MW LA 1975-06-26 Hypnotized by Television or by Krishna
ANNOUNCER: The following is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 26th of June, 1975, in Los Angeles, California.
PRABHUPĀDA: So what is that science of God?
Who knows it?
JAYADVAITA: You do.
Yes, I know.
BAHULĀŚVA: Jaya! [break]
…of God means first of all we must know who is God.
This is the first.
Then, what is this material world,
and what is my relationship with this material world and God.
This is science of God. [break]
[indistinct] …wanted the colleges named the Vedic Theological College?
Yes.
The college teachers and students must be brāhmaṇa, not śūdras.
Śūdras will not be able to understand the science of God.
What was the… Now, Dr… What is his name?
- Last night? - Yes. - Dr. Mize.
- Dr. Mize? - Mize.
- So, what does he say? - What did he say about the lust?
He said that he could give up the greed,
but the lust was a very hard one for him to give up.
Yes.
DHARMADHYAKSA: He wanted to become more unselfish,
but he didn’t know how he could give up lust.
No, that can be done.
If you increase your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, love for Kṛṣṇa, then you will forget this lust.
DHARMADYAKSA: That’s what we told him,
- that he must chant. - That is the only.
That is the only.
There is no other second way. [break]
…conquer over lust, one has to take shelter of Madana-mohana.
Madana means lust, Cupid, and Kṛṣṇa is Madana-mohana.
He can enchant the Cupid also. [break]
…Ṭhākura, young man.
At dead of night the prostitute came.
How he restrained?
That is…
One who has realized Madana-mohana,
for him these things are nothing, no enchantment. [break]
…impressed with Your Divine Grace’s energy and ability to work so much.
Why you do not say, “This is spiritual energy”?
Yes. [splice]
So much sex, everything you watch.
- And not only that, horrible scene. - Yes.
Killing and like that.
Sit hypnotized.
They say we are becoming hypnotized by chanting,
but actually they are hypnotized by this TV set.
No, no, that I have already explained.
We must be hypnotized.
If we do not become hypnotized by Kṛṣṇa,
then we must be hypnotized by this television and other. [splice]
- HARIKEŚA: Is it proper to say that your purports are getting better? - Huh?
Is it proper to say that your purports are getting better every day?
I do not know.
- You think so? - Yes. [break]
…Dr. Kapoor has commented, “The purport is superb.”
- BRAHMĀNANDA: Yes. - Yes. [splice]
From these waves how these birds catches…
- RĀDHĀ−VALLABHA: Fish. - Fish.
You cannot fish, but they know how to.
They can see and immediately catch, while in the water. [break]
- JAYATĪRTHA: …the facility that they need for survival. - Yes.
That is the…
jīvo jīvasya jīvanam [SB 1.13.47]
- They do not know industry. - No.
So they have to catch their eatables from the nature.
The scientists say that,
everything has developed due to biological, the need for biological survival.
Yes. [break]
[indistinct] …is of the body, not of the soul.
That they do not know. [break]
…because a certain animal needs a certain type of facility;
like long claws or big teeth or a certain amount of legs,
they say that automatically in the course of time these things develop.
Yes.
That we know also.
They don’t say that it has anything to do with God.
- Huh? - They simply say… - That is their nonsense rascaldom.
Who is arranging this?
You cannot do it.
So somebody has arranged like that.
It is going on.
Somebody has done; you have not done;
neither you have power to do it.
So that somebody is God.
The same scientist his name was Lamarck—
he said that the giraffes have long necks because
after many, many years of trying to eat leaves from trees their necks got longer.
Huh?
What is that?
He says the giraffes with the long necks in Africa, they, their necks…
Formerly their necks were very short,
but they were always trying to eat the leaves on the top of the tree,
so by doing this for many, many years,
- their necks became longer, longer, longer. - That is Darwin’s theory. - Yes. [break]
Gradually, they’ll become pigeons.
Because they want sex life so much,
so more and more they’ll develop the bodies of pigeons.
Now the thing is who are they?
- That they do not know. - Hmm.
They say “They are,” but who are “they?”
That they do not know. [break]
[indistinct] …Kṛṣṇa Book and Bhagavad-gītā both,
you explain, there are five states of consciousness,
beginning with annamaya, manomaya, pranamaya, like that.
Do these states of consciousness manifest in different species of life?
Yes.
Yes?
So like little, like plants for example, they would be in the
annamāyā state of consciousness?
- Yes. - Simply eating?
Yes. [break]
…in Vṛndāvana, as they will be advertised, many people will come, more people,
because they will come rather surprisingly, “How the Europeans,
Americans have become devotee and they have their temple?”
That will be attractive for them. [break]
- Should they advertise like…? - That is automatically being advertised. - Oh.
Just like our Māyāpur mandir is known as Sahib mandir.
Sahib means European. [break]
It is said that…
Where is Nitāi?
- Nitāi? - That visitors coming in full bus?
- NITĀI: Yes, yes. - Huh?
Yes, I have seen in the evenings many buses will come and park there.
Everyone will get out and go see the Deities,
take prasādam, take books.
So gradually it is becoming…
[splice] From a… From Vṛndāvana.
Tour… Many pilgrims come,
groups of pilgrims who are staying some place in Vṛndāvana,
and then in the evening they will all get in their bus
and come out and see our temple.
- Pilgrims come from all over India? - And when they will go back to
their villages, they will advertise, that “There is a European temple
now in Vṛndāvana.”
And they will come.
And even the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, they are saying, that is the best temple in…
- Huh? Is it not? - Yes.
That is…
But actually that is the fact.
That is the fact.
Our temple is the best.
Jaya!
Now you make a best college.
- Jaya! - Yes.
Vedic Theological College, affiliated to the California University.
Then it will be successful.
- People are always anxious to see what we are going to do next. - Huh?
- People are always anxious to see what we are going to do next. - Yes.
Even in Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple; they were asking
when is our Vṛndāvana temple going to be opened.
Oh. [break]
…police are also becoming very favorable.
Even when they arrest us, actually they want to hear Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
When they arrest us, while they are writing the tickets,
- we read to them out of the books. - Just like, just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu,
when He was child, His mother’s friend would tease Him,
so that He may cry, and then they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,
and He will stop.
To see that by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa He is pacified.
To see this fun, they would tease Him first of all,
and He would cry, and then they will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,
and they will…
[break] In New Jersey one time we were driving very fast
to try and meet you at the airport, and a police officer pulled us over
and he was very angry.
We were driving very fast.
- And he said… - No, you should not drive fast.
- No, no, this is not good. - We had to pick you up at the airport,
- Prabhupāda, we were late. - That’s all right, but fast,
drive very fast, is risky.
So this, this police officer he pulled us over; he was very angry.
He said, “Let us see your license and registration.”
We gave it to him,
and it said International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness on the registration.
He said, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa.”
And he asked us some questions about the philosophy, and he listened very carefully,
and then he said, “I cannot give people like you a ticket.” [break]
…they are pleased, but don’t take undue advantage.
- Jaya. - Yes. [splice]
When they arrest us we read to them out of Kṛṣṇa Book, the pastimes,
and they listen the whole time.
And sometimes for an hour and a half, two hours, they’ll listen to us while we preach.
Then they let us go.
Sometimes we are about to make
an announcement to collect donations, and the police officer
will be standing there like this, like he doesn’t want us to do it.
And we go up to him and say, “If you don’t look,
we’ll go ahead and collect and pass out magazines,”
- He will say, “All right.” - “Please close your eyes.
Let us do something.”
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