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MW TOR 1975-08-07 Dog by Action-Human by Law
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 7th of August
1975, in Toronto, Canada. [splice]
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PRABHUPĀDA: They have been
taught by your rascal leaders,
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Jawaharlal Nehru and company.
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These rascals taught them.
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Jawaharlal Nehru was representing
the India for so many years.
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Yes. And therefore he has ruined.
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He is ruining since our,
before born, in 1930.
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Well, that was the beginning,
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but he completed
the finishing touch.
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Sometimes he came to
Vṛndāvana—I was there,
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retired—to open a
Ramakrishna Mission hospital,
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and he stayed there
the whole day.
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He came in the morning and went
back to New Delhi in the evening,
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but not a single temple he visited.
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Where thousands of men are
coming to see the temple, but he,
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the prime minister, he did
not visit not a single temple.
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He accepted as spiritual
master, some sort of…
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His teacher is Gandhi,
Mahatma Gandhi.
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So he was teaching him the
same thing what he has learned.
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From here he learned all this knowledge
which has spoiled our Indian culture?
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No, Gandhi had no spiritual knowledge.
He was little moralist. That’s all.
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That was also good.
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But these men are
not even moralist.
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How can we fast move in India to
spread our Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
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Hm?
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How can we spread the
Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
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If we go village to village.
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The village people are still pure, at least
not so polluted as the town people,
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or especially the so-
called educated [break]...
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We held this hari-kīrtana in Delhi, Calcutta, Bombay.
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Oh, at least fifteen to thirty
thousand people were daily…
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Even from the office with coats
and pants, they are dancing.
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And they asked me,
“Swamiji, continue it.” [break]
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I traveled all over India so
many years, place to place,
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but I found the Gujarati is one of the
best where the people have there some
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natural-born Kṛṣṇa
consciousness. Yes. That’s fact.
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Everywhere—Gujaratis,
Marwaris, Punjabis—
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more or less, Kṛṣṇa
consciousness is there [break]
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INDIAN MAN(2): I ask
you one question.
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What is the future of India
regarding the Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
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The people are so much demonic.
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It every time bothers me, day
and night, that what will happen?
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The people don’t have
respect for the olders.
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They just harass. I was with
my wife too, and I found the…
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We talk about the Kṛṣṇa,
and they just laugh.
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They say, “There is
nothing like that.”
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They made so much fun,
the young generation,
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that “You are a modern boy,
and you are believing in that?”
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Just I found.
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I can’t understand that how we can
change over to the Indian future
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about Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
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If we preach, it will be all right.
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That is going on perpetually,
darkness and light.
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If you bring light, darkness will
go out, will be driven away.
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Kṛṣṇa sūrya sama māyā andhakāra
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yāhan kṛṣṇa tāhan nāhi māyāra adhikāra [?].
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Just like now there is sunshine.
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Although it is not very bright, but still
the darkness of night has gone away.
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So bring in Kṛṣṇa
consciousness; it will go away.
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In Hardwar I have been recently,
and I met one of my uncle’s wife.
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My uncle’s father was a very big mahanta.
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He was having quite in a big numbers, maybe in lakhs
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or you can say million, half
million to million disciples.
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And what he was using in
whole life, the disciple’s money,
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for his own pleasure or
his wife and children’s.
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And at the end of it he took his sannyāsa.
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Only just few years
after that, he died.
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And I found there in a lot of mahantas, they have a temples,
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they are using there lot of
jewels, gold, and money,
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and they have a business, like that.
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And thousand of
educated people visit,
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and they believe that this is all they are
doing, show off, and there is no God.
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This is bewildering
everybody’s mind.
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Is there any…
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we have some system that we can
conquer those people by means to…
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Those young generation of their
children, they really looking for the truth.
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I met one mahanta, his son. He is very educated boy.
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He met impersonalist
leader, and he misguided,
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and they are leading their
life just like a, you can say,
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I don’t want to use
bad word, like pigs.
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They are eating and sleeping and mating,
same as there are other people doing.
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Well, this is want of knowledge, jñānam.
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Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ
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janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam [SB 1.2.7].
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If one is engaged in the
devotional service of Vasudeva,
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then he immediately becomes vairāgī—no attachment for material things—
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and knowledge.
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But most of these rascals,
they are nondevotees.
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The so-called mahanta, he is not
mahanta—mohāndha: “great blind.”
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So that is the difficulty.
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Kṛṣṇa consciousness
movement is to bring everyone
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to the stage of devotional service
to Vāsudeva. Then it will be all right.
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Other platform will
never be successful.
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Simply show.
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It is not fact [break] …also take it very
easily that “I haven’t got to do anything.
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My Guru Mahārāja is there.
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He will do everything. I
can do whatever I like.”
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The Christians are doing like
that, that “Jesus Christ will suffer.
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We indulge in sinful activities.
That’s all.” This is their policy.
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It is perhaps in our
movement only
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that each and every
individual is being trained up.
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Others they do not do that.
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“I have made a guru; then
my business is finished.
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Now I can do whatever I like.”
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[To dogs barking:] Hut!
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Good friends [laughter]
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…ing friendship with dog, then what he
will be? He’ll become dog. That’s all.
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He will not hear anything.
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Sadā tad bhāva bhāvitaḥ [Bg. 8.6].
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Prabhupāda, these people,
dogs, mostly are atheist?
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Atheist, they take
the birth as the dog?
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Yes.
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Unless one is atheist,
how he takes to dog?
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Theist takes to God, and
they takes to dog. That’s it.
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Not only animal dog, but they associate
with a human dog, two-legged dogs.
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There are four-legged, and there are
two-legged dogs—human being, but dog.
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He is also like dog, although he has got
two legs and they have got four legs.
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In the parks it is by law prohibited
to take dog, but he is dog.
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He violate the dog’s law.
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Therefore he is no better than dog
[break] …defect of modern civilization—
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they are keeping people as dog, and they
want to make them human beings by law.
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They are thinking, “If we impose
this law, things will be all right.”
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But how things will be all right?
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If you keep them dog, how
the things will be all right?
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So we are training
from dog to humanity.
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That is our special activities.
We do not keep them as dog.
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We bring them to become godly.
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Then things will be all right.
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Other so-called gurus, they keep
the disciple to remain as dog.
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Please pay him, and he… Asikbada—he will be all right.
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This is going on [break] [splice]
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Yes [break] …very
important, one question
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which everybody asks,
in India, everybody.
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They want to see
“Where is the God?”
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They want to see: “Show
us how we can see it.
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We ready to do everything,
and we want to see the God.
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And show us some miracle or
something that we can believe it.”
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Everybody is like that.
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And the people lot of having mystic
power, they make the fool of the peoples.
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What is that mystic power?
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I don’t know what they
show it, some sort of…
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You do not know?
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Some ji[?], they make it like that and this and that.
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They make the fool people.
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How can we convince that
something, that knowledge is there.
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But they want immediate
to know it to believe it.
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That is their rascaldom.
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One wants to be learned
without going to the school.
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Is it possible?
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So they are rascals.
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What can be done?
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They don’t want to go to
school and take the training,
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and they want to pass
M.A. examination.
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This is their proposal.
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So these rascals should be
kicked out. That’s all [break] …is:
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Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena [Bg. 4.34].
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First of all you surrender;
then you ask question.
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The rascals first of all will question.
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And when he is satisfied,
they will surrender.
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This is not the process.
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The process is first of all
surrender; then question.
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Otherwise you have
no right to question,
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waste time [break] …is
the sinful part of water.
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This is sinful part.
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There is sinful water
and pious water also.
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So this water is sinful.
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Drinking of this
water is prohibited.
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HARIKEŚA: In America they use
maple syrup a lot, maple syrup.
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Is that also part of the
sinful reaction for the trees?
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Yes. [break] [splice]
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Only fuel. They are called fuel.
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They are meant for
using as fuel [break]
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VIŚVAKARMA: …this is known
as the fruit belt, in this area.
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But now they are ripping up all the
orchards and putting in factories.
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Whatever they do,
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they do it for factories
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so that people may be
exploited very easily [break]
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INDIAN MAN(2): …like your
company very much in Toronto
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and we feel like talk you so much,
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but we don’t have so much
time to talk with you.
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You have so much mercy, so we have not…
know so much about Kṛṣṇa from you.
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So in my absence
you read the books.
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What I talk, I have written
in the books. That’s all.
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Personally, we think more
greater. That’s all right.
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But still, you can associate with
me by reading my books. [splice]
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Therefore in the beginning
of Bhāgavatam it is said,
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dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo atra [?]:
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“All cheating type of instruction is kicked out from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
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Only substance.”
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Vāstavam-vastu vedyam atra [?].
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One who is really anxious to know
reality, for them, it is Bhāgavatam.
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And those who want to
be misled, not for them.
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One who is sincere
to get the light,
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for him Bhāgavata is
the only remedy [break]
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…the question that “Why Bhāgavata
is so important than other books?”
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The reply is there: Mahā-muni kṛte kiṁ va paraiḥ [?].
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“What is the use of other books?”
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It is written by Mahā-muni Vyāsadeva, the Vedānta-ācārya [end]
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