0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,131 MW GEN 1974-06-06 One Machine Makes 100 Men Unemployed 1 00:00:02,132 --> 00:00:05,061 ANNOUNCER: Next is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:05,062 --> 00:00:10,901 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:10,902 --> 00:00:23,441 recorded on June 6th, 1974, in Geneva, Switzerland. 4 00:00:23,442 --> 00:00:26,251 PRABHUPĀDA: …is Geneva very many churches? 5 00:00:26,252 --> 00:00:27,501 GURU GAURĀṄGA: Many churches in Geneva? 6 00:00:27,502 --> 00:00:30,531 - No. - No. - Not so many. 7 00:00:30,532 --> 00:00:33,390 That means godless. 8 00:00:33,391 --> 00:00:34,012 Eh? 9 00:00:34,013 --> 00:00:47,241 - Yes. - Yes. 10 00:00:47,242 --> 00:00:51,731 When I first came to America, Butler, in Pennsylvania, 11 00:00:51,732 --> 00:00:57,171 that is small county, but at least one dozen churches I found. 12 00:00:57,172 --> 00:01:02,021 I very much appreciated, that the people are not… 13 00:01:02,022 --> 00:01:04,691 And they’re going regularly, churches. 14 00:01:04,692 --> 00:01:06,455 I was invited in many churches. 15 00:01:06,456 --> 00:01:07,751 I was… 16 00:01:07,752 --> 00:01:11,031 - YOGEŚVARA: To lecture? - Yes. 17 00:01:11,032 --> 00:01:19,192 The… The girl that… My friend’s son’s wife… 18 00:01:19,193 --> 00:01:21,191 He’s Indian. 19 00:01:21,192 --> 00:01:25,988 He has married an English girl. 20 00:01:25,989 --> 00:01:30,041 So I was guest at his house. 21 00:01:30,042 --> 00:01:35,781 - So that girl, Sally… Selly or Sally? - Sally. 22 00:01:35,782 --> 00:01:38,163 She was arranging so many meetings. 23 00:01:38,164 --> 00:01:44,291 She was very intelligent girl. 24 00:01:44,292 --> 00:01:48,620 So churches, many churches, she… 25 00:01:48,621 --> 00:01:58,431 Some of the churches purchased my books. 26 00:01:58,432 --> 00:02:06,291 Recently, one of our saṅkīrtana parties went to Butler, Pennsylvania, 27 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:13,521 and uh, one of the devotees met a… priest on the street. 28 00:02:13,522 --> 00:02:16,511 He said: “Oh, yes, I remember your spiritual master. 29 00:02:16,512 --> 00:02:21,479 He was here.” 30 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,919 So I was giving lectures; they have churches; 31 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:43,021 That means God consciousness is there. 32 00:02:43,022 --> 00:02:47,461 I never criticized church, mosque, never. 33 00:02:47,462 --> 00:02:53,171 Because whatever it may be, at least there is God consciousness. 34 00:02:53,172 --> 00:02:56,137 So they’re good. 35 00:02:56,138 --> 00:02:57,189 In details… 36 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:58,691 But when they disobey… 37 00:02:58,692 --> 00:03:05,031 I… I criticize only these rascals, [when they] disobey the commandments. 38 00:03:05,032 --> 00:03:07,909 Otherwise, we have no… 39 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:13,441 We don’t criticize. 40 00:03:13,442 --> 00:03:15,651 - We’re not sectarian. - Eh? - We’re not sectarian. 41 00:03:15,652 --> 00:03:16,228 Why? 42 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:18,058 God is one. 43 00:03:18,059 --> 00:03:21,811 Why we shall be sectarian? 44 00:03:21,812 --> 00:03:25,101 According to his circumstances, he is doing. 45 00:03:25,102 --> 00:03:29,411 And that prayer is also bhakti, offering prayer. 46 00:03:29,412 --> 00:03:35,233 śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanaṁ 47 00:03:35,234 --> 00:03:36,491 …vandanam… [SB 7.5.23] 48 00:03:36,492 --> 00:03:39,421 This vandana is prayer. 49 00:03:39,422 --> 00:03:54,541 So that is bhakti, one of the items of bhakti. 50 00:03:54,542 --> 00:03:56,672 Everyone needs to be encouraged. 51 00:03:56,673 --> 00:03:57,191 Eh? 52 00:03:57,192 --> 00:04:16,171 Everyone needs to be encouraged in their God consciousness. 53 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,814 smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam 54 00:04:18,815 --> 00:04:25,942 arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ sakhyam ātma-nivedanam [SB 7.5.23] 55 00:04:25,943 --> 00:04:28,681 bhaktiś cen nava-lakṣaṇā [SB 7.5.24] 56 00:04:28,682 --> 00:04:34,841 Bhakti is demonstrated in nine different symptoms. 57 00:04:34,842 --> 00:04:38,461 So vandanam, offering prayers, that is bhakti. 58 00:04:38,462 --> 00:04:43,741 PUṢṬA−KṚṢṆA: Is it required for them to have a spiritual master to guide them? 59 00:04:43,742 --> 00:04:44,833 Certainly. 60 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:49,025 These rascals, the priests, they do not guide them; they are also fallen. 61 00:04:49,026 --> 00:04:53,391 Otherwise, Christian religion is very nice. 62 00:04:53,392 --> 00:04:54,760 If they follow. 63 00:04:54,761 --> 00:04:56,841 So many times they asked me. 64 00:04:56,842 --> 00:05:18,192 “Yes, if you follow your Christian religion, you’ll be perfect.” 65 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:23,252 Caitanya Mahāprabhu proved devotional service from Koran. 66 00:05:23,253 --> 00:05:26,842 - Yes. - The Khān Vaiṣṇavas. - Yes. 67 00:05:26,843 --> 00:05:48,362 So it requires the devotee who can explain from any godly literature about God. 68 00:05:48,363 --> 00:05:49,599 How rascal they are! 69 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,312 “Jesus Christ ate fish. 70 00:05:52,313 --> 00:05:55,322 Therefore we shall maintain big, big slaughterhouse.” 71 00:05:55,323 --> 00:06:11,633 Just see the argument. 72 00:06:11,634 --> 00:06:16,082 Then, in the Bengali, mosa makta kanan [?]. 73 00:06:16,083 --> 00:06:24,562 There was a mosquito, and one is asking, “Bring a cannon.” 74 00:06:24,563 --> 00:06:26,751 “Bring a cannon.” 75 00:06:26,752 --> 00:06:29,942 Mosa makta kanan. 76 00:06:29,943 --> 00:06:35,702 Jesus Christ ate somewhere; there was no food available to eat, might have. 77 00:06:35,703 --> 00:06:41,112 Accepting he ate, but does it mean that you have to maintain slaughterhouse? 78 00:06:41,113 --> 00:06:50,856 Just see. 79 00:06:50,857 --> 00:06:53,602 And besides that, he might have done anything. 80 00:06:53,603 --> 00:06:55,871 He’s powerful. 81 00:06:55,872 --> 00:06:56,482 He can eat. 82 00:06:56,483 --> 00:06:59,702 Therefore the other day I said, “He can eat the whole world.” 83 00:06:59,703 --> 00:07:02,275 But you cannot imitate. 84 00:07:02,276 --> 00:07:04,172 You have to follow his instruction. 85 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:16,548 That is Christianity. [splice] 86 00:07:16,549 --> 00:07:25,172 One, in Delhi, when our festival was going on, we invited a big chemist. 87 00:07:25,173 --> 00:07:32,312 He admitted that “Our chemical advance, scientific advancement is like this.” 88 00:07:32,313 --> 00:07:33,657 He explained very nicely. 89 00:07:33,658 --> 00:07:34,572 You were present? 90 00:07:34,573 --> 00:07:38,162 - Where? - In Delhi? 91 00:07:38,163 --> 00:07:49,462 He said that a man who has learned the art to, what is called, 92 00:07:49,463 --> 00:07:55,143 barking like dog, and people will go to see, purchasing ticket, 93 00:07:55,144 --> 00:07:59,332 ten rupees, twenty rupees, how the man is barking like a dog. 94 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:04,782 And there are so many dogs barking; they won’t see. 95 00:08:04,783 --> 00:08:07,872 This is our advancement. 96 00:08:07,873 --> 00:08:15,132 If a man has artificially learned how to bark, they’ll go to see by paying fees. 97 00:08:15,133 --> 00:08:18,962 And the natural barking, they don’t. 98 00:08:18,963 --> 00:08:21,252 So these rascals are like that. 99 00:08:21,253 --> 00:08:24,702 They’re trying to manufacture life. 100 00:08:24,703 --> 00:08:27,354 And so many life is coming by nature’s process, 101 00:08:27,355 --> 00:08:30,842 millions and millions; that is no credit. 102 00:08:30,843 --> 00:08:39,382 And he’s trying, utopian, he’ll create life by chemical combination, he’s given all credit, 103 00:08:39,383 --> 00:08:42,228 Nobel Prize: “Oh, here is a man.” 104 00:08:42,229 --> 00:08:45,272 This is rascaldom. 105 00:08:45,273 --> 00:08:46,662 So what credit you’ll get. 106 00:08:46,663 --> 00:08:51,832 Suppose if you can manufacture a man or an animal in the laboratory: 107 00:08:51,833 --> 00:08:53,022 Where is your credit? 108 00:08:53,023 --> 00:08:59,322 There are many millions and millions are coming automatically. 109 00:08:59,323 --> 00:09:06,512 We are trying to give credit to Kṛṣṇa who is making all this creation. 110 00:09:06,513 --> 00:09:12,042 There is one Englishman named Aldous Huxley… 111 00:09:12,043 --> 00:09:13,278 - Yes. - who wrote a book called 112 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:15,892 Brave New World, and in that book, 113 00:09:15,893 --> 00:09:18,902 he predicted something that’s coming true now, 114 00:09:18,903 --> 00:09:25,832 that there would be a process of biologically screening babies, 115 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:31,015 so that men could be breeded like animals, like they breed animals. 116 00:09:31,016 --> 00:09:35,643 So they would take one strain of chromosomes, 117 00:09:35,644 --> 00:09:39,562 and breed a class of men who would make perfect administrators, 118 00:09:39,563 --> 00:09:43,602 and then they would breed another class of men that would be perfect śūdras, 119 00:09:43,603 --> 00:09:46,102 and they would breed another class of men who would be perfect scientists. 120 00:09:46,103 --> 00:09:52,842 And that is already there. 121 00:09:52,843 --> 00:10:02,152 guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg 4.13] 122 00:10:02,153 --> 00:10:08,052 In Vedic astrology, jāta- karma, they will say that, 123 00:10:08,053 --> 00:10:13,137 “This child is a śūdra, this child is a brāhmaṇa, 124 00:10:13,138 --> 00:10:15,562 this child is a kṣatriya.” 125 00:10:15,563 --> 00:10:21,942 By the birth, by the constellation of the stars, it will be done. 126 00:10:21,943 --> 00:10:25,112 It is already being done. 127 00:10:25,113 --> 00:10:34,170 And in the medical laboratory, the blood has been tested, 128 00:10:34,171 --> 00:10:39,649 brāhmaṇa, śūdra, vaiśya; there is different blood. 129 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:41,102 - Wow. - Yes. 130 00:10:41,103 --> 00:10:43,264 The blood infusion. 131 00:10:43,265 --> 00:10:56,589 So if the, a different blood is infused, it does not act. 132 00:10:56,590 --> 00:10:58,352 So one doctor, in India, 133 00:10:58,353 --> 00:11:10,032 he was permanently keeping different bloods for different persons. 134 00:11:10,033 --> 00:11:13,452 So there is some meaning in the caste system. 135 00:11:13,453 --> 00:11:15,718 But that is not… 136 00:11:15,719 --> 00:11:19,782 In a brāhmaṇa family, a śūdra may also take birth. 137 00:11:19,783 --> 00:11:21,802 Śūdra blood. 138 00:11:21,803 --> 00:11:29,312 So to keep the blood brahminical, therefore the reformatory system is there, 139 00:11:29,313 --> 00:11:33,672 garbhādhāna-saṁskāra and all the saṁskāras. 140 00:11:33,673 --> 00:11:41,522 Before birth, they keep, to keep the blood brahminical, there is ceremony. 141 00:11:41,523 --> 00:11:43,779 SATSVARŪPA: Yesterday you said when one becomes initiated 142 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:46,592 by a bona fide spiritual master, his body changes. 143 00:11:46,593 --> 00:11:48,122 Yes. 144 00:11:48,123 --> 00:11:53,372 Even if he was mleccha, [he] can become brāhmaṇa. 145 00:11:53,373 --> 00:11:58,292 Actually, the chemists also say there are four types of blood, 146 00:11:58,293 --> 00:12:02,512 A, AB, O, or something like that. 147 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:12,254 They give it four names. 148 00:12:12,255 --> 00:12:19,422 And according to Hindu system, the marriage was taking place find…, 149 00:12:19,423 --> 00:12:24,772 examining the girl’s constitution and the boy’s constitution 150 00:12:24,773 --> 00:12:29,211 so that there may not be disruption. 151 00:12:29,212 --> 00:12:40,035 Everything was there. 152 00:12:40,036 --> 00:12:40,037 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Edited by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa Sponsored by Dr. Douglas Maki