0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,000 RC AUC 1976-04-27 Wildcats and Special Rascals 1 00:00:15,001 --> 00:00:18,966 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation with with His Divine Grace 2 00:00:18,967 --> 00:00:22,732 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:22,733 --> 00:00:47,067 recorded on the 27th of April, 1976, in Auckland, New Zealand. 4 00:00:47,068 --> 00:00:49,061 GURU−KṚPA: Śrīla Prabhupāda, for the abhiṣeka, 5 00:00:49,062 --> 00:00:53,952 do we require cow urine and cow dung and tail of cow? Is it… 6 00:00:53,953 --> 00:00:55,783 PRABHUPĀDA: If available, not? 7 00:00:55,784 --> 00:00:58,609 - DEVOTEE (1): Yes, we can get it. It’s available. 8 00:00:58,610 --> 00:01:01,062 PUṢṬA KṚṢṆA: They’re feeling threatened by our kīrtana parties. 9 00:01:01,063 --> 00:01:02,494 Who? 10 00:01:02,495 --> 00:01:05,787 He said that some of the town councils 11 00:01:05,788 --> 00:01:11,201 are trying to pass laws against our chanting in the streets. 12 00:01:11,202 --> 00:01:13,621 DEVOTEE (2): The Christians are behind it in Whangarei. 13 00:01:13,622 --> 00:01:16,203 So, can they pass such law? 14 00:01:16,204 --> 00:01:17,682 I don’t think so. We’re having…. 15 00:01:17,683 --> 00:01:20,501 Some of our men are going to meet with the council 16 00:01:20,502 --> 00:01:22,866 the day after tomorrow at the meeting. 17 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:25,230 They’re open to our side. 18 00:01:25,231 --> 00:01:27,365 The reason is that the businessmen have complained, 19 00:01:27,366 --> 00:01:29,577 some of the businessmen have complained. 20 00:01:29,578 --> 00:01:34,326 Not all of them. You take some signature from other businessmen. 21 00:01:34,327 --> 00:01:36,013 Yes, all right. 22 00:01:36,014 --> 00:01:37,088 You present that. 23 00:01:37,089 --> 00:01:39,036 Yes. 24 00:01:39,037 --> 00:01:43,048 The men who are going to speak are businessmen, devotees. 25 00:01:43,049 --> 00:01:44,298 One is an architect. 26 00:01:44,299 --> 00:01:47,986 Then he can organize so many signatures. 27 00:01:47,987 --> 00:01:49,648 One is a restaurant owner, 28 00:01:49,649 --> 00:01:53,178 and one has a hairdressing salon. And they’re going to speak… 29 00:01:53,179 --> 00:01:59,347 Everyone is… likes; that’s a fact. 30 00:01:59,348 --> 00:02:03,908 We gave the argument before that they say it is a disturbance, 31 00:02:03,909 --> 00:02:07,579 but there are so many cars and airplanes which are making disturbance. 32 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:12,940 They should also be stopped. 33 00:02:12,941 --> 00:02:16,283 Last week we wrote letters to the newspaper, and they published them, 34 00:02:16,284 --> 00:02:18,234 showing our view. 35 00:02:18,235 --> 00:02:21,669 And in Whangarei…. It’s another city, a hundred miles from here. 36 00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:26,146 It’s near the farm up north, and the devotees chant there. 37 00:02:26,147 --> 00:02:28,733 And the businessmen complained. 38 00:02:28,734 --> 00:02:34,871 And the devotees wrote a letter criticizing the materialistic businessmen, 39 00:02:34,872 --> 00:02:37,635 and that they didn’t care for the people, only they wanted money. 40 00:02:37,636 --> 00:02:41,439 And they printed it this big in the newspaper, completely criticizing, 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,311 and the people liked it. 42 00:02:42,312 --> 00:02:47,207 They put it in everything, word for word what the devotees said. 43 00:02:47,208 --> 00:02:50,223 So it was good. 44 00:02:50,224 --> 00:02:56,047 So there is agitation against chanting. That is also good. 45 00:02:56,048 --> 00:02:59,966 Yes, “Hare Kṛṣṇa is bad.” [laughs] 46 00:02:59,967 --> 00:03:01,702 They don’t want to be bothered with Hare Kṛṣṇa. 47 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:02,191 Huh? 48 00:03:02,192 --> 00:03:03,957 They don’t want to be bothered with Hare Kṛṣṇa. 49 00:03:03,958 --> 00:03:05,643 Go on with their hellish life. 50 00:03:05,644 --> 00:03:06,888 So we want that. 51 00:03:06,889 --> 00:03:11,538 Let them chant Hare Kṛṣṇa somehow or other. [devotees laugh] 52 00:03:11,539 --> 00:03:14,273 “We don’t want to be bothered by Hare Kṛṣṇa.” 53 00:03:14,274 --> 00:03:16,355 That means chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. 54 00:03:16,356 --> 00:03:21,567 Because our kīrtana party now, we have… Um. We go on kīrtana, eighty men. 55 00:03:21,568 --> 00:03:24,059 We go two nights a week with eighty men. 56 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:28,116 Huge kīrtana with five mṛdaṅgas and guitars, 57 00:03:28,117 --> 00:03:31,278 and we get huge crowd from the whole street. 58 00:03:31,279 --> 00:03:35,772 That will make you triumphant. Go on kīrtana. That is very nice. 59 00:03:35,773 --> 00:03:40,059 Kīrtana, and book distribution. This is also kīrtana. 60 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:41,795 GURU−KṚPĀ: This is bṛhad mṛdaṅga. 61 00:03:41,796 --> 00:03:49,923 Yes. So do it enthusiastically. Keep yourself pure. 62 00:03:49,924 --> 00:03:53,631 Nobody will be able to do any harm to you. 63 00:03:53,632 --> 00:04:00,950 Kṛṣṇa will give you protection. So? [splice] 64 00:04:00,951 --> 00:04:04,153 Ghee is cheaper in New Zealand than in Australia. 65 00:04:04,154 --> 00:04:08,245 Anyway, first of all arrange for selling. 66 00:04:08,246 --> 00:04:11,308 I’ve already sent off the letter. 67 00:04:11,309 --> 00:04:18,080 And you can disvertise it from New Zealand or from Australia. 68 00:04:18,081 --> 00:04:22,401 There can be very peaceful condition of the whole world. 69 00:04:22,402 --> 00:04:26,872 Simply mismanaged by the rascal leaders. 70 00:04:26,873 --> 00:04:33,087 Otherwise, people can live very peacefully, eat sumptuously, save time, 71 00:04:33,088 --> 00:04:42,373 and there is no necessity of stopping the—I mean to say—bare necessities of life. 72 00:04:42,374 --> 00:04:47,537 There is arrangement for eating, sleeping, sex life also. 73 00:04:47,538 --> 00:04:51,305 But not like fools and rascals. 74 00:04:51,306 --> 00:04:52,576 Like sane man. 75 00:04:52,577 --> 00:04:59,630 But this modern civilization, it is insane, crazy civilization. 76 00:04:59,631 --> 00:05:06,958 There is little pleasure in sex life—simply sex life, increase sex life, spoiling everything. 77 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:10,675 That is crazy. 78 00:05:10,676 --> 00:05:17,345 Eating—eat anything, any nonsense thing, and become a hog. 79 00:05:17,346 --> 00:05:22,093 Sleeping—oḥ, there is no limit, twenty- four hours sleeping if it is possible. 80 00:05:22,094 --> 00:05:24,640 Go on, this is going on. 81 00:05:24,641 --> 00:05:26,773 Eating, sleeping, mating. 82 00:05:26,774 --> 00:05:33,023 And defense—and discover atomic weapon, this weapon, that weapon, 83 00:05:33,024 --> 00:05:38,529 and kill innocent persons, unnecessarily, defense. 84 00:05:38,530 --> 00:05:40,040 This is going on. 85 00:05:40,041 --> 00:05:46,341 But everything can be used properly for peaceful condition, 86 00:05:46,342 --> 00:05:50,427 and when you become peaceful, no disturbance, 87 00:05:50,428 --> 00:05:56,484 then you can very happily chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and your life becomes successful. 88 00:05:56,485 --> 00:05:58,097 This is our program. 89 00:05:58,098 --> 00:06:00,956 We don’t want to stop anything. 90 00:06:00,957 --> 00:06:02,470 How it can be stopped? 91 00:06:02,471 --> 00:06:06,184 Whatever is the bare neces…. Just like we have taken sannyāsa. 92 00:06:06,185 --> 00:06:07,550 What is that? 93 00:06:07,551 --> 00:06:09,537 “Oh, we have no sex life only. 94 00:06:09,538 --> 00:06:13,725 Otherwise, we are also eating, we are also sleeping.” 95 00:06:13,726 --> 00:06:17,307 So that is also stopped in good old age. 96 00:06:17,308 --> 00:06:20,972 In old age, if a person like me, 97 00:06:20,973 --> 00:06:25,114 at the age of eighty years, if I would have shopped for sex life, 98 00:06:25,115 --> 00:06:27,846 does it look very good? 99 00:06:27,847 --> 00:06:31,601 Young men, they are allowed. That’s all right. 100 00:06:31,602 --> 00:06:42,383 But a young…, old man is going to the club and spending for sex life so much money. 101 00:06:42,384 --> 00:06:44,140 Therefore younger generation, 102 00:06:44,141 --> 00:06:49,846 they’re allowed gṛhastha life from twenty-five years to fifty years. That’s all. 103 00:06:49,847 --> 00:06:52,917 After that, stop sex life. 104 00:06:52,918 --> 00:06:56,959 Actually, they want to stop population. 105 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,785 Then why there sex, then? 106 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:03,788 No, they’ll have sex life, at the same time, no population, kill the children. 107 00:07:03,789 --> 00:07:05,722 What is that? 108 00:07:05,723 --> 00:07:08,177 Simply sinful life. 109 00:07:08,178 --> 00:07:10,676 They will suffer, continue to suffer. 110 00:07:10,677 --> 00:07:13,595 So we want to stop that suffering. 111 00:07:13,596 --> 00:07:15,869 These rascals, they do not understand. 112 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:19,910 They think, “Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is disturbing.” 113 00:07:19,911 --> 00:07:23,211 A rascal civilization. 114 00:07:23,212 --> 00:07:26,929 So let us try our best. What can be done? 115 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:31,632 You also helping in this movement. 116 00:07:31,633 --> 00:07:38,533 So don’t spoil the movement by manufacturing ideas. 117 00:07:38,534 --> 00:07:40,523 Don’t do that. 118 00:07:40,524 --> 00:07:44,858 Go on in the standard way, keep yourself pure; 119 00:07:44,859 --> 00:07:47,265 then movement is sure to be successful. 120 00:07:47,266 --> 00:07:52,854 But if you want to spoil it by [indistinct], then what can be done? 121 00:07:52,855 --> 00:07:54,428 It will be spoiled. 122 00:07:54,429 --> 00:08:02,612 If you manufacture whims and disagree and fight amongst yourself, 123 00:08:02,613 --> 00:08:09,463 then it will be another edition of these so-called movements. 124 00:08:09,464 --> 00:08:14,628 It will lose the spiritual strength. 125 00:08:14,629 --> 00:08:19,856 Always remember it. You cannot…. 126 00:08:19,857 --> 00:08:22,503 Now, actually, people are surprised: 127 00:08:22,504 --> 00:08:30,494 “What this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra has got power that it is changing so quickly?” 128 00:08:30,495 --> 00:08:35,097 And on the other hand, it is to be admitted, unless it has got power, how it is changing? 129 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:38,547 So we have to keep that power. 130 00:08:38,548 --> 00:08:42,877 Don’t make it an ordinary musical vibration. 131 00:08:42,878 --> 00:08:45,248 It is a different thing, spiritual. 132 00:08:45,249 --> 00:08:53,788 Although it seems like musical vibration, but it is spiritual, completely. 133 00:08:53,789 --> 00:08:55,356 Mantrauṣadhi-vaśaḥ. 134 00:08:55,357 --> 00:08:59,538 Even, by mantra, the snakes can be charmed. 135 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:03,421 So mantra is not ordinary sound vibration. 136 00:09:03,422 --> 00:09:10,088 So we have to keep the mantra in potency, potent, 137 00:09:10,089 --> 00:09:14,547 by offenseless chanting, by remaining pure. 138 00:09:14,548 --> 00:09:22,484 If you pollute the mantra, then it will lose its effect. [splice] 139 00:09:22,485 --> 00:09:24,939 Hmm. 140 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:27,584 Concerning the temple, Śrīla Prabhupāda, 141 00:09:27,585 --> 00:09:33,654 I talked to some boys, and the one boy, Dhūmya[?], he used to be in Australia, 142 00:09:33,655 --> 00:09:36,754 he made a fifteen-foot-high Lord Caitanya. 143 00:09:36,755 --> 00:09:39,288 Do you remember at the Ratha-yātrā? 144 00:09:39,289 --> 00:09:40,243 Hmm. Hmm. 145 00:09:40,244 --> 00:09:46,780 And we’re going to build a temple with nice domes, Indian style, 146 00:09:46,781 --> 00:09:49,266 and with sculpture like the elephant heads… 147 00:09:49,267 --> 00:09:50,877 Make in Vṛndāvana style. 148 00:09:50,878 --> 00:09:52,962 Yes. I’ll get pictures of the different… 149 00:09:52,963 --> 00:09:55,469 There is that big dome and…. You have seen Vṛndāvana? 150 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:58,872 I have seen it just before it was finished, not since it was completed. 151 00:09:58,873 --> 00:09:59,479 Oh. 152 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,635 But I’ve seen pictures. 153 00:10:00,636 --> 00:10:05,309 I think we have got pictures. 154 00:10:05,310 --> 00:10:07,299 And the place where we’re going to put it, 155 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:10,410 you’ll be able to see it for miles. It’ll be a landmark. 156 00:10:10,411 --> 00:10:11,132 That’s nice. 157 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:12,599 You can see it for many miles. 158 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,781 Not only one, you hundreds of temples construct. 159 00:10:15,782 --> 00:10:17,775 Village to village, town to…. 160 00:10:17,776 --> 00:10:20,189 At the same time, man. 161 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:25,561 And it will revolutionize the whole rascal situation. 162 00:10:25,562 --> 00:10:29,269 At the present moment, it is rascal situation. 163 00:10:29,270 --> 00:10:34,762 They’re simply satisfied by driving the motor… A putputputputputputputputput! 164 00:10:34,763 --> 00:10:39,517 They are thinking, “Oh, how highly I am…” All crazy. 165 00:10:39,518 --> 00:10:44,563 But this has been taught to them that “This is civilization. 166 00:10:44,564 --> 00:10:51,847 If you have got a motorcycle and you can come like the wild cat, 167 00:10:51,848 --> 00:10:53,742 then you are civilized.” 168 00:10:53,743 --> 00:11:01,012 They are thinking how great civilized they are; we are thinking how wild cat he is. 169 00:11:01,013 --> 00:11:06,930 And what is the difference between wild cat and running dog and this motorcycle? 170 00:11:06,931 --> 00:11:09,565 Put-put? What is the difference? 171 00:11:09,566 --> 00:11:10,797 Nothing. 172 00:11:10,798 --> 00:11:16,498 And they’re taking it, highly civilized way of life. 173 00:11:16,499 --> 00:11:19,144 Where you are going? 174 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:22,808 You cannot go beyond this earth. 175 00:11:22,809 --> 00:11:27,184 You attempted so much to go to the moon planet, you failed. 176 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:29,443 And where you can go, put-put-put-put? 177 00:11:29,444 --> 00:11:31,982 You’ll have to stay here. 178 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,343 But the rascal does not understand. 179 00:11:34,344 --> 00:11:40,017 He thinks, “I am going very fast.” Where you are going? 180 00:11:40,018 --> 00:11:43,788 You are destined to stay here. 181 00:11:43,789 --> 00:11:45,968 That he does not understand. 182 00:11:45,969 --> 00:11:51,990 Not only this put-put motorcycle, the put-put airplane also. 183 00:11:51,991 --> 00:11:55,994 They’re also trying to go to this planet around, round. 184 00:11:55,995 --> 00:12:00,944 That sputnik, first sputnik, eighteen thousand miles, 185 00:12:00,945 --> 00:12:06,742 and they simply rounded over the world in one hour and twenty-five minutes. 186 00:12:06,743 --> 00:12:09,151 And where did you go? 187 00:12:09,152 --> 00:12:13,430 And when he’s tired, then come down again. 188 00:12:13,431 --> 00:12:20,771 They cannot understand, these so-called scientists, that we cannot go in this way. 189 00:12:20,772 --> 00:12:28,805 There is higher authority. Why it will allow us to go anywhere? 190 00:12:28,806 --> 00:12:34,117 Just like the horse running fast, but within the race course. That’s all. 191 00:12:34,118 --> 00:12:37,957 It cannot go beyond the race course. 192 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:47,949 And similarly, however heroic expedition we may show, you are, what is called, 193 00:12:47,950 --> 00:12:50,966 baddha-jīva, conditioned. 194 00:12:50,967 --> 00:12:56,707 You cannot cross the condition, that is not possible. 195 00:12:56,708 --> 00:13:00,178 Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. 196 00:13:00,179 --> 00:13:06,563 A rascal, on account of his false prestige, he is thinking, 197 00:13:06,564 --> 00:13:10,519 “Oh, I am independent. I can do whatever I like.” 198 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:18,505 Vimūḍhātmā, foolish, rascal. Mūḍha, not. 199 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:25,685 Vimūḍha, “especially the rascal, a special rascal.” 200 00:13:25,686 --> 00:13:33,539 Ordinary rascal is better than the special rascal. 201 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:39,453 So all these scientists, philosophers, and political leaders, they’re all special rascal, 202 00:13:39,454 --> 00:13:40,360 they are. 203 00:13:40,361 --> 00:13:41,223 Vimūḍha. 204 00:13:41,224 --> 00:13:44,346 Ordinary man, they’re simply rascal, 205 00:13:44,347 --> 00:13:48,357 and these rascals are special rascals. 206 00:13:48,358 --> 00:13:52,034 Vimūḍhā nānupaśyanti paśyanti jñāna-cakṣuṣaḥ [Bg. 15.10]. 207 00:13:52,035 --> 00:13:55,571 Hmm. 208 00:13:55,572 --> 00:14:01,299 So don’t be vimūḍhas. Better remain mūḍha. 209 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:10,236 Not special rascal. 210 00:14:10,237 --> 00:14:10,238 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com