MW DEL 1975-12-07 Scientific Eggheads- Manufacture an Egg
ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 7th of December, 1975, in Vṛndāvana, India.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Agra came yesterday, Prabhupāda.
He wants to live with us.
He knows Hindi. He’s a teacher. He’s a doctor. He’s a writer.
He’s very, very nice. I’ll bring him to you today.
PRABHUPĀDA: He knows English also?
AKSAYĀNANDA: English very well.
Very humble and he wants to teach.
If he can stay in Vṛndāvana I think it will be very, very beneficial for us.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Wonderful.
I’ll bring him this morning if it’s all right.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Jaya. He bows down. He pays dandavats.
He said, “You’re a sannyāsī, so I must respect. I’m only a gṛhastha.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, that is the duty.
AKSAYĀNANDA: And he is also very intelligent.
He’s not just doing it out of sentiment.
Very nice man. Older man.
PRABHUPĀDA: If a sannyāsī is not offered respect,
the punishment is that he should fast one day.
That is śāstric injunction.
GUNARNAVA: What is the punishment if one doesn’t fast?
PRABHUPĀDA: You must go to hell. [laughter] [splice]
…much colder today. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, and it will increase.
Yes.
In December January it will be very cold.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. It’ll be almost twice as cold. [break]
PRABHUPĀDA: …middle of January, there will be cloud, rain.
You have no experience, last winter, anyone?
Huh?
AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes, I have.
Still, if we’re sincere we’ll stay in Vṛndāvana
even if blood and stool comes from the sky,
if you want. PRABHUPĀDA: Why do you expect that? [break]
…chapati, you apply little ghee? AKSAYĀNANDA: For the guests.
PRABHUPĀDA: And not for you? AKSAYĀNANDA: No.
PRABHUPĀDA: Why?
AKSAYĀNANDA: Because it’s very expensive and not necessary.
PRABHUPĀDA: No. AKSAYĀNANDA: If you say it is necessary, we will do.
PRABHUPĀDA: No, in this season it is necessary.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Very nice. We’ll do. That is nice.
A little more ghee should be there. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: A little more grain. Even little grain at night is all right, I think.
PRABHUPĀDA: No, you must eat properly. AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes.
Then we’ll do it. PRABHUPĀDA: And try to keep some cows.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Accha. PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. On the other land.
Make a shed immediately and keep some cows.
And Viśvambhara, he is experienced. He will help. [break]
…necessary vairāgya, there is no need.
We don’t approve that.
Yuktāhāra-vihāras ca [?].
What you require for keeping health but not to eat too much.
But what is absolutely required must be done.
AKSAYĀNANDA: I heard that if you pass stool
more than once a day you become a bhogī? You are called a bhogī?
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Does that mean a serious devotee should only pass stool once a day?
PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t artificially do that. [laughter]
First of all become yogi. Then do it.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes.
Of course, it can only be done by Kṛṣṇa’s mercy, but one should at least try for that.
PRABHUPĀDA: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
Don’t try for passing stool once. [laughter]
That does not make you a yogi.
BHAVANANDA: Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47].
PRABHUPĀDA: Antara… Yes.
That makes you yogi, not by passing stool. [laughter]
Hare Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct]
HARIKESA: That will be it? The scientist and the egg? PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
HARIKESA: Okay.
PRABHUPĀDA: You know that? What is that article?
AKSAYĀNANDA: The one you heard last night?
PRABHUPĀDA: No.
When I was in South America I saw that…
HARIKESA: South Africa.
PRABHUPĀDA: South Africa.
There are many factories for chicken killing.
So I suggested that the egg, you can analyze, find out the chemicals and…
AKSAYĀNANDA: Create one.
PRABHUPĀDA: Create one egg.
That was my proposal.
So he is going to create. [laughter]
He’ll explain how to create egg from…
AKSAYĀNANDA: From chemicals. JNANA: And make chicken.
HARIKESA: Calcium phosphate and a little sulphur for the yellow, make some color,
and cover it in plastic and put it in an incubator and let a chicken grow.
PRABHUPĀDA: And you eat.
AKSAYĀNANDA: That will be a nice article.
HARIKESA: And if they can, they can beat us on the face with shoes,
and if they can’t, we can beat them on the face with shoes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Well, that’s another thing. [break]
PRABHUPĀDA: Regret is that these rascals are going as scientists and big men.
Simply talk. They cannot create.
It is very simple thing.
Put some chemicals together and if you know the chemicals,
then why don’t you put it?
And incubator put, then you don’t require to kill so many chicken. [break]
ALANATH: In Sweden when you go on the street and you preach,
“Everybody must suffer here,”
they don’t believe because everybody got an apartment.
They have never seen a poor man or a starving cow.
PRAHUPADA: But he is himself a poor man.
ALANATH: In Sweden… PRABHUPĀDA: But he has no knowledge to understand it.
Why he is falling down from the skyscraper and killing himself? Why?
A poor man commits suicide.
So if he is committing suicide he is a poor man. He is a poor man.
He falsely thinking that he is rich man.
ALANATH: We’re printing now a book there
with all the talks according to the scientists and according to the Christian
philosophy what was lately in the Back to Godheads in America.
PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t write anything nonsense. It must be very solid.
Otherwise, you’ll be laughing stock.
What you’ll say, it must… ALANATH: No, just the talks you make.
Just your conversations. AKSAYĀNANDA: Your lectures only.
PRABHUPĀDA: Oh. That’s all right.
One must be confident before challenging others.
Not that theoretical. Challenge is no good.
In all stages he must be able to defend himself from the opposing elements.
Then such challenge is all right. [break]
We are confident that this soul
cannot be manufactured by any material combination. Therefore we can challenge.
And I can defend ourself in any stage. [break]
Cānā, cānā?
AKSAYĀNANDA: Channā? PRABHUPĀDA: Not channā but cānā.
Cānaka dāhl?
AKSAYĀNANDA: Dāhl. Cānā dāhl, yes. PRABHUPĀDA: Ah, yes.
Cānā dāhl is good nowadays. AKSAYĀNANDA: Chick pea dahl for winter.
PRABHUPĀDA: Mixed with little uraḍ dāhl,
then it will be very palatable and very beneficial.
AKSAYĀNANDA: For at lunchtime?
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. AKSAYĀNANDA: Yes. Very good. [break]
…dāhl will give you as much energy as eggs will any time.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes.
AKSAYĀNANDA: Practically the same thing.
PRABHUPĀDA: It contains protein.
HARIKESA: Actually it’s a wonderful challenge.
This big, big scientist, big, big brain…
PRABHUPĀDA: Big, big monkey. [laughter]
“Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy.”
HARIKESA: And we walk in and put an egg in front of him.
PRABHUPĀDA: You do not know this?
Baro baro bandolel, baro baro peṭ laṅkā dingate, matakare het [?]. [laughter]
This translation was done by one big professor, of President’s College,
Professor Rowe. He was a big professor in the President’s College.
So these professors required to learn Bengali, so he translated,
“Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping melancholy.” [break]
ALANATH: There’s some countries in Europe
where they have absolute laws against selling books in the street.
In these countries do we have to make something secret to sell your books?
PRABHUPĀDA: Secret? Why?
ALANATH: Because otherwise they would immediately put you in prison.
PRABHUPĀDA: Where? Here in India?
ALANATH: No. In Europe, like in Switzerland.
But when we go there for selling books people take them like anything,
but you have to hide before the police very carefully.
PRABHUPĀDA: Why? Why don’t you take permission from the court?
ALANATH: No. It’s not possible.
AKṢAYĀNANDA: Have you applied? ALANATH: They have very strict laws.
It’s also been applied for. PRABHUPĀDA: No, you have to prove: “This is very
important book of knowledge, so allow us a special.”
ALANATH: It’s especially different if foreigners try to sell a book there.
And we have… Like in Austria we have no Austrian devotees there.
AKṢAYĀNANDA: They think it’s an invasion.
ALANATH: Yes. We used to go there sometimes, and it was very good.
People took many many books, but sometimes they caught us, so…
PRABHUPĀDA: No, if they caught,
go to the jail and when there is trial you should explain that
“This is very important book. The government should allow to sell.”
ALANATH: If the policemen liked us, but the law is strict.
PRABHUPĀDA: Therefore you have to take defense from the law.
You present in the court the professors’ opinion,
how they are giving standing order.
Why the state should restrain distributing knowledge?
Do they want to keep their men in darkness?
You have to preach like that. [break]…
University is the most important university in Europe.
They read our books. They order standing order.
So why this loafer state prohibit?
ALANATH: …these explanations, they always argue,
“If we allow you to sell your books, then we must allow everybody to sell on the street.”
PRABHUPĀDA: No.
But you must consider the importance of… [break]
Everybody submits application for becoming high court judge.
Will it be granted?
There must be discrimination.
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