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MW MAY 1976-03-16 What Is Next
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a
morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on March 16th,
1976, in Māyāpura, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …countries
they accept a new leader.
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PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: Yes.
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Do they not?
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Oh, yes.
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So before they became communist,
they had some leader or not?
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Yes, the Czar in Russia.
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Eh?
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The Czar was the leader in Russia.
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JAYATĪRTHA: And Chiang
Kai-shek in China.
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So why they changed their leader?
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GOPĀLA KṚṢṆA: There
was a revolution.
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MADHUDVIṢA: People
were unsatisfied. Eh?
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People were not satisfied
with the government.
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There was a revolution. No,
people were not satisfied…
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The principle, what
is the principle?
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To have better leader.
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Is it not?
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So if they get still better leader,
why they will not change?
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They would say it’s not the
leader but it’s the system.
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Whatever the system is
done by some leaders.
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Anything… Just like our, this
system we have introduced.
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I am the leader.
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Similarly, a leader is changed
for betterment of the situation.
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So if the communists and
those who have brain,
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if they find a better leader for
better situation, why they’ll not?
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And they want for revolution also.
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They are in favor of revolution.
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Their theory is that periodically
there must be revolution.
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That is their theory. I talked
with Professor Kotovsky.
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So why they will not accept another
revolution for further advancement?
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One of the main
problems I can see is
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to divorce our movement from
religious concept because…
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It is not the question
of religious concept.
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This is nonsense.
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You have to… Just
like when Kṛṣṇa says,
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Dehino ’smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ
yauvanaṁ jarā [Bg. 2.13].
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That is the beginning
of Bhagavad-gītā.
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So does it mean a religion?
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Then why these nonsense
take it as religion? It is a fact.
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How you can neglect the fact?
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Eh?
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Kaumāraṁ yauvanam
jara [Bg. 2.13].
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A baby becoming a boy, boy
becoming a young man, is it religion?
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Either Hindu or Muslim or Christian or
Buddha, everyone is becoming like that.
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Where is religion?
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Why do they take it as religion?
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SATSVARŪPA: It’s religion
because it’s not empirical fact.
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Eh?
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It’s not an empirical fact.
What is that empirical fact?
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That after you die, you
take another body.
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Apart from that, why, how
the baby is becoming a boy?
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This is a fact.
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How a baby is becoming a
child, a child is becoming a boy,
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a boy is becoming young man, a
young man is becoming middle aged?
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Does it mean… Is it a particular
type of religious system?
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Why this nonsense?
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What kind of intelligent
person they are?
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It is a fact.
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Now we come to the old age.
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So I have come to old age
body after so many stages.
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Then where is the next?
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The next is Tathā dehāntara [Bg.
2.13]. He’ll get another body.
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This is very common sense.
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They won’t accept that. Eh?
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That is means a rascal.
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Why should you not…? You
answer, then what is next?
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They will say he is finished.
No, how it can be finished?
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How it can be finished?
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If you have come stage by stage by
stage… It is finished to your eyes.
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Just like the sunshine is there.
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“In the evening there will be
no more sun; it is finished.”
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What is this nonsense?
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Is it finished? A rascal
may say it is finished.
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RŪPĀNUGA: Out of sight,
they say it is finished. Yes.
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So this thing you have
to convince them.
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Why should you allow
them to remain a rascal?
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Now the sun is rising.
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Does it mean all of a
sudden a sun is created?
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So these are the examples.
You have to preach like that.
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Simply believe your eyes?
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You believe also there
was no sun; now it is sun.
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That means all of a sudden
a sun became created.
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See the intelligent persons
and convince them.
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Yad yad ācārati śreṣṭhaḥ [Bg. 3.21].
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Pick up the best man.
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Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He
picked up the best men,
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Sanātana Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī.
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So His movement
became successful.
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Sanātana Gosvāmī was
not an ordinary man.
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Very educated, learned brāhmaṇa and
minister, Caitanya Mahāprabhu picked up.
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Similarly Rūpa Gosvāmī,
similarly Jīva Gosvāmī.
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Picked up means by His preaching
they became converted.
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So similarly pick up a person like
Sanātana Gosvāmī, intelligent,
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in position, and try
to convince him.
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Why he will not be convinced,
if he’s a human being?
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This is not religion.
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That I am breathing,
what is this breathing?
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Eh? What is the breathing?
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GURU−KṚPĀ: Air
going in and out. Yes.
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Now, when the
breathing is stopped,
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why don’t you manufacture some
machine that breathing will come again?
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Why you cannot do it?
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Everyone knows it is air.
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Put some machine within
and let there be breathing.
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Tell me why you cannot do it?
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MAHENDRA: They have some
machines like that, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
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Then you are another
rascal. Who is this rascal?
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They have some machines. And don’t spoil
time like that, “They have got a machine.”
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What is that machine?
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Machines are not living. And
don’t create unnecessary talks.
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What is that machine?
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They have a machine?
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What is that nonsense machine?
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Eh? Who knows that machine?
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Eh?
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It’s called an air respirator.
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But can it bring life?
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No. Then what is the
use of that machine?
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What is the use of the machine?
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Everyone knows that it is air.
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Now air is stopped.
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That is my reject.
Bring that air again.
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There is ample air.
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Bring that machine.
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Simply… Similarly, if you analyze
the whole body, it is confirmed,
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you will find these five elements, that ’s
all, earth, water, air, fire, sky. That’s all.
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TAMĀLA KṚṢṆA: That’s
scientific. No one denies that.
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Yes. They why don’t
you create a body?
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What is your science?
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You’ve just pointed out: the
body may already be there,
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but they cannot replace the life.
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Even a body is already created, like a dead
body, but they can’t bring life back into it.
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Then what is that life?
That is the question.
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That life is soul. You
have to accept. [break]
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…car stop.
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Some machine broken.
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As soon as the machine is placed,
now the motor car is fit for running,
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but not for the machine,
but for the driver.
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When the driver is not there, you
cannot create or purchase a driver.
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That is not possible.
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You can repair the machine, but
without driver the machine will not run.
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So why they should be
blind about this fact?
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What is this knowledge,
advancement of knowledge?
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The body is created. If it is accepted… Body
is created by these material elements.
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Now create another body.
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Just like dollmakers make a
body, you also make a body,
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very beautiful woman,
and give it life.
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Why they cannot do it?
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But even accepting that
the soul is the living force,
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they may say that “Well, we’re
living in this material world
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and we have to deal with matter,
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so what is the importance
of all this knowledge?”
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Hm?
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They may say that “We’re living in the
material world in spite of this knowledge,
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so we have to deal with material
circumstances.” But you do not like to die.
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Why do you die with
your material knowledge?
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Nobody wants to
die but why you die?
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Then where is your
material knowledge?
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You do not like to be old man.
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Where is your material knowledge
that you can stop old age?
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Then you have to accept that your
material knowledge is not perfect.
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Why you are so much proud
of this false knowledge?
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Unnecessarily.
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But we don’t see that you
are able to stop death.
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Eh?
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We agree that it would be nice
to stop death, but where is… Yes.
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Yes, we know. You learn
from us. We know.
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Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
naiti [Bg. 4.9]. This is the process.
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BHAVANANDA: But we haven’t seen
that anyone in your movement…
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Again “seeing,”
condemned seeing.
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Your seeing is like that, that “The
sun has come all of a sudden.”
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That is your seeing.
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“And when the sun is not there,
the sun dead.” That is your seeing.
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This is rascal seeing, animal seeing.
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Then you want us to have faith.
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No faith. It is knowledge.
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If I can’t see, then it means faith. No, you
can’t see. You are rascal; how you will see?
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Just like an astrologer can
say it is going to happen.
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You cannot see, but he can see.
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That means I have to
have faith, though.
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It is not faith. It is fact.
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If I say that “At 6:30 in the evening there
will be no sun,” it is not faith; it is fact.
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