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MW VRN 1975-12-04 Want to Imitate Rama
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ANNOUNCER: The following is
a morning walk conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 4th of December,
1975, in Vṛndāvana, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: These four principles will
make so many bogus bābās as useless.
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Simply if you follow these
four principles. [break]
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AKṢAYĀNANDA: …said
that Rāmacandra ate meat.
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Some people have said to me…
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Rāmacandra can eat you
and the whole universe.
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Can you do that?
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By imit…
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Even Rāmacandra used to eat meat, so
you can simply imitate for meat-eating.
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But why don’t you imitate how to
construct a bridge over the ocean?
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Why don’t you say that Rāmacandra
constructed a bridge on the ocean?
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Can you do that?
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No.
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Then you are rascal.
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But in the Bhagavad-gītā it says,
yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas [Bg 3.21].
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Whatever the great men do, you
must follow in their footsteps.
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Yes.
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By their instruction;
not by their activities.
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You should follow the instruction.
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Not the activities.
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Has Kṛṣṇa said anything that
“You also act rāsa-līlā like Me?”
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- No.
- Has said?
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- Never.
- Then how you can?
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These rascals, these Māyāvādīs,
they play rāsa-līlā. [break]
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…ācarati śreṣṭhas means…
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That śreṣṭha is ordinary
person, but not Bhagavān.
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Bhagavān can act any way.
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I still…
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Bhagavān has never
instructed you that,
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“You imitate Me in raising
the Govardhana Hill.”
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Has He said like that, that “You also raise
the Govardhana Hill like Me”? [break]
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…orders.
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man-manā bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yājī māṁ…
[Bg. 18.65]
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That is for you.
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Always think of Him.
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Always become His devotee.
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Worship Him.
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Offer your obeisances.
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That’s all.
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That is for you.
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Yasodamayi was asking Kṛṣṇa,
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“My dear Kṛṣṇa, can you bring
the slipper of Your father?”
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He could not; even the small child.
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Still, with great difficulty
He could raise that.
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But the person who can
raise the Govardhana Hill,
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He was feeling difficulty
to raise the slipper?
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Why?
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If at that time He becomes
like Govardhana—Giridhārī…
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Huh?
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Then the līlā between father
and son will be damaged.
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He plays just like a child.
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Although He can raise
even in that age, to hill…
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Raise the hill.
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One should understand Kṛṣṇa.
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Everyone compares
Him with ordinary man:
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“Kṛṣṇa has done
this, then I shall do.”
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Kṛṣṇa has done so many other
things; why don’t you do it?
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This rascal…
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Anyone who imitates
Kṛṣṇa on the plea that,
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Kṛṣṇa has played this,
therefore he shall do.
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He can do anything.
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He can eat meat and He
can eat the whole universe.
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That was shown to His mother: “Mother,
you are angry because I have eaten dirt.
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Now see within My mouth
the whole universe is in.
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What is the question of
dirt and sea and ocean?
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I can eat everything.” [break]
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…sam na doṣāya [SB
10.33.29]; just like this sun.
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It dry up this urine.
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It is not infected.
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But you lick up this urine?
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Let us see how powerful you are.
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tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya
[SB 10.33.29]
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Who is powerful, he can do anything
and everything, whatever he likes.
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You cannot do that. [break]
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…example.
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This urine, within an
hour it will be dried up.
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How it is dried up?
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Due to the sun.
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But the sun is not polluted.
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But you try to dry up
and see the result.
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HARI−ŚAURI: Śrīla Prabhupāda,
wasn’t it Lord Rāmacandra’s purpose
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to actually display by His activity how
a perfect human being should act?
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Who said that?
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Well, umm… I understood that that
verse, yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas [Bg 3.21]:
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That was referring
to Lord Rāmacandra.
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Everyone is referred, but whatever
Rāmacandra says, you should do that.
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You should not imitate.
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There are two words:
following and imitating.
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Imitation is not good.
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Following is good.
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Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas…
[Bg 3.21]; you can…
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That I have already explained: Can
you construct a bridge on the ocean?
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You are claiming, yad yad
ācarati; can you do this?
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Then why do you say like that?
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You cannot imitate.
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You can follow only.
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“Because Rāmacandra ate
meat, so I am eating meat.
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I become Ramcandra.”
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And why don’t you construct
a bridge on the ocean?
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So actually, perfect kings… Perfect
kings, they may have eaten meat?
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Perfect kings…
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No, perfect king must
follow the Vedic injunction.
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They would never eat meat,
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- even though they are kṣatriyas.
- No, kṣatriyas are allowed.
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- That is by hunting; not otherwise.
- Yeah.
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Or yajña.
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Everything is there
in the śāstra. [break]
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…candra, even He
was eating meat: He…
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Is there any instance in the temple
Rāmacandra is offered meat?
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Then why do you claim, “Rāmacandra
used to eat meat, therefore I shall eat”?
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All rascals.
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Kṛṣṇa, He ate fire, khāṇḍava-dāna.
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But what He asked you to offer?
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Does He says that
“You offer Me fire”?
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He says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ
toyaṁ, yo me bhaktyā pray… [Bg. 9.26].
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Does He say that “You
give Me fire; I shall eat”?
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You mean He eats fire in His
representation as the fire-god?
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No representation.
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- As He is.
- Ah.
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He never assumed as fire-god.
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He was boy and playing…
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- The forest fire.
- And there was for… fire and He ate it.
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That is God.
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Not that He became a fire-god.
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What is fire-god?
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Thousands of fire-gods are
staying on the nail of His feet.
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Why He should
become a fire-god?
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Mahat-padam [SB 10.14.58]; Kṛṣṇa’s
another name is mahat-padam.
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The whole energy of
material world is on His feet.
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samāśritā ye pada-pallava-plavaṁ
mahat-padaṁ puṇya-yaśo murāreḥ
[SB 10.14.58]
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- So they attend maṅgala-arati?
GUṆĀRṆAVA: Yeah.
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- Huh?
- Yeah.
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- They do?
- Yeah.
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DEVOTEE: Yes, they do.
- Very good. [break]
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…them; there are cycles.
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The cycles are more
dangerous than the motor car.
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HANSADUTTA: Because
you can’t hear them.
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No, no, hear… Gives you death.
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You see?
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From the behind.
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Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break]
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…and God; they do like that.
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They give this example:
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“In such and such yajña,
ṛṣis were eating meat.
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Therefore we shall eat meat.”
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In the Rāmakrishna Mission—
sannyāsīs—they say like that.
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