0
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,538
MW LA 1975-06-26 Hypnotized by Television or by Krishna
1
00:00:15,539 --> 00:00:18,489
ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
2
00:00:18,490 --> 00:00:23,696
with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
3
00:00:23,697 --> 00:00:47,624
recorded on the 26th of June,
1975, in Los Angeles, California.
4
00:00:47,625 --> 00:00:49,606
PRABHUPĀDA: So what
is that science of God?
5
00:00:49,607 --> 00:00:50,575
Who knows it?
6
00:00:50,576 --> 00:00:54,310
JAYADVAITA: You do.
7
00:00:54,311 --> 00:00:56,188
Yes, I know.
8
00:00:56,189 --> 00:00:59,987
BAHULĀŚVA: Jaya! [break]
9
00:00:59,988 --> 00:01:06,236
…of God means first of all
we must know who is God.
10
00:01:06,237 --> 00:01:08,790
This is the first.
11
00:01:08,791 --> 00:01:15,925
Then, what is this material world,
12
00:01:15,926 --> 00:01:23,203
and what is my relationship with
this material world and God.
13
00:01:23,204 --> 00:01:28,296
This is science of God. [break]
14
00:01:28,297 --> 00:01:31,749
[indistinct] …wanted the colleges
named the Vedic Theological College?
15
00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:34,741
Yes.
16
00:01:34,742 --> 00:01:44,088
The college teachers and students
must be brāhmaṇa, not śūdras.
17
00:01:44,089 --> 00:01:47,743
Śūdras will not be able to
understand the science of God.
18
00:01:47,744 --> 00:01:52,779
What was the… Now,
Dr… What is his name?
19
00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:54,943
- Last night?
- Yes.
- Dr. Mize.
20
00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:58,052
- Dr. Mize?
- Mize.
21
00:01:58,053 --> 00:02:02,762
- So, what does he say?
- What did he say about the lust?
22
00:02:02,763 --> 00:02:05,424
He said that he could
give up the greed,
23
00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:09,157
but the lust was a very hard
one for him to give up.
24
00:02:09,158 --> 00:02:09,846
Yes.
25
00:02:09,847 --> 00:02:11,609
DHARMADHYAKSA: He wanted
to become more unselfish,
26
00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:14,200
but he didn’t know how
he could give up lust.
27
00:02:14,201 --> 00:02:15,742
No, that can be done.
28
00:02:15,743 --> 00:02:23,357
If you increase your Kṛṣṇa consciousness,
love for Kṛṣṇa, then you will forget this lust.
29
00:02:23,358 --> 00:02:24,395
DHARMADYAKSA:
That’s what we told him,
30
00:02:24,396 --> 00:02:25,407
- that he must chant.
- That is the only.
31
00:02:25,408 --> 00:02:26,198
That is the only.
32
00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:29,856
There is no other
second way. [break]
33
00:02:29,857 --> 00:02:36,960
…conquer over lust, one has to
take shelter of Madana-mohana.
34
00:02:36,961 --> 00:02:43,252
Madana means lust, Cupid,
and Kṛṣṇa is Madana-mohana.
35
00:02:43,253 --> 00:02:47,792
He can enchant the
Cupid also. [break]
36
00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:50,901
…Ṭhākura, young man.
37
00:02:50,902 --> 00:02:55,512
At dead of night
the prostitute came.
38
00:02:55,513 --> 00:02:59,026
How he restrained?
39
00:02:59,027 --> 00:03:00,127
That is…
40
00:03:00,128 --> 00:03:03,138
One who has realized
Madana-mohana,
41
00:03:03,139 --> 00:03:08,957
for him these things are nothing,
no enchantment. [break]
42
00:03:08,958 --> 00:03:16,690
…impressed with Your Divine Grace’s
energy and ability to work so much.
43
00:03:16,691 --> 00:03:19,943
Why you do not say,
“This is spiritual energy”?
44
00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:22,100
Yes. [splice]
45
00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:26,196
So much sex,
everything you watch.
46
00:03:26,197 --> 00:03:29,794
- And not only that, horrible scene.
- Yes.
47
00:03:29,795 --> 00:03:33,513
Killing and like that.
48
00:03:33,514 --> 00:03:34,535
Sit hypnotized.
49
00:03:34,536 --> 00:03:36,766
They say we are becoming
hypnotized by chanting,
50
00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:41,956
but actually they are
hypnotized by this TV set.
51
00:03:41,957 --> 00:03:44,126
No, no, that I have
already explained.
52
00:03:44,127 --> 00:03:46,630
We must be hypnotized.
53
00:03:46,631 --> 00:03:50,053
If we do not become
hypnotized by Kṛṣṇa,
54
00:03:50,054 --> 00:04:02,145
then we must be hypnotized by
this television and other. [splice]
55
00:04:02,146 --> 00:04:05,723
- HARIKEŚA: Is it proper to say that
your purports are getting better?
- Huh?
56
00:04:05,724 --> 00:04:10,034
Is it proper to say that your purports
are getting better every day?
57
00:04:10,035 --> 00:04:13,403
I do not know.
58
00:04:13,404 --> 00:04:19,287
- You think so?
- Yes. [break]
59
00:04:19,288 --> 00:04:24,867
…Dr. Kapoor has commented,
“The purport is superb.”
60
00:04:24,868 --> 00:04:30,214
- BRAHMĀNANDA: Yes.
- Yes. [splice]
61
00:04:30,215 --> 00:04:34,562
From these waves how
these birds catches…
62
00:04:34,563 --> 00:04:40,847
- RĀDHĀ−VALLABHA: Fish.
- Fish.
63
00:04:40,848 --> 00:04:44,672
You cannot fish, but
they know how to.
64
00:04:44,673 --> 00:04:50,058
They can see and immediately
catch, while in the water. [break]
65
00:04:50,059 --> 00:04:53,289
- JAYATĪRTHA: …the facility
that they need for survival.
- Yes.
66
00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:54,425
That is the…
67
00:04:54,426 --> 00:04:57,444
jīvo jīvasya jīvanam
[SB 1.13.47]
68
00:04:57,445 --> 00:05:03,574
- They do not know industry.
- No.
69
00:05:03,575 --> 00:05:09,221
So they have to catch their
eatables from the nature.
70
00:05:09,222 --> 00:05:10,811
The scientists say that,
71
00:05:10,812 --> 00:05:15,367
everything has developed due to
biological, the need for biological survival.
72
00:05:15,368 --> 00:05:17,246
Yes. [break]
73
00:05:17,247 --> 00:05:22,689
[indistinct] …is of the
body, not of the soul.
74
00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,952
That they do not know. [break]
75
00:05:25,953 --> 00:05:28,414
…because a certain animal
needs a certain type of facility;
76
00:05:28,415 --> 00:05:31,895
like long claws or big teeth
or a certain amount of legs,
77
00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:35,877
they say that automatically in the
course of time these things develop.
78
00:05:35,878 --> 00:05:36,628
Yes.
79
00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:38,259
That we know also.
80
00:05:38,260 --> 00:05:39,953
They don’t say that it has
anything to do with God.
81
00:05:39,954 --> 00:05:45,401
- Huh?
- They simply say…
- That is their nonsense rascaldom.
82
00:05:45,402 --> 00:05:49,657
Who is arranging this?
83
00:05:49,658 --> 00:05:52,691
You cannot do it.
84
00:05:52,692 --> 00:05:54,839
You cannot do it.
85
00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,633
So somebody has
arranged like that.
86
00:05:57,634 --> 00:05:59,966
It is going on.
87
00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:02,355
Somebody has done;
you have not done;
88
00:06:02,356 --> 00:06:05,377
neither you have power to do it.
89
00:06:05,378 --> 00:06:09,293
So that somebody is God.
90
00:06:09,294 --> 00:06:11,873
The same scientist his
name was Lamarck—
91
00:06:11,874 --> 00:06:15,750
he said that the giraffes
have long necks because
92
00:06:15,751 --> 00:06:19,501
after many, many years of trying to eat
leaves from trees their necks got longer.
93
00:06:19,502 --> 00:06:19,856
Huh?
94
00:06:19,857 --> 00:06:21,009
What is that?
95
00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:27,167
He says the giraffes with the long
necks in Africa, they, their necks…
96
00:06:27,168 --> 00:06:29,105
Formerly their necks
were very short,
97
00:06:29,106 --> 00:06:32,445
but they were always trying to eat
the leaves on the top of the tree,
98
00:06:32,446 --> 00:06:34,847
so by doing this for
many, many years,
99
00:06:34,848 --> 00:06:40,027
- their necks became longer, longer, longer.
- That is Darwin’s theory.
- Yes. [break]
100
00:06:40,028 --> 00:06:44,737
Gradually, they’ll become pigeons.
101
00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,745
Because they want
sex life so much,
102
00:06:46,746 --> 00:06:49,581
so more and more they’ll
develop the bodies of pigeons.
103
00:06:49,582 --> 00:06:52,812
Now the thing is who are they?
104
00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:58,128
- That they do not know.
- Hmm.
105
00:06:58,129 --> 00:07:02,276
They say “They are,”
but who are “they?”
106
00:07:02,277 --> 00:07:04,228
That they do not know. [break]
107
00:07:04,229 --> 00:07:06,142
[indistinct] …Kṛṣṇa Book
and Bhagavad-gītā both,
108
00:07:06,143 --> 00:07:09,557
you explain, there are five
states of consciousness,
109
00:07:09,558 --> 00:07:13,810
beginning with annamaya,
manomaya, pranamaya, like that.
110
00:07:13,811 --> 00:07:17,386
Do these states of consciousness
manifest in different species of life?
111
00:07:17,387 --> 00:07:18,386
Yes.
112
00:07:18,387 --> 00:07:19,486
Yes?
113
00:07:19,487 --> 00:07:23,452
So like little, like plants for
example, they would be in the
114
00:07:23,453 --> 00:07:25,332
annamāyā state of consciousness?
115
00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:26,884
- Yes.
- Simply eating?
116
00:07:26,885 --> 00:07:31,139
Yes. [break]
117
00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:37,995
…in Vṛndāvana, as they will be advertised,
many people will come, more people,
118
00:07:37,996 --> 00:07:43,419
because they will come rather
surprisingly, “How the Europeans,
119
00:07:43,420 --> 00:07:48,599
Americans have become devotee
and they have their temple?”
120
00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,575
That will be attractive
for them. [break]
121
00:07:53,576 --> 00:07:57,635
- Should they advertise like…?
- That is automatically being advertised.
- Oh.
122
00:07:57,636 --> 00:08:03,477
Just like our Māyāpur mandir
is known as Sahib mandir.
123
00:08:03,478 --> 00:08:06,712
Sahib means European. [break]
124
00:08:06,713 --> 00:08:08,196
It is said that…
125
00:08:08,197 --> 00:08:09,587
Where is Nitāi?
126
00:08:09,588 --> 00:08:14,659
- Nitāi?
- That visitors coming in full bus?
127
00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:16,291
- NITĀI: Yes, yes.
- Huh?
128
00:08:16,292 --> 00:08:20,919
Yes, I have seen in the evenings many
buses will come and park there.
129
00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,155
Everyone will get out
and go see the Deities,
130
00:08:23,156 --> 00:08:26,055
take prasādam, take books.
131
00:08:26,056 --> 00:08:28,515
So gradually it is becoming…
132
00:08:28,516 --> 00:08:33,056
[splice] From a… From Vṛndāvana.
133
00:08:33,057 --> 00:08:37,117
Tour… Many pilgrims come,
134
00:08:37,118 --> 00:08:41,459
groups of pilgrims who are
staying some place in Vṛndāvana,
135
00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:43,432
and then in the evening
they will all get in their bus
136
00:08:43,433 --> 00:08:47,761
and come out and see our temple.
137
00:08:47,762 --> 00:08:50,000
- Pilgrims come from all over India?
- And when they will go back to
138
00:08:50,001 --> 00:08:54,613
their villages, they will advertise,
that “There is a European temple
139
00:08:54,614 --> 00:08:56,779
now in Vṛndāvana.”
140
00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:59,887
And they will come.
141
00:08:59,888 --> 00:09:05,378
And even the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana,
they are saying, that is the best temple in…
142
00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:06,939
- Huh? Is it not?
- Yes.
143
00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:07,621
That is…
144
00:09:07,622 --> 00:09:10,216
But actually that is the fact.
145
00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:12,513
That is the fact.
146
00:09:12,514 --> 00:09:14,615
Our temple is the best.
147
00:09:14,616 --> 00:09:18,808
Jaya!
148
00:09:18,809 --> 00:09:22,911
Now you make a best college.
149
00:09:22,912 --> 00:09:25,812
- Jaya!
- Yes.
150
00:09:25,813 --> 00:09:31,836
Vedic Theological College, affiliated
to the California University.
151
00:09:31,837 --> 00:09:35,962
Then it will be successful.
152
00:09:35,963 --> 00:09:39,166
- People are always anxious to see
what we are going to do next.
- Huh?
153
00:09:39,167 --> 00:09:42,567
- People are always anxious to see
what we are going to do next.
- Yes.
154
00:09:42,568 --> 00:09:44,475
Even in Rādhā-Ramaṇa
temple; they were asking
155
00:09:44,476 --> 00:09:47,338
when is our Vṛndāvana
temple going to be opened.
156
00:09:47,339 --> 00:09:50,946
Oh. [break]
157
00:09:50,947 --> 00:09:53,738
…police are also
becoming very favorable.
158
00:09:53,739 --> 00:10:00,044
Even when they arrest us, actually they
want to hear Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
159
00:10:00,045 --> 00:10:01,818
When they arrest us, while
they are writing the tickets,
160
00:10:01,819 --> 00:10:05,662
- we read to them out of the books.
- Just like, just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu,
161
00:10:05,663 --> 00:10:10,137
when He was child, His mother’s
friend would tease Him,
162
00:10:10,138 --> 00:10:14,097
so that He may cry, and then
they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,
163
00:10:14,098 --> 00:10:15,713
and He will stop.
164
00:10:15,714 --> 00:10:20,599
To see that by chanting
Hare Kṛṣṇa He is pacified.
165
00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,563
To see this fun, they would
tease Him first of all,
166
00:10:23,564 --> 00:10:27,287
and He would cry, and then
they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,
167
00:10:27,288 --> 00:10:29,859
and they will…
168
00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:32,956
[break] In New Jersey one
time we were driving very fast
169
00:10:32,957 --> 00:10:38,089
to try and meet you at the airport,
and a police officer pulled us over
170
00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:38,996
and he was very angry.
171
00:10:38,997 --> 00:10:41,078
We were driving very fast.
172
00:10:41,079 --> 00:10:45,472
- And he said…
- No, you should not drive fast.
173
00:10:45,473 --> 00:10:48,203
- No, no, this is not good.
- We had to pick you up at the airport,
174
00:10:48,204 --> 00:10:51,798
- Prabhupāda, we were late.
- That’s all right, but fast,
175
00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:56,047
drive very fast, is risky.
176
00:10:56,048 --> 00:10:59,154
So this, this police officer he
pulled us over; he was very angry.
177
00:10:59,155 --> 00:11:01,934
He said, “Let us see your
license and registration.”
178
00:11:01,935 --> 00:11:02,574
We gave it to him,
179
00:11:02,575 --> 00:11:05,386
and it said International Society for
Kṛṣṇa Consciousness on the registration.
180
00:11:05,387 --> 00:11:08,286
He said, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa.”
181
00:11:08,287 --> 00:11:11,156
And he asked us some questions about the
philosophy, and he listened very carefully,
182
00:11:11,157 --> 00:11:20,268
and then he said, “I cannot give
people like you a ticket.” [break]
183
00:11:20,269 --> 00:11:23,508
…they are pleased, but don’t
take undue advantage.
184
00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:25,658
- Jaya.
- Yes. [splice]
185
00:11:25,659 --> 00:11:30,018
When they arrest us we read to them
out of Kṛṣṇa Book, the pastimes,
186
00:11:30,019 --> 00:11:31,718
and they listen the whole time.
187
00:11:31,719 --> 00:11:35,128
And sometimes for an hour and a half, two
hours, they’ll listen to us while we preach.
188
00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:39,242
Then they let us go.
189
00:11:39,243 --> 00:11:40,412
Sometimes we are about to make
190
00:11:40,413 --> 00:11:43,089
an announcement to collect
donations, and the police officer
191
00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:46,342
will be standing there like this,
like he doesn’t want us to do it.
192
00:11:46,343 --> 00:11:49,082
And we go up to him and
say, “If you don’t look,
193
00:11:49,083 --> 00:11:51,112
we’ll go ahead and collect
and pass out magazines,”
194
00:11:51,113 --> 00:11:56,602
- He will say, “All right.”
- “Please close your eyes.
195
00:11:56,603 --> 00:12:08,818
Let us do something.”
196
00:12:08,819 --> 00:12:08,820
Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com
Sponsored by Dr. Douglas Maki