0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,929 MW CHI 1975-07-05 The Rarest Books in the World 1 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:18,977 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:18,978 --> 00:00:24,419 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:24,420 --> 00:00:48,289 recorded on the 5th of July 1975, in Chicago, Illinois. 4 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:50,079 PRABHUPĀDA: [splice] …māyāra vaibhava 5 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:58,409 this material advancement the advancement of māyā. 6 00:00:58,410 --> 00:01:02,317 Big, big building, nice road, nice motor car, nice… 7 00:01:02,318 --> 00:01:07,179 Surely it is material advancement, admitted. 8 00:01:07,180 --> 00:01:15,329 But this advancement is advancement of the illusory energy. 9 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:16,799 So what is the wrong there? 10 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,710 Suppose… 11 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:25,829 The wrong is there that this material world is temporary. 12 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:30,749 We have come here temporarily, twenty-five years, fifty years 13 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:34,749 at most, hundred years. 14 00:01:34,750 --> 00:01:39,859 So we are already illusioned and we become more illusioned. 15 00:01:39,860 --> 00:01:44,299 Then we forget our real business. 16 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:49,309 Mūḍha, we remain mūḍha. 17 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:52,159 Supposing if there is next birth, 18 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,219 so who is very much anxious to know what is our next birth? 19 00:01:58,220 --> 00:01:59,929 Nobody is. 20 00:01:59,930 --> 00:02:04,629 Blindly going on. 21 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:07,854 Māyāra vaibhava. [break] 22 00:02:07,855 --> 00:02:09,629 …very nice church, 23 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:17,609 but understand what for this church is, what is God, what is God consciousness. 24 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:19,960 Just cultivate this knowledge. 25 00:02:19,961 --> 00:02:25,660 “No, big church finished.” 26 00:02:25,661 --> 00:02:31,680 Live nice building, nice happy life, but don’t forget Kṛṣṇa. 27 00:02:31,681 --> 00:02:35,800 Then what is the use of this life? 28 00:02:35,801 --> 00:02:40,430 And if you forget Kṛṣṇa, then the result will be crime, 29 00:02:40,431 --> 00:02:51,550 and you will be facing with problems, “Why and now what to do?” 30 00:02:51,551 --> 00:02:54,380 So many problems will be there. 31 00:02:54,381 --> 00:03:03,748 So the problems cannot be solved simply by possessing big, big buildings. [splice] 32 00:03:03,749 --> 00:03:10,820 There are so many churches. [splice] 33 00:03:10,821 --> 00:03:13,830 JAYATĪRTHA: All over America there are very expensive churches. 34 00:03:13,831 --> 00:03:15,730 In India you do not see so many temples. 35 00:03:15,731 --> 00:03:18,730 I was surprised when I went there first. 36 00:03:18,731 --> 00:03:21,730 Because you do not see very many big, gorgeous, temples. 37 00:03:21,731 --> 00:03:24,120 But here everywhere there are big gorgeous churches. 38 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:25,870 Oh, no, India, in South India… 39 00:03:25,871 --> 00:03:27,050 BRAHMĀNANDA: South India is full. 40 00:03:27,051 --> 00:03:28,960 Oh, South India. 41 00:03:28,961 --> 00:03:30,850 - North India not. - Yes. 42 00:03:30,851 --> 00:03:32,460 You have not seen Jagannātha temple? 43 00:03:32,461 --> 00:03:34,900 No. [splice] 44 00:03:34,901 --> 00:03:40,220 In Vṛndāvana also, that Raṅganātha temple? 45 00:03:40,221 --> 00:03:42,300 Yes. 46 00:03:42,301 --> 00:03:44,200 There are some nice temples in the north. 47 00:03:44,201 --> 00:03:47,666 In south, many. 48 00:03:47,667 --> 00:03:53,500 Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Prabhu… 49 00:03:53,501 --> 00:03:58,200 These are all university house or private? 50 00:03:58,201 --> 00:04:01,380 Some university and some private. [splice] 51 00:04:01,381 --> 00:04:02,660 All very nice house. 52 00:04:02,661 --> 00:04:08,750 Yes. 53 00:04:08,751 --> 00:04:17,040 Let them, every house, small temple, perform kīrtana. 54 00:04:17,041 --> 00:04:22,050 Then this will be all success. 55 00:04:22,051 --> 00:04:24,810 Do not cook meat. 56 00:04:24,811 --> 00:04:26,700 Nice prasādam. 57 00:04:26,701 --> 00:04:31,870 Everything can be utilized for better purpose. 58 00:04:31,871 --> 00:04:36,310 Now, in the morning, they are sleeping. 59 00:04:36,311 --> 00:04:41,140 nidrāya hriyate naktaṁ vyavayena ca vā vayaḥ [SB 2.1.3] 60 00:04:41,141 --> 00:04:50,120 At night either sleeping or sex, and daytime, 61 00:04:50,121 --> 00:04:55,300 divā carthehaya rājan kutumba-bharaṇena vā [SB 2.1.3] 62 00:04:55,301 --> 00:04:57,140 Daytime, “Where is money? 63 00:04:57,141 --> 00:04:58,210 Where is money?” 64 00:04:58,211 --> 00:04:59,840 Oh, seventy miles’ speed. 65 00:04:59,841 --> 00:05:00,410 “Go there. 66 00:05:00,411 --> 00:05:03,891 There is some money.” 67 00:05:03,892 --> 00:05:05,241 All right, take money. 68 00:05:05,242 --> 00:05:06,701 Then what is your next business? 69 00:05:06,702 --> 00:05:09,161 kutumba-bharaṇena vā [SB 2.1.3] 70 00:05:09,162 --> 00:05:12,791 Just to purchase for the family, finish money. 71 00:05:12,792 --> 00:05:18,621 Again tomorrow. 72 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:23,591 “But where is the business of your spiritual life?” 73 00:05:23,592 --> 00:05:24,891 “No time. 74 00:05:24,892 --> 00:05:27,781 What can we do? 75 00:05:27,782 --> 00:05:31,641 Night we are busy in this way, and day we are busy. 76 00:05:31,642 --> 00:05:35,011 Where is the time? 77 00:05:35,012 --> 00:05:41,441 Don’t bother us.” [splice] 78 00:05:41,442 --> 00:05:44,971 …try to make them devotees, they will not become? 79 00:05:44,972 --> 00:05:47,871 Not very easily. 80 00:05:47,872 --> 00:05:51,281 bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayāpahṛta-cetasām 81 00:05:51,282 --> 00:05:56,431 vyavasāyātmikā buddhiḥ na vidhīyate [Bg. 2.44] 82 00:05:56,432 --> 00:06:02,837 Therefore too much attachment for material enjoyment, 83 00:06:02,838 --> 00:06:09,036 is disqualification for spiritual life. 84 00:06:09,037 --> 00:06:11,617 So the western world is trained up 85 00:06:11,618 --> 00:06:18,551 for being too much attached to material enjoyment. 86 00:06:18,552 --> 00:06:26,261 Therefore lagging behind in spiritual life. 87 00:06:26,262 --> 00:06:35,781 Vedic civilization is not to encourage too much for material enjoyment. 88 00:06:35,782 --> 00:06:40,421 Minimize. 89 00:06:40,422 --> 00:06:43,141 That is Indian civilization. 90 00:06:43,142 --> 00:06:50,511 They, if they had money they used to spend for constructing big temple, 91 00:06:50,512 --> 00:06:55,841 not for residential house. 92 00:06:55,842 --> 00:07:01,001 Maybe the king only had a big palace. 93 00:07:01,002 --> 00:07:11,421 Common men, they didn’t care for big palace, the palatial building. 94 00:07:11,422 --> 00:07:17,191 Common man would be very glad to live in a cottage, 95 00:07:17,192 --> 00:07:30,471 and a small garden for growing vegetables, fruits, small lake, that’s all. 96 00:07:30,472 --> 00:07:36,975 Not wasting time for big, big buildings, big, big… 97 00:07:36,976 --> 00:07:55,190 - What is called, amenities? - Amenities. [break] 98 00:07:55,191 --> 00:07:57,421 It is good you have done this, 99 00:07:57,422 --> 00:08:04,481 but make this Kṛṣṇa consciousness also one of the paraphernalia. 100 00:08:04,482 --> 00:08:07,581 Then it is very nice. 101 00:08:07,582 --> 00:08:12,051 But they are not inclined. 102 00:08:12,052 --> 00:08:31,966 Hare Kṛṣṇa [break] [splice] 103 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:37,759 …brāhmaṇas are sensing danger because, 104 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,991 they see that these Europeans are worshiping Deity, temple. 105 00:08:42,992 --> 00:08:48,898 Then gradually there will be no caste brāhmaṇa. [break] 106 00:08:48,899 --> 00:08:52,718 TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: …Mahāprabhu also had difficulty with the caste brāhmaṇas? 107 00:08:52,719 --> 00:08:55,718 Oh, yes. 108 00:08:55,719 --> 00:09:04,098 They complained to the magistrate that “What kind of religion He is introducing? 109 00:09:04,099 --> 00:09:07,468 It is not our Hindu religion. 110 00:09:07,469 --> 00:09:11,758 So chastise Him.” [break] 111 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:20,408 …report of the brāhmaṇas, the police came and broke these drums. 112 00:09:20,409 --> 00:09:23,778 It was not the fault of the Mohammedans. 113 00:09:23,779 --> 00:09:28,708 The brāhmaṇas lodged complaint against Caitanya Mahāprabhu. 114 00:09:28,709 --> 00:09:31,478 So he has to take step. 115 00:09:31,479 --> 00:09:35,498 They said, “It is not Hindu religion. 116 00:09:35,499 --> 00:09:43,571 They are disturbing God by chanting so loudly. 117 00:09:43,572 --> 00:09:48,318 Now their God is sleeping and they are disturbing, 118 00:09:48,319 --> 00:09:50,790 ‘Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.’ 119 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:52,018 So stop this.” 120 00:09:52,019 --> 00:09:53,478 So what can he do? 121 00:09:53,479 --> 00:09:56,898 After all, he is public servant. 122 00:09:56,899 --> 00:10:02,794 Therefore he took steps. [break] 123 00:10:02,795 --> 00:10:05,814 GHANAŚYĀMA: I’ve just come back from England, myself and another boy 124 00:10:05,815 --> 00:10:07,105 who were doing library work there. 125 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:11,394 We went there after India, the festival. 126 00:10:11,395 --> 00:10:14,524 And so many very important schools all around the world, 127 00:10:14,525 --> 00:10:17,744 that are known all around the world are taking your books. 128 00:10:17,745 --> 00:10:20,424 Our last day was one of our most amazing days. 129 00:10:20,425 --> 00:10:25,284 We went to the Indian office library, the British government. 130 00:10:25,285 --> 00:10:29,134 Because they have colonized India, they have so many books on India. 131 00:10:29,135 --> 00:10:32,834 This was the largest library like that in Europe. 132 00:10:32,835 --> 00:10:35,354 And the librarian, he looked at our books and he says, 133 00:10:35,355 --> 00:10:37,064 “Yes, we should have all of these.” 134 00:10:37,065 --> 00:10:40,974 So right on the spot he ordered standing orders, one copy of every book. 135 00:10:40,975 --> 00:10:43,324 That same day—this was just three days ago, 136 00:10:43,325 --> 00:10:45,490 two days ago—we went to the [splice] 137 00:10:45,491 --> 00:10:47,604 …biggest book store in the world. 138 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,154 They’re so big, that they have three blocks. 139 00:10:50,155 --> 00:10:52,354 They take up sort of like three blocks. 140 00:10:52,355 --> 00:10:55,094 And they have three levels, three floors. 141 00:10:55,095 --> 00:10:58,874 So we went to see the manager, the man who owns the whole book store. 142 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:01,464 And he says, “Well, I only deal with rare books.” 143 00:11:01,465 --> 00:11:03,524 We said, “Well, this is why we’ve come to see you.” 144 00:11:03,525 --> 00:11:08,754 And he says, “I want three copies of every book.” 145 00:11:08,755 --> 00:11:11,694 Very good. 146 00:11:11,695 --> 00:11:13,194 So they have ordered? 147 00:11:13,195 --> 00:11:13,764 Yes. 148 00:11:13,765 --> 00:11:16,454 Very good. 149 00:11:16,455 --> 00:11:20,753 Just in a matter of four, about seven to eight weeks, 150 00:11:20,754 --> 00:11:23,994 over a hundred professors [indistinct] have taken your books there. 151 00:11:23,995 --> 00:11:24,814 Oh. 152 00:11:24,815 --> 00:11:26,084 Standing order? 153 00:11:26,085 --> 00:11:29,274 No, about twelve have taken standing, about ten have taken standing orders, 154 00:11:29,275 --> 00:11:32,288 but others have taken books to use for their courses, 155 00:11:32,289 --> 00:11:37,528 or for their own reading and for their own edification. 156 00:11:37,529 --> 00:11:40,844 Big schools like Cambridge, Oxford, 157 00:11:40,845 --> 00:11:44,784 as soon as they see the books, they really want them. 158 00:11:44,785 --> 00:11:46,824 This is the rarest book. 159 00:11:46,825 --> 00:11:49,104 Not only rare, but rarest. 160 00:11:49,105 --> 00:11:53,564 There is no book throughout the whole world, such book. [break] 161 00:11:53,565 --> 00:11:56,314 …professor, he was reading your Bhagavad-gītā, 162 00:11:56,315 --> 00:11:58,204 it was on his desk when I came into his office. 163 00:11:58,205 --> 00:11:58,974 Ācchā. 164 00:11:58,975 --> 00:12:00,074 Yeah. 165 00:12:00,075 --> 00:12:01,944 He says, “Oh, yes, I know the Bhaktivedanta books. 166 00:12:01,945 --> 00:12:05,124 I have just got this book from one of my colleagues.” 167 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,794 And he says, I showed him the books. 168 00:12:06,795 --> 00:12:08,714 He bought, he wanted the standing order. 169 00:12:08,715 --> 00:12:12,444 He teaches Sanskrit and Indian religions and Indian philosophy. 170 00:12:12,445 --> 00:12:16,434 And he said, “Well, there’s one book I was just reading. 171 00:12:16,435 --> 00:12:19,094 Bhaktivedanta, he mentions it, the Nectar of Devotion.” 172 00:12:19,095 --> 00:12:20,401 He says that “You didn’t show me that. 173 00:12:20,402 --> 00:12:24,474 Do you have that one?” 174 00:12:24,475 --> 00:12:26,954 So I brought the books back to him that same day. 175 00:12:26,955 --> 00:12:30,219 And when I brought them, his students, they were in class, 176 00:12:30,220 --> 00:12:33,635 and they came out of the class and they started looking at the books themselves. 177 00:12:33,636 --> 00:12:37,198 And they really wanted to be showed they could have a chance 178 00:12:37,199 --> 00:12:38,475 to read them in their course. 179 00:12:38,476 --> 00:12:41,005 They were really happy that he was buying them. 180 00:12:41,006 --> 00:12:42,955 They said, “Oh, these are Kṛṣṇa consciousness books. 181 00:12:42,956 --> 00:12:44,155 We’ve read some of these before. 182 00:12:44,156 --> 00:12:47,035 These are really nice.” [break] [splice] 183 00:12:47,036 --> 00:12:54,565 …greater enthusiasm you go on with book distribution. 184 00:12:54,566 --> 00:13:02,105 They will be benefited, and distributors also will be benefited. 185 00:13:02,106 --> 00:13:04,747 Kṛṣṇa says, 186 00:13:04,748 --> 00:13:08,985 ya idaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ mad-bhakteṣv abhidhāsyati [Bg 18.68] 187 00:13:08,986 --> 00:13:15,015 na ca tasmān manuṣyeṣu kaścin me priya-kṛttamaḥ [Bg. 18.69] 188 00:13:15,016 --> 00:13:26,325 If you want to become quickly recognized by Kṛṣṇa, then make propaganda, 189 00:13:26,326 --> 00:13:32,185 this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. 190 00:13:32,186 --> 00:13:36,835 And once recognized by Kṛṣṇa, then you're going back to home, 191 00:13:36,836 --> 00:13:49,345 back to Godhead, guaranteed. [break] [splice] 192 00:13:49,346 --> 00:13:56,235 Sometimes we have heard that ekādaśī is a inauspicious alignment of the planets 193 00:13:56,236 --> 00:14:01,905 and therefore one has to counteract this inauspiciousness by more chanting. 194 00:14:01,906 --> 00:14:03,165 No, no. 195 00:14:03,166 --> 00:14:06,155 It is the most auspicious. 196 00:14:06,156 --> 00:14:14,681 And chanting is more effective. [break] 197 00:14:14,682 --> 00:14:19,442 I remember you were instructing once that all of your initiated disciples 198 00:14:19,443 --> 00:14:22,335 - should chant twenty-five rounds… - Minimum. 199 00:14:22,336 --> 00:14:23,455 Minimum on this day. 200 00:14:23,456 --> 00:14:27,385 Is that a rule that we should all follow in our temples? 201 00:14:27,386 --> 00:14:31,075 - We are sixteen rounds. - No, I mean on ekādaśī. 202 00:14:31,076 --> 00:14:32,035 Oh yes. 203 00:14:32,036 --> 00:14:34,355 Ekādaśī, simply you should chant. 204 00:14:34,356 --> 00:14:36,585 No other business. 205 00:14:36,586 --> 00:14:37,945 Nirjala. 206 00:14:37,946 --> 00:14:39,865 No preaching work? 207 00:14:39,866 --> 00:14:41,175 Should they go out for preaching? 208 00:14:41,176 --> 00:14:46,205 No, those who are preaching, not for them. 209 00:14:46,206 --> 00:14:55,635 Those who are sitting idle, or they… [break] 210 00:14:55,636 --> 00:15:00,095 …has no other regulation, simply preaching. 211 00:15:00,096 --> 00:15:03,235 A preacher is so exalted. 212 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:06,355 He hasn’t got to follow any regulation. 213 00:15:06,356 --> 00:15:13,526 But don’t take it. 214 00:15:13,527 --> 00:15:17,275 And actually if one is busy in preaching work, 215 00:15:17,276 --> 00:15:25,831 that is first-class. [break] 216 00:15:25,832 --> 00:15:31,171 …not my manufactured word, my Guru Mahārāja, that the… 217 00:15:31,172 --> 00:15:36,235 That Mādhava Mahārāja, when he was a brahmacārī, his name was Hayagrīva. 218 00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:39,705 So he was to go somewhere. 219 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:44,105 So but he was sick. 220 00:15:44,106 --> 00:15:50,505 Guru Mahārāja was informed that he was sick and “Today is ekādaśī. 221 00:15:50,506 --> 00:15:53,315 He cannot take his regular meals.” 222 00:15:53,316 --> 00:15:55,817 So Guru Mahārāja said, “No. 223 00:15:55,818 --> 00:16:00,165 Let him take immediately meals and go.” 224 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:06,190 REVATĪNANDANA: For preaching… [break] 225 00:16:06,191 --> 00:16:08,595 …Mahārāja would sacrifice everything for preaching. 226 00:16:08,596 --> 00:16:10,997 Oh yes. [break] 227 00:16:10,998 --> 00:16:13,455 He was not pleased with Bon Mahārāja, 228 00:16:13,456 --> 00:16:15,335 He could not do anything. [break] 229 00:16:15,336 --> 00:16:17,515 …most pleased with you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. 230 00:16:17,516 --> 00:16:19,786 We, we must be sure of that. 231 00:16:19,787 --> 00:16:24,595 Unless he is pleased, what I am worth? 232 00:16:24,596 --> 00:16:26,595 It is due to his pleasure. 233 00:16:26,596 --> 00:16:28,795 Otherwise what I am worth? 234 00:16:28,796 --> 00:16:30,575 Everyone says, “You have done wonderful.” 235 00:16:30,576 --> 00:16:33,246 What can I do wonderful? 236 00:16:33,247 --> 00:16:38,835 It is by his pleasure it is going on. 237 00:16:38,836 --> 00:16:51,176 …prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ [Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka 8] 238 00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:51,178 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Jitarati Dāsa & Pratyatoṣa Dāsa