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MW CHI 1975-07-09 All-isms is Equal to Animalism
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on July 9th, 1975, in Chicago, Illinois.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Everyone is hovering
on the mental plane. [break]
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…the principle of Baha’i religion?
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JAYATĪRTHA: It was founded in Persia.
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Huh?
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It was founded in Persia.
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Oh.
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It’s a hodge-podge… Hodge-podge principle.
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JAGADĪŚA: They think that everyone is
evolving, that after taking this human life,
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you have to go to heaven.
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Huh?
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After taking this human life, you have to go to heaven.
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That’s the next stage, even if you’re
the most sinful of all sinners.
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Oh. Even one is sinful, he will also go?
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Yes.
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Because they say that God is all-merciful, therefore…
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You can do whatever you like.
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BRAHMĀNANDA: God becomes the order-supplier.
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They have a big temple.
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This is Baha’i temple?
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No, no, it’s back the other way.
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It’s much bigger than this building?
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Yes, it’s quite a… [break]
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So long one is in the bodily concept of life, he is animal.
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Will these people accept this?
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Hm?
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They won’t like to.
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Then?
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: By our preaching
we have to make them accept it.
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Yes. Actually that’s a fact.
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SUDĀMĀ: We have to set an example for them.
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Hmm?
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We have to set an example for them to see.
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What is the example?
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That this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, actually it does work,
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it does make us purified.
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“No. It works with you. It doesn’t
work with me,” he will say.
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You have to prove that they are animals.
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How you will prove it?
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: By showing
the activities of the animals
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and their activities to be the same.
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Yes.
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They have to judge that “What
is the difference between
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animal’s activities and our so-
called civilized man’s activities?”
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You compare them to the animals,
then they become insulted.
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But he is animal.
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That is, if you call a thief a thief, he will feel insulted.
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But does it mean that I shall
say that “You are very honest?”
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A thief shall be called thief.
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That is natural.
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If you call a Negro, “You black,” he will be angry.
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But he is black.
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So… So that is another thing.
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When the activities are similar to the
animal activities, then he is animal.
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Why a reasonable man will not accept that, hm?
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In that case also, he is animal.
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Because they say, “Man is rational animal.”
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So if you are devoid of rationality
then again you are animal.
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So how he will avoid, that he is not animal?
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SATSVARŪPA: Many people
today are willing to accept that.
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They say, “Yes, we’re animals. We should enjoy our animal nature.”
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Yes, so go on enjoying.
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Then don’t talk of this “How, what to do, criminal?”
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Go on, animal.
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Then why you are anxious to avoid criminality? Hmm?
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The dogs, hogs, they are not
anxious to avoid criminality.
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Why you are trying to avoid criminality?
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Remain animal.
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Hmm?
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When the dog goes left to the right, it is not criminality,
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but why do you prosecute a man when
he drives from the left to the right?
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You remain dog.
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“Why you charge me criminality?
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Hm?
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I am dog, sir.”
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Tell him. [laughter]
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Go to the court and say, “I am
dog, sir. Excuse me, I am dog.”
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Why don’t you say that?
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Do you say like that?
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When you are arrested and charged in
the court, you can plead, “I am dog, sir.
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Excuse me.”
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Why it is not excused? He is punished, why?
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The human body means you have responsibility.
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Yes. And they say, “Whatever you do, it is all right.”
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In the human body you cannot do like that.
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If in the ordinary court it is so strict, so
what will be in the court of the God?
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Just like they have laws, so similarly, Kṛṣṇa has.
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Well, laws come… Where from the
laws come? It comes from Kṛṣṇa.
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Janmādyasya yataḥ [Vedānta-sūtra, 1.1.2].
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Everything, whatever you see, it has come from God.
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Otherwise where you get the idea?
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That is the definition in the Vedānta.
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Whatever you have experienced, that is
coming from God, original idea from God.
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Janmādyasya [Vedānta-sūtra, 1.1.2]
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In the Bhagavad-gītā the same thing is
said, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8].
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Whatever you see, you perceive, you
experience, the original is from Kṛṣṇa.
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[pause]
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So we shall go? [break]
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…them directly that “You are animal.”
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And let him go to the court and we
shall prove that he is animal. [break]
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…then he is in bodily concept of life,
charge him that “You are animal.
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If you think it is defamation,
let us go to the court.” [break]
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…these isms, nationalism, Communism, socialism,
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this… These are all animalism,
nothing but animalism. [break]
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…big fish within the water, they
are also eating the small fish,
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and these persons are engaged, the same business.
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Like a big fish, bigger fish.
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Big fish is expert. He can go within the water and eat.
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He has to make some tackle.
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He is less than fish. [laughter]
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And when he catches it, he eats it.
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Huh?
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After catching, he eats it.
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No, the fish immediately. He has
to cook, he has to…, another thing.
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That means it is not his food.
Artificially, he is eating. [break] [splice]
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DEVOTEE (1): …why do some of them carry these sticks.
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Sticks?
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TRIPURĀRI: Daṇḍa.
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To drive away dogs. [laughter] [break]
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…species of human life… Different spec …
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The 400,000 different species of human life?
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There’s one place in which you mention that
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different persons like carpenter or different
tradesmen are different species. Is that…?
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No, no.
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What are the… What’s the…
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That is division.
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Varṇa, that is called varṇa.
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So that has nothing to do with species.
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Species is like Negro or…
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Yes. [break]
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…gods are also included in this human species.
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Different types of… Kinnara, 400,000.
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Also different planets?
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Yes.
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But everyone can become devotee. There is no harm.
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It is not that because one is in the lower
species, he cannot become a devotee.
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Everyone can. [break]
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…yoni, they can also become perfect devotee. [break]
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This is the power of God.
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He can deliver anyone without any consideration.
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Therefore paṇḍita is sama-darśinaḥ,
he does not make these divisions.
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He sees that “He is spirit soul.
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So let him be delivered.” That’s all.
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Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśināh [Bg. 5.18].
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Materially there is division.
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He is black, he is white, he is this, he is that.
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This is material.
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Spiritually, there is no division. One. [break]
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They make, what is called, spiritual division also.
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That is their foolishness.
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Spiritually there is no division.
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samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu mad-
bhaktiṁ labhate param [Bg. 18.54]
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Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu mad-
bhaktiṁ labhate param [Bg. 18.54].
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[indistinct] Jaya.
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