāhmaṇa’s business, paṭhan pāṭhan… 126 00:11:46,301 --> 00:11:50,620 He has studied Vedas very thoroughly, 127 00:11:50,621 --> 00:11:57,070 and he has many students whom he has taught the Vedic knowledge. 128 00:11:57,071 --> 00:11:59,550 This is paṭhan pāṭhan. 129 00:11:59,551 --> 00:12:10,320 Yajan yājan: he is expert in worshiping the Deity, and he teaches other disciples also. 130 00:12:10,321 --> 00:12:17,343 śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā- śṛṅgara-tan-mandira-mārjanādau [Sri Sri Gurvastakam 03] 131 00:12:17,344 --> 00:12:24,950 So there are brāhmaṇas who are not Vaiṣṇava, 132 00:12:24,951 --> 00:12:32,500 worshiper of demigods other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 133 00:12:32,501 --> 00:12:36,250 Such brāhmaṇa is not required. 134 00:12:36,251 --> 00:12:42,450 Such brāhmaṇas are condemned. 135 00:12:42,451 --> 00:12:46,820 kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya-devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20] 136 00:12:46,821 --> 00:12:50,650 Anya-devatāḥ. 137 00:12:50,651 --> 00:12:56,254 The Viṣṇu is the original devatā, 138 00:12:56,255 --> 00:13:05,390 and then next devatā, Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva, and then others. 139 00:13:05,391 --> 00:13:09,650 So they are all anya-devatāḥ. 140 00:13:09,651 --> 00:13:13,280 oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padam [Ṛg Veda 1.22.20] 141 00:13:13,281 --> 00:13:17,800 So one has to worship Viṣṇu. 142 00:13:17,801 --> 00:13:19,190 That is Vaiṣṇava. 143 00:13:19,191 --> 00:13:22,580 viṣṇur asya devatā iti vaiṣṇavaḥ [?] 144 00:13:22,581 --> 00:13:31,760 Vaiṣṇava means that he’s not worshiper of any other demigods. 145 00:13:31,761 --> 00:13:37,270 There is no question of disrespect for any other demigods. 146 00:13:37,271 --> 00:13:42,090 But śaraṇaṁ śaraṇyam. 147 00:13:42,091 --> 00:13:51,600 But to take shelter of and to worship is recommended to the Supreme Lord— 148 00:13:51,601 --> 00:13:56,090 mām ekam—not everyone. 149 00:13:56,091 --> 00:14:05,060 We can show our respectful obeisances even to the ant, but worshipable Deity, 150 00:14:05,061 --> 00:14:11,910 or God, is Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu, viṣṇu-tattva. 151 00:14:11,911 --> 00:14:15,500 There are many forms of Viṣṇu-tattva. 152 00:14:15,501 --> 00:14:19,830 rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39] 153 00:14:19,831 --> 00:14:27,140 He’s expanded in many forms: Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha… 154 00:14:27,141 --> 00:14:30,350 There are so many incarnation of Viṣṇu-tattva. 155 00:14:30,351 --> 00:14:32,190 They’re all one. 156 00:14:32,191 --> 00:14:38,180 advaitam acyutam anādi ananta-rūpam [Bs. 05.33] 157 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:44,420 So Viṣṇu-tattva, worshipable, or Kṛṣṇa-tattva, worshipable. 158 00:14:44,421 --> 00:14:51,600 And to pin our staunch faith in Viṣṇu, 159 00:14:51,601 --> 00:14:59,100 we should discuss about Viṣṇu- tattva and not Viṣṇu-tattva. 160 00:14:59,101 --> 00:15:01,790 That is called siddhānta. 161 00:15:01,791 --> 00:15:05,357 siddhānta boliyā citte nā kara alasa [Cc. Ādi 2.117]: 162 00:15:05,358 --> 00:15:11,630 “Don’t be lazy to discuss about siddhānta.” 163 00:15:11,631 --> 00:15:15,460 ihā haite kṛṣṇe lāge sudṛḍha mānasa [Cc. Ādi 2.117]: 164 00:15:15,461 --> 00:15:24,050 “The more you discuss the thesis—not thesis; 165 00:15:24,051 --> 00:15:37,770 the factual presentation of Viṣṇu-tattva, māyā, and jīva-tattva, śakti-tattva— 166 00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:42,350 then it will be clear what is Kṛṣṇa.” 167 00:15:42,351 --> 00:15:45,390 Kṛṣṇa is the origin of everything. 168 00:15:45,391 --> 00:15:51,180 ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8] 169 00:15:51,181 --> 00:15:58,540 We should try to understand this fact, that Kṛṣṇa is the origin of everything, 170 00:15:58,541 --> 00:16:03,411 and if we take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness… 171 00:16:03,412 --> 00:16:08,691 kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya [C.C. Madhya 22.62] 172 00:16:08,692 --> 00:16:18,021 If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then your all other duties automatically… 173 00:16:18,022 --> 00:16:21,026 The same example, as we have given: 174 00:16:21,027 --> 00:16:24,631 If you pour water on the root of the tree, 175 00:16:24,632 --> 00:16:28,911 then all other duties are automatically done. 176 00:16:28,912 --> 00:16:35,441 There is no question of separate attempt—philanthropy, 177 00:16:35,442 --> 00:16:41,601 philosophy and nationalism, this “ism,” that “ism.” 178 00:16:41,602 --> 00:16:50,281 We have discovered so many things and diversion of the real duty. 179 00:16:50,282 --> 00:16:53,001 That we shall have to concentrate. 180 00:16:53,002 --> 00:16:58,882 That is siddhānta. [splice] 181 00:16:58,883 --> 00:16:58,884 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Jitarati Dāsa & Pratyatoṣa Dāsa