0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,701 MW JOH 1975-10-21 Abortionists-Kick Them in Nose 1 00:00:01,702 --> 00:00:04,421 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:04,422 --> 00:00:09,941 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:09,942 --> 00:00:18,311 recorded on October 21st, 1975, in Durban, South Africa. 4 00:00:18,312 --> 00:00:24,031 Kṛṣṇa went to collect with Sudāmā Vipra, and all of a sudden, 5 00:00:24,032 --> 00:00:31,361 there was cloud and rain, and there was too much water, 6 00:00:31,362 --> 00:00:36,191 and they lived upon a tree for the whole night. 7 00:00:36,192 --> 00:00:44,241 Then Sāndīpani Muni, other students, came and rescued them. 8 00:00:44,242 --> 00:00:59,731 Now we have to collect to pay the electricity bill. 9 00:00:59,732 --> 00:01:07,681 These things are wasted. It can be utilized. 10 00:01:07,682 --> 00:01:12,101 The children, they’ll gladly collect it. 11 00:01:12,102 --> 00:01:14,692 It will be like their sports. 12 00:01:14,693 --> 00:01:17,882 All the children will come and collect. Just see. 13 00:01:17,883 --> 00:01:27,812 Their energy is utilized, the nature’s gift is utilized, and there is no expenditure. 14 00:01:27,813 --> 00:01:45,292 Such a nice arrangment. Yes. Why they should charge for education? 15 00:01:45,293 --> 00:01:48,662 They’ll not cut the tree. 16 00:01:48,663 --> 00:02:06,792 The dry branches or dead tree, they’ll take the wood for utilization. 17 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:22,012 We can walk down this way, Śrīla Prabhupāda [break] 18 00:02:22,013 --> 00:02:24,722 …parents who would give up their children to gurukula, 19 00:02:24,723 --> 00:02:28,662 they would never see them for about ten years? 20 00:02:28,663 --> 00:02:33,952 Never see. Ten years? Twenty-five years. 21 00:02:33,953 --> 00:02:47,012 They may go and see, give some gifts to the guru. 22 00:02:47,013 --> 00:02:51,202 In the Western countries they criticize our gurukula that “This is inhuman, 23 00:02:51,203 --> 00:02:57,412 people sending their children away at such an early age, not seeing them.” 24 00:02:57,413 --> 00:03:05,462 And to kill, that is very human. Rascal. Kick them upon their face. 25 00:03:05,463 --> 00:03:11,632 You rascal, you are talking of morality, rascal, you go to hell. 26 00:03:11,633 --> 00:03:14,752 Your place is hell. 27 00:03:14,753 --> 00:03:19,833 “Devil citing scripture.” 28 00:03:19,834 --> 00:03:28,213 You are not… You are so shameless that you do not be ashamed to speak like that. 29 00:03:28,214 --> 00:03:33,043 You are so shameless. 30 00:03:33,044 --> 00:03:38,283 Your civilization is so shameless. 31 00:03:38,284 --> 00:03:47,463 You are killing child in the womb, and you are talking “inhumanity.” 32 00:03:47,464 --> 00:03:48,853 Just see. 33 00:03:48,854 --> 00:03:56,693 We have to deal with such fools and rascals. 34 00:03:56,694 --> 00:04:00,603 But they say the child in the womb is not living. 35 00:04:00,604 --> 00:04:05,533 They say it’s not life yet. Only after it takes birth. That is said by you. 36 00:04:05,534 --> 00:04:09,543 You, the tenth-class rascal, you say like that. 37 00:04:09,544 --> 00:04:12,943 No sane man says like that. 38 00:04:12,944 --> 00:04:26,983 Because you are a tenth-class rascal—you have no knowledge—you say like that. 39 00:04:26,984 --> 00:04:33,673 They are… The so-called scientists, they are tenth-class rascals. 40 00:04:33,674 --> 00:04:36,913 Until the child is moving there is no life. 41 00:04:36,914 --> 00:04:38,873 Moving, it is not moving? 42 00:04:38,874 --> 00:04:40,953 No. It doesn’t move until after seven months. 43 00:04:40,954 --> 00:04:44,493 Then why the dead child cannot move, rascal? 44 00:04:44,494 --> 00:04:51,003 It’s developing, it’s growing. That’s moving also. 45 00:04:51,004 --> 00:04:57,483 No, no, if moving is not there, then the dead child is also not moving. 46 00:04:57,484 --> 00:05:04,514 Why he is not moving again? 47 00:05:04,515 --> 00:05:05,944 I don’t understand. 48 00:05:05,945 --> 00:05:08,814 A dead child comes; it is not moving. 49 00:05:08,815 --> 00:05:10,694 But does it come to movement again? 50 00:05:10,695 --> 00:05:11,294 No. 51 00:05:11,295 --> 00:05:15,234 Then? 52 00:05:15,235 --> 00:05:17,234 Oh. 53 00:05:17,235 --> 00:05:18,364 He is another rascal. 54 00:05:18,365 --> 00:05:25,024 He takes so much time to answer [laughter] 55 00:05:25,025 --> 00:05:27,504 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: This idea of the “devil citing scripture,” Prabhupāda, 56 00:05:27,505 --> 00:05:31,434 is very common. 57 00:05:31,435 --> 00:05:39,714 Devils, all devils. 58 00:05:39,715 --> 00:05:44,364 They wanted to write an article about this for BTG, 59 00:05:44,365 --> 00:05:49,174 and everybody was sitting around giving these examples. 60 00:05:49,175 --> 00:06:02,164 Yes, think over. Write article. 61 00:06:02,165 --> 00:06:08,344 If there was no life who is at a certain stage in the womb, 62 00:06:08,345 --> 00:06:13,604 wherefrom the movement comes, if there was no life? 63 00:06:13,605 --> 00:06:15,984 They say it develops to the point… 64 00:06:15,985 --> 00:06:23,135 PRABHUPĀDA: But why it does not develop in a dead child, rascal? 65 00:06:23,136 --> 00:06:39,545 The same child, if it comes out dead, why the movement does not develop? 66 00:06:39,546 --> 00:06:43,855 Well, that one already developed properly and then died. 67 00:06:43,856 --> 00:06:48,575 That child already developed properly. No, the process is the same. 68 00:06:48,576 --> 00:06:51,815 It was not moving. At a cetain stage it is moving. 69 00:06:51,816 --> 00:06:57,665 Similarly, if it is not moving, then wait for a certain stage; it will move. 70 00:06:57,666 --> 00:06:59,785 Why it is decomposed? 71 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:05,595 But that dead child was moving and then died. How it became dead, nonsense? 72 00:07:05,596 --> 00:07:13,275 The condition is the same, no movement. So how do you say “dead?” 73 00:07:13,276 --> 00:07:17,835 Why do you say “dead?” 74 00:07:17,836 --> 00:07:24,955 The distinction is it was not moving, and it is now not moving, 75 00:07:24,956 --> 00:07:40,565 so why do you call “dead?” 76 00:07:40,566 --> 00:07:47,605 In such a foolish society, how people can be happy? 77 00:07:47,606 --> 00:07:50,735 Well, it’s the mother’s choice to kill the child or not. 78 00:07:50,736 --> 00:07:54,415 If the child isn’t born yet, it hasn’t come to life in the world, 79 00:07:54,416 --> 00:07:59,365 so the mother has the responsibility; she can kill it or not because it’s her thing, 80 00:07:59,366 --> 00:08:02,615 her child, her production, so she can kill it or not. 81 00:08:02,616 --> 00:08:05,945 So I can kill you; I am your guru. 82 00:08:05,946 --> 00:08:08,066 Yes. Who can say anything? 83 00:08:08,067 --> 00:08:10,056 I can kill you. 84 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:12,446 Why police is there? 85 00:08:12,447 --> 00:08:16,046 I can say, “He is my disciple. He has fully surrendered. 86 00:08:16,047 --> 00:08:20,556 I can kill him.” That’s all. 87 00:08:20,557 --> 00:08:23,626 Will that argument save me from police action? 88 00:08:23,627 --> 00:08:26,546 No. 89 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:32,646 The child is so dependent on the mother, if the mother mistreats the opportunity, 90 00:08:32,647 --> 00:08:33,856 she also is punished. 91 00:08:33,857 --> 00:08:42,006 Yes. 92 00:08:42,007 --> 00:08:45,086 But if the child would cause the mother so much anxiety… 93 00:08:45,087 --> 00:08:51,176 PRABHUPĀDA: Don’t talk like foolish. Don’t talk of that. 94 00:08:51,177 --> 00:09:00,386 It is waste of time. 95 00:09:00,387 --> 00:09:04,826 If it is the property of the mother, mother can kill at any time. 96 00:09:04,827 --> 00:09:11,706 Why at a certain point if the mother kills child she is hanged? 97 00:09:11,707 --> 00:09:20,886 If the mother has got the liberty to kill the child, she can kill at any time. 98 00:09:20,887 --> 00:09:23,716 Well, it’s just a tumor. It’s like a tumor. 99 00:09:23,717 --> 00:09:28,727 Then why you say that it is mother’s right to kill? 100 00:09:28,728 --> 00:09:34,227 And tumor, can you bring life in tumor? 101 00:09:34,228 --> 00:09:39,687 Kick simply on their face, on their nose. 102 00:09:39,688 --> 00:09:49,457 That is the only thing to treat with such… Murkhasya latausadhiḥ. 103 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:57,697 Such fools in the society, they should be hanged. 104 00:09:57,698 --> 00:10:08,337 Misleading the whole population. 105 00:10:08,338 --> 00:10:11,337 Even the big, big philosophers simply say that 106 00:10:11,338 --> 00:10:15,247 life doesn’t start until it comes out of the womb. 107 00:10:15,248 --> 00:10:18,587 They are just convinced of it. They are just convinced of it. 108 00:10:18,588 --> 00:10:22,617 No matter what argument you give, they are just simply convinced. 109 00:10:22,618 --> 00:10:27,717 How they are convinced? Hm? 110 00:10:27,718 --> 00:10:32,807 Prabhupāda’s argument is that if life is not there in the womb, then how it develops? 111 00:10:32,808 --> 00:10:37,317 Yes. That is the point. 112 00:10:37,318 --> 00:10:39,107 Just like the eggs. 113 00:10:39,108 --> 00:10:43,297 If there is no life, how the chicken comes? 114 00:10:43,298 --> 00:10:47,497 Why don’t you manufacture an egg and bring life from it? 115 00:10:47,498 --> 00:10:51,057 That was… The other day I was talking. 116 00:10:51,058 --> 00:11:00,607 So because you are tenth-class rascal you cannot understand how the life is there. 117 00:11:00,608 --> 00:11:02,758 A seed. Take a seed. 118 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:08,728 Unless there is life, how a big tree comes out of it? 119 00:11:08,729 --> 00:11:20,188 You manufacture something like that, imitating, and bring life. 120 00:11:20,189 --> 00:11:22,398 Life is there. 121 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:30,268 Because you are tenth-class rascal you do not know. 122 00:11:30,269 --> 00:11:33,468 They also bring up the insane argument that life… 123 00:11:33,469 --> 00:11:36,048 PRABHUPĀDA: “Insane argument.” How we have…? 124 00:11:36,049 --> 00:11:51,798 We have no time to hear such insane argument. 125 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:56,228 But these demons, Prabhupāda, they pose themselves as being very religious. 126 00:11:56,229 --> 00:12:00,998 They pose themselves as being very religious. 127 00:12:00,999 --> 00:12:05,098 How they are religious? 128 00:12:05,099 --> 00:12:06,988 They cite scripture. 129 00:12:06,989 --> 00:12:25,008 [laughs] The scripture is also devilish. 130 00:12:25,009 --> 00:12:30,038 The scientists cannot immediately accept authority of the Bhāgavatam, 131 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:32,838 that it will take hundreds of years. 132 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:39,688 Less intelligent. No intelligence. 133 00:12:39,689 --> 00:12:43,948 Therefore I was quoting that, 134 00:12:43,949 --> 00:12:48,098 sva-vi-varāhoṣṭra-kharai saṁstuta puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [?]. 135 00:12:48,099 --> 00:12:55,108 This class of scientists and such, they are eulogized by small rascals. 136 00:12:55,109 --> 00:13:17,038 They are rascals, and small rascals… 137 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:22,879 That is actually happening. Just like your President Nixon. 138 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,339 How he was being given reception, crowd. 139 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:29,729 Hundreds and thousands of people used to come. 140 00:13:29,730 --> 00:13:36,609 And then again get him down, make him humiliated as far as possible. 141 00:13:36,610 --> 00:13:45,319 So this is a rascal, Nixon, and the person who elected him, they are rascals. 142 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,409 Therefore the Bhāgavata says, sva- vi-varāhoṣṭra-kharai saṁstutaḥ [?]. 143 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:55,199 Here is one big animal, and the small animals voting him. That’s all. 144 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:07,029 This is the society, animal society—the small animals praising the big animals. That’s all. 145 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:14,299 All of them are animals only. 146 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:17,349 DEVOTEE: The big animals also prey on the small animals. 147 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:20,769 Yes. Mutual praising society. That’s all. 148 00:14:20,770 --> 00:14:22,669 “I praise you and you praise me. 149 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:27,149 I say you are very big; you say I am very big.” That’s all. 150 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:29,169 And compromise. 151 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:40,433 “I don’t criticize you; you don’t criticize me.” That’s all [break] 152 00:14:40,434 --> 00:14:40,435 Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com