MW MAU 1975-10-04 The Modern Misunderstanding
ANNOUNCER: Next is a morning walk conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on October 4th, 1975, on the island of Mauritius. [splice]
PRABHUPĀDA: …own Christian priests,
they asked me that “Why Christianity is dwindling? What we have done?”
So I told them, “What you have not done?” [laughter]
CYAVANA: Yes.
PRABHUPĀDA: “You have violated from the very beginning the orders of Christ,
‘Thou shall not kill,’ and you are killing, only killing.
So what you have not done?”
DEVOTEE 1: They say that man has to dominate over the animals.
They should… PRABHUPĀDA: Therefore you should kill and eat them.
Very good reasoning.
“The father should dominate over children;
therefore the children should be killed and eaten up.”
So rascals, and they are professing religious leaders.
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Prabhupāda, if every moment we are killing
in breathing and walking and doing so many things,
and then it says, “Thou shalt not kill,”
so then hasn’t God given us an instruction which is impossible?
No. Conscientiously you should not.
But unconsciously, if you do, that is excused [break] …
na punar baddhyate[?]. Āhlādinī- śakti, it is pleasure potency.
So pleasure potency is not painful to Kṛṣṇa.
But it is painful.
It is painful to us, conditioned souls.
This Golden Moon [name of a bar?], everyone comes there for pleasure,
but he is becoming implicated in sinful activities.
Therefore it is not pleasure.
It will give him pain, so many aftereffects.
Sex life, even it is not illicit, still, it is painful, aftereffects.
You’ll have to take care of the children.
You have to bear children.
That is painful.
You have to pay to the hospital for delivery, then education,
then doctor’s bill—so many painful.
So this pleasure, sex pleasure, is followed by so many painful things.
Tāpa-karī.
The same pleasure potency is there in the living being in little quantity,
and as soon as they utilize it, it becomes painful.
And the same pleasure potency in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa’s dancing with gopīs,
that is not painful.
That is pleasing [break] …
man, if he takes nice foodstuff it is painful.
If a diseased man, if he takes… He becomes more sick. More sick.
Therefore this life is meant for tapasya, not to accept—voluntarily reject.
Then it is nice [break]
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: ...ments today are supporting
the most outrageous sinful activities.
Hm?
The governments today are supporting the most outrageous,
sinful activities.
So how is it possible to reform the general mass of people?
Do you mean to say the government is perfect?
No.
Then? They must be moved.
Government means, nowadays, all rascals.
They are elected by rascals and they are rascals.
That is the difficulty.
Everywhere you go, you will meet only rascals.
Manda.
The definition is given, manda.
Even in our camp there are so many rascals.
Just see the report.
Even they have come to be reformed, they are rascals.
They cannot give up their rascal habits.
Therefore it has been generalized, manda: “all bad.”
But only difference is that in our camp the bad’s are being reformed;
outside there is no reforming.
There is hope of their being good, but outside there is no hope.
That is the difference. Otherwise everyone is bad.
Without any discrimination you can say. Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo [SB 1.1.10].
Now, how the government will be good?
This is also bad.
Mahāprabhu’s name is Patita- pāvana; He is delivering all bad men.
In the Kali-yuga there is no good men at all—all bad.
Strong you will have to become to deal with all bad men [break]
The seaweeds are there even in the middle ocean.
Yes.
They call it Sargasso.
The call it the Sargasso Sea.
It floats in the center of the ocean, seaweed [break]
PRABHUPĀDA: …the fort? Just straight ahead, where the ship is there.
There are two ships there.
There. Yes. That’s where they come in.
This is not.
No, the next, where the white ship is. Very small.
Not so small.
They’ve had as many as thirty-five or forty, not all in the berths but in the harbor.
They bring everything in from overseas, and then they take out the sugar cane.
Oh.
Generally they come from Europe?
Everywhere, all over the world.
They trade with the whole world— America, Hong Kong, Japan [break]
PRABHUPĀDA: They are collecting fish?
These little clams they eat.
Inside the shell there’s a slug they eat, meat [break]
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: …translated now Caitanya-caritāmṛta.
Will you also maybe translate Caitanya-bhāgavata? [break]
…by, Lord Caitanya’s fame will spread all over the world.
Hm? As time goes by, Lord Caitanya’s fame will spread all over the world.
Hawaii Island is better than this island. Huh?
Is it not?
HARIKEŚA: It never becomes cold there. It never becomes cold.
No.
Here they suffer from the cyclone every year.
And every fifteen years it is treacherous.
Cyclone, typhoon is there in Japan also.
Yes.
Only thing, here there is Indian culture.
PRABHUPĀDA: What Indian culture?
They are killing cows [laughter] What is Indian culture?
Remnants.
Nothing.
Their Indian culture is that some of them speak Hindi, that’s all [laughter]
This is their Ind…
PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: [break] …last night that they’re starting a foundation,
Mahatma Gandhi Foundation, here,
to teach Indian culture, and he said, “Not just the Bhagavad-gītā, but Indian culture.”
You mentioned that we should take Indian culture directly from Bhagavad-gītā,
not from here, not little from here,
and little from there [break]
You give the example, Prabhupāda, that
to fight with a declared enemy is very easy,
but to fight with someone who is playing as a friend, although he is your enemy,
is more difficult.
Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com