0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,538 MW LA 1975-06-26 Hypnotized by Television or by Krishna 1 00:00:15,539 --> 00:00:18,489 ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation 2 00:00:18,490 --> 00:00:23,696 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,697 --> 00:00:47,624 recorded on the 26th of June, 1975, in Los Angeles, California. 4 00:00:47,625 --> 00:00:49,606 PRABHUPĀDA: So what is that science of God? 5 00:00:49,607 --> 00:00:50,575 Who knows it? 6 00:00:50,576 --> 00:00:54,310 JAYADVAITA: You do. 7 00:00:54,311 --> 00:00:56,188 Yes, I know. 8 00:00:56,189 --> 00:00:59,987 BAHULĀŚVA: Jaya! [break] 9 00:00:59,988 --> 00:01:06,236 …of God means first of all we must know who is God. 10 00:01:06,237 --> 00:01:08,790 This is the first. 11 00:01:08,791 --> 00:01:15,925 Then, what is this material world, 12 00:01:15,926 --> 00:01:23,203 and what is my relationship with this material world and God. 13 00:01:23,204 --> 00:01:28,296 This is science of God. [break] 14 00:01:28,297 --> 00:01:31,749 [indistinct] …wanted the colleges named the Vedic Theological College? 15 00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:34,741 Yes. 16 00:01:34,742 --> 00:01:44,088 The college teachers and students must be brāhmaṇa, not śūdras. 17 00:01:44,089 --> 00:01:47,743 Śūdras will not be able to understand the science of God. 18 00:01:47,744 --> 00:01:52,779 What was the… Now, Dr… What is his name? 19 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:54,943 - Last night? - Yes. - Dr. Mize. 20 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:58,052 - Dr. Mize? - Mize. 21 00:01:58,053 --> 00:02:02,762 - So, what does he say? - What did he say about the lust? 22 00:02:02,763 --> 00:02:05,424 He said that he could give up the greed, 23 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:09,157 but the lust was a very hard one for him to give up. 24 00:02:09,158 --> 00:02:09,846 Yes. 25 00:02:09,847 --> 00:02:11,609 DHARMADHYAKSA: He wanted to become more unselfish, 26 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:14,200 but he didn’t know how he could give up lust. 27 00:02:14,201 --> 00:02:15,742 No, that can be done. 28 00:02:15,743 --> 00:02:23,357 If you increase your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, love for Kṛṣṇa, then you will forget this lust. 29 00:02:23,358 --> 00:02:24,395 DHARMADYAKSA: That’s what we told him, 30 00:02:24,396 --> 00:02:25,407 - that he must chant. - That is the only. 31 00:02:25,408 --> 00:02:26,198 That is the only. 32 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:29,856 There is no other second way. [break] 33 00:02:29,857 --> 00:02:36,960 …conquer over lust, one has to take shelter of Madana-mohana. 34 00:02:36,961 --> 00:02:43,252 Madana means lust, Cupid, and Kṛṣṇa is Madana-mohana. 35 00:02:43,253 --> 00:02:47,792 He can enchant the Cupid also. [break] 36 00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:50,901 …Ṭhākura, young man. 37 00:02:50,902 --> 00:02:55,512 At dead of night the prostitute came. 38 00:02:55,513 --> 00:02:59,026 How he restrained? 39 00:02:59,027 --> 00:03:00,127 That is… 40 00:03:00,128 --> 00:03:03,138 One who has realized Madana-mohana, 41 00:03:03,139 --> 00:03:08,957 for him these things are nothing, no enchantment. [break] 42 00:03:08,958 --> 00:03:16,690 …impressed with Your Divine Grace’s energy and ability to work so much. 43 00:03:16,691 --> 00:03:19,943 Why you do not say, “This is spiritual energy”? 44 00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:22,100 Yes. [splice] 45 00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:26,196 So much sex, everything you watch. 46 00:03:26,197 --> 00:03:29,794 - And not only that, horrible scene. - Yes. 47 00:03:29,795 --> 00:03:33,513 Killing and like that. 48 00:03:33,514 --> 00:03:34,535 Sit hypnotized. 49 00:03:34,536 --> 00:03:36,766 They say we are becoming hypnotized by chanting, 50 00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:41,956 but actually they are hypnotized by this TV set. 51 00:03:41,957 --> 00:03:44,126 No, no, that I have already explained. 52 00:03:44,127 --> 00:03:46,630 We must be hypnotized. 53 00:03:46,631 --> 00:03:50,053 If we do not become hypnotized by Kṛṣṇa, 54 00:03:50,054 --> 00:04:02,145 then we must be hypnotized by this television and other. [splice] 55 00:04:02,146 --> 00:04:05,723 - HARIKEŚA: Is it proper to say that your purports are getting better? - Huh? 56 00:04:05,724 --> 00:04:10,034 Is it proper to say that your purports are getting better every day? 57 00:04:10,035 --> 00:04:13,403 I do not know. 58 00:04:13,404 --> 00:04:19,287 - You think so? - Yes. [break] 59 00:04:19,288 --> 00:04:24,867 …Dr. Kapoor has commented, “The purport is superb.” 60 00:04:24,868 --> 00:04:30,214 - BRAHMĀNANDA: Yes. - Yes. [splice] 61 00:04:30,215 --> 00:04:34,562 From these waves how these birds catches… 62 00:04:34,563 --> 00:04:40,847 - RĀDHĀ−VALLABHA: Fish. - Fish. 63 00:04:40,848 --> 00:04:44,672 You cannot fish, but they know how to. 64 00:04:44,673 --> 00:04:50,058 They can see and immediately catch, while in the water. [break] 65 00:04:50,059 --> 00:04:53,289 - JAYATĪRTHA: …the facility that they need for survival. - Yes. 66 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:54,425 That is the… 67 00:04:54,426 --> 00:04:57,444 jīvo jīvasya jīvanam [SB 1.13.47] 68 00:04:57,445 --> 00:05:03,574 - They do not know industry. - No. 69 00:05:03,575 --> 00:05:09,221 So they have to catch their eatables from the nature. 70 00:05:09,222 --> 00:05:10,811 The scientists say that, 71 00:05:10,812 --> 00:05:15,367 everything has developed due to biological, the need for biological survival. 72 00:05:15,368 --> 00:05:17,246 Yes. [break] 73 00:05:17,247 --> 00:05:22,689 [indistinct] …is of the body, not of the soul. 74 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,952 That they do not know. [break] 75 00:05:25,953 --> 00:05:28,414 …because a certain animal needs a certain type of facility; 76 00:05:28,415 --> 00:05:31,895 like long claws or big teeth or a certain amount of legs, 77 00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:35,877 they say that automatically in the course of time these things develop. 78 00:05:35,878 --> 00:05:36,628 Yes. 79 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:38,259 That we know also. 80 00:05:38,260 --> 00:05:39,953 They don’t say that it has anything to do with God. 81 00:05:39,954 --> 00:05:45,401 - Huh? - They simply say… - That is their nonsense rascaldom. 82 00:05:45,402 --> 00:05:49,657 Who is arranging this? 83 00:05:49,658 --> 00:05:52,691 You cannot do it. 84 00:05:52,692 --> 00:05:54,839 You cannot do it. 85 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,633 So somebody has arranged like that. 86 00:05:57,634 --> 00:05:59,966 It is going on. 87 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:02,355 Somebody has done; you have not done; 88 00:06:02,356 --> 00:06:05,377 neither you have power to do it. 89 00:06:05,378 --> 00:06:09,293 So that somebody is God. 90 00:06:09,294 --> 00:06:11,873 The same scientist his name was Lamarck— 91 00:06:11,874 --> 00:06:15,750 he said that the giraffes have long necks because 92 00:06:15,751 --> 00:06:19,501 after many, many years of trying to eat leaves from trees their necks got longer. 93 00:06:19,502 --> 00:06:19,856 Huh? 94 00:06:19,857 --> 00:06:21,009 What is that? 95 00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:27,167 He says the giraffes with the long necks in Africa, they, their necks… 96 00:06:27,168 --> 00:06:29,105 Formerly their necks were very short, 97 00:06:29,106 --> 00:06:32,445 but they were always trying to eat the leaves on the top of the tree, 98 00:06:32,446 --> 00:06:34,847 so by doing this for many, many years, 99 00:06:34,848 --> 00:06:40,027 - their necks became longer, longer, longer. - That is Darwin’s theory. - Yes. [break] 100 00:06:40,028 --> 00:06:44,737 Gradually, they’ll become pigeons. 101 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,745 Because they want sex life so much, 102 00:06:46,746 --> 00:06:49,581 so more and more they’ll develop the bodies of pigeons. 103 00:06:49,582 --> 00:06:52,812 Now the thing is who are they? 104 00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:58,128 - That they do not know. - Hmm. 105 00:06:58,129 --> 00:07:02,276 They say “They are,” but who are “they?” 106 00:07:02,277 --> 00:07:04,228 That they do not know. [break] 107 00:07:04,229 --> 00:07:06,142 [indistinct] …Kṛṣṇa Book and Bhagavad-gītā both, 108 00:07:06,143 --> 00:07:09,557 you explain, there are five states of consciousness, 109 00:07:09,558 --> 00:07:13,810 beginning with annamaya, manomaya, pranamaya, like that. 110 00:07:13,811 --> 00:07:17,386 Do these states of consciousness manifest in different species of life? 111 00:07:17,387 --> 00:07:18,386 Yes. 112 00:07:18,387 --> 00:07:19,486 Yes? 113 00:07:19,487 --> 00:07:23,452 So like little, like plants for example, they would be in the 114 00:07:23,453 --> 00:07:25,332 annamāyā state of consciousness? 115 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:26,884 - Yes. - Simply eating? 116 00:07:26,885 --> 00:07:31,139 Yes. [break] 117 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:37,995 …in Vṛndāvana, as they will be advertised, many people will come, more people, 118 00:07:37,996 --> 00:07:43,419 because they will come rather surprisingly, “How the Europeans, 119 00:07:43,420 --> 00:07:48,599 Americans have become devotee and they have their temple?” 120 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,575 That will be attractive for them. [break] 121 00:07:53,576 --> 00:07:57,635 - Should they advertise like…? - That is automatically being advertised. - Oh. 122 00:07:57,636 --> 00:08:03,477 Just like our Māyāpur mandir is known as Sahib mandir. 123 00:08:03,478 --> 00:08:06,712 Sahib means European. [break] 124 00:08:06,713 --> 00:08:08,196 It is said that… 125 00:08:08,197 --> 00:08:09,587 Where is Nitāi? 126 00:08:09,588 --> 00:08:14,659 - Nitāi? - That visitors coming in full bus? 127 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:16,291 - NITĀI: Yes, yes. - Huh? 128 00:08:16,292 --> 00:08:20,919 Yes, I have seen in the evenings many buses will come and park there. 129 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,155 Everyone will get out and go see the Deities, 130 00:08:23,156 --> 00:08:26,055 take prasādam, take books. 131 00:08:26,056 --> 00:08:28,515 So gradually it is becoming… 132 00:08:28,516 --> 00:08:33,056 [splice] From a… From Vṛndāvana. 133 00:08:33,057 --> 00:08:37,117 Tour… Many pilgrims come, 134 00:08:37,118 --> 00:08:41,459 groups of pilgrims who are staying some place in Vṛndāvana, 135 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:43,432 and then in the evening they will all get in their bus 136 00:08:43,433 --> 00:08:47,761 and come out and see our temple. 137 00:08:47,762 --> 00:08:50,000 - Pilgrims come from all over India? - And when they will go back to 138 00:08:50,001 --> 00:08:54,613 their villages, they will advertise, that “There is a European temple 139 00:08:54,614 --> 00:08:56,779 now in Vṛndāvana.” 140 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:59,887 And they will come. 141 00:08:59,888 --> 00:09:05,378 And even the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, they are saying, that is the best temple in… 142 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:06,939 - Huh? Is it not? - Yes. 143 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:07,621 That is… 144 00:09:07,622 --> 00:09:10,216 But actually that is the fact. 145 00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:12,513 That is the fact. 146 00:09:12,514 --> 00:09:14,615 Our temple is the best. 147 00:09:14,616 --> 00:09:18,808 Jaya! 148 00:09:18,809 --> 00:09:22,911 Now you make a best college. 149 00:09:22,912 --> 00:09:25,812 - Jaya! - Yes. 150 00:09:25,813 --> 00:09:31,836 Vedic Theological College, affiliated to the California University. 151 00:09:31,837 --> 00:09:35,962 Then it will be successful. 152 00:09:35,963 --> 00:09:39,166 - People are always anxious to see what we are going to do next. - Huh? 153 00:09:39,167 --> 00:09:42,567 - People are always anxious to see what we are going to do next. - Yes. 154 00:09:42,568 --> 00:09:44,475 Even in Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple; they were asking 155 00:09:44,476 --> 00:09:47,338 when is our Vṛndāvana temple going to be opened. 156 00:09:47,339 --> 00:09:50,946 Oh. [break] 157 00:09:50,947 --> 00:09:53,738 …police are also becoming very favorable. 158 00:09:53,739 --> 00:10:00,044 Even when they arrest us, actually they want to hear Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 159 00:10:00,045 --> 00:10:01,818 When they arrest us, while they are writing the tickets, 160 00:10:01,819 --> 00:10:05,662 - we read to them out of the books. - Just like, just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu, 161 00:10:05,663 --> 00:10:10,137 when He was child, His mother’s friend would tease Him, 162 00:10:10,138 --> 00:10:14,097 so that He may cry, and then they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, 163 00:10:14,098 --> 00:10:15,713 and He will stop. 164 00:10:15,714 --> 00:10:20,599 To see that by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa He is pacified. 165 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,563 To see this fun, they would tease Him first of all, 166 00:10:23,564 --> 00:10:27,287 and He would cry, and then they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, 167 00:10:27,288 --> 00:10:29,859 and they will… 168 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:32,956 [break] In New Jersey one time we were driving very fast 169 00:10:32,957 --> 00:10:38,089 to try and meet you at the airport, and a police officer pulled us over 170 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:38,996 and he was very angry. 171 00:10:38,997 --> 00:10:41,078 We were driving very fast. 172 00:10:41,079 --> 00:10:45,472 - And he said… - No, you should not drive fast. 173 00:10:45,473 --> 00:10:48,203 - No, no, this is not good. - We had to pick you up at the airport, 174 00:10:48,204 --> 00:10:51,798 - Prabhupāda, we were late. - That’s all right, but fast, 175 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:56,047 drive very fast, is risky. 176 00:10:56,048 --> 00:10:59,154 So this, this police officer he pulled us over; he was very angry. 177 00:10:59,155 --> 00:11:01,934 He said, “Let us see your license and registration.” 178 00:11:01,935 --> 00:11:02,574 We gave it to him, 179 00:11:02,575 --> 00:11:05,386 and it said International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness on the registration. 180 00:11:05,387 --> 00:11:08,286 He said, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa.” 181 00:11:08,287 --> 00:11:11,156 And he asked us some questions about the philosophy, and he listened very carefully, 182 00:11:11,157 --> 00:11:20,268 and then he said, “I cannot give people like you a ticket.” [break] 183 00:11:20,269 --> 00:11:23,508 …they are pleased, but don’t take undue advantage. 184 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:25,658 - Jaya. - Yes. [splice] 185 00:11:25,659 --> 00:11:30,018 When they arrest us we read to them out of Kṛṣṇa Book, the pastimes, 186 00:11:30,019 --> 00:11:31,718 and they listen the whole time. 187 00:11:31,719 --> 00:11:35,128 And sometimes for an hour and a half, two hours, they’ll listen to us while we preach. 188 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:39,242 Then they let us go. 189 00:11:39,243 --> 00:11:40,412 Sometimes we are about to make 190 00:11:40,413 --> 00:11:43,089 an announcement to collect donations, and the police officer 191 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:46,342 will be standing there like this, like he doesn’t want us to do it. 192 00:11:46,343 --> 00:11:49,082 And we go up to him and say, “If you don’t look, 193 00:11:49,083 --> 00:11:51,112 we’ll go ahead and collect and pass out magazines,” 194 00:11:51,113 --> 00:11:56,602 - He will say, “All right.” - “Please close your eyes. 195 00:11:56,603 --> 00:12:08,818 Let us do something.” 196 00:12:08,819 --> 00:12:08,820 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Dr. Douglas Maki