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RC BHU 1977-01-31 The Great Soul
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ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,
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recorded on January 31st,
1977, in Bhubaneshwar, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Still in Rādhā-kuṇḍa,
Vṛndāvana, you’ll see many devotees.
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They offer, counting,
flat, so many times.
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So we have to take some labor.
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It is not so easy thing that you
realize [chuckling] God so easily.
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Saṅkhyā-pūrvaka-nāma-gāna-natibhiḥ
kālāvasānī-kṛtau [Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka].
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The valuable time of human
life should be utilized
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only for cultivating Kṛṣṇa
consciousness. That is perfect.
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No other business.
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Sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg.
18.66]. That is sarva-dharmān.
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But if you cannot do that, all right, make
minimum: “So many times I shall chant.
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So many times I shall
offer obeisances.”
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Make some dṛḍha-vrata.
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Then gradually it will be successful.
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GUEST (5): [Bengali]
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Yes.
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Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa,
Kṛṣṇa—twenty-four hours.
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Japa-tapa.
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Tapasya. tapo divyaṁ putrakā
yena śuddhyed [SB 5.5.1]
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Japa means tapa, tapasya.
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And that is dṛḍha-vrata.
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Tapasā brahmacaryeṇa [SB 6.1.13].
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Tapasya begins with brahmacarya.
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There is no tapasya,
there is no brahmacarya,
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there is no dṛḍha-vrata,
there is no understanding,
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and they are becoming guru.
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Just see these
Europeans, Americans.
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Their life beginning was meat-eating.
And they have given up everything.
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This is tapasya.
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And we shall eat
everything, do everything…
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yato mata tato patha “Whatever
I like, I do, and still a devotee.”
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What is this nonsense?
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Hmm?
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GUEST (6): Viśvāsa
first, faith strong.
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No, where is faith if we
do not execute tapasya?
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Where is faith?
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viśvāsa sudṛḍha niścaya That
is viśvāsa, the same thing.
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This is viśvāsa: “Kṛṣṇa said
this; I shall do.” This is viśvāsa.
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And if you do not do anything, what Kṛṣṇa
says, where is viśvāsa? There is no viśvāsa.
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Kṛṣṇa says, Satataṁ
kīrtayanto mām [Bg 9.14].
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“Anyone who is chanting Me, Hare
Kṛṣṇa…” So Kṛṣṇa says; I must do it.
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That is viśvāsa.
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If you do not do that,
where is viśvāsa?
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What do you mean by viśvāsa?
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Viśvāsa means sudṛḍha niścaya.
“Yes, Kṛṣṇa has said. I shall do.”
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That is viśvāsa.
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If you have no faith in the words
of Kṛṣṇa, where is your viśvāsa?
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What do you mean by viśvāsa?
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Hm?
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Bhagavān’s servant.
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Bhagavān is your servant.
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Whatever you like, you can do, and
He’ll serve you. You’ll not serve Him.
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He will serve you.
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Is that viśvāsa?
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“Whatever nonsense I
do, Kṛṣṇa will support.”
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Is that viśvāsa?
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Viśvāsa means “What Kṛṣṇa
says, I shall do.” That is viśvāsa.
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That has been impressed at the
modern age, that “Whatever I do,
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Kṛṣṇa will accept it.”
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Is it not?
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Do you mean viśvāsa means this,
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that “Whatever nonsense
you do, Kṛṣṇa will accept”?
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Do you mean viśvāsa means this?
Then what is viśvāsa? Explain.
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“Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, I
will do,” that is viśvāsa.
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Or “Whatever nonsense
I do, Kṛṣṇa will favor”?
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Which one viśvāsa?
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What do you mean…? Huh? There
is one pervading Supreme Soul.
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What is that pervading?
What do you mean by that?
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Plain explain.
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What do you mean
by viśvāsa? Explain.
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Faith in God. Faith in God.
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Then hear what God says.
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That is… I am speaking that “What
Kṛṣṇa says, you do it.” That is viśvāsa.
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And if you do otherwise,
where is viśvāsa?
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Hm?
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Viśvāsa means… I say, “Mr.
such and such, do this.”
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If you have faith in
me, you will do this.
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That is viśvāsa.
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And if you do otherwise,
where is your viśvāsa?
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“You have no faith in Me.”
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Now people have degraded so
much that they think, “This is viśvāsa.
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Anything I accept as
God is God.” [splice]
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So if you take this, that Kṛṣṇa
is the beginning of everything—
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iti matvā—by understanding this,
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if anyone engages himself in kṛṣṇa-
bhakti, bhajante mām, that is bhakti.
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Budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ.
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He has come immediately
to the bhāva stage.
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Means he’s budhāḥ.
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He is actual… He has actually
understood the thing.
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So that is viśvāsa.
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In Caitanya-caritāmṛta
it is said viśvāsa…
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Śraddhā-śabde viśvāsa
kahe sudṛḍha niścaya,
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kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma
kṛta haya [Cc Madhya 22.62].
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kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma
kṛta haya This is viśvāsa.
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Kṛṣṇa says, Sarva-dharmān parityajya
mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].
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I am thinking, “I have got
so many other things.
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Simply why shall I surrender?”
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That is not viśvāsa.
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Viśvāsa means “Kṛṣṇa says,
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‘sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ
śaraṇaṁ.’ [Bg. 18.66] I’ll accept.”
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kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-
karma kṛta That is viśvāsa.
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Sudṛḍha niścaya.
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śraddhā-śabde viśvāsa
kahe sudṛḍha niścaya,
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kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma
kṛta haya That is viśvāsa.
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That viśvāsa wanted, not that
I manufacture something.
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It is useless.
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moghāśā mogha-karmāṇo mogha-jñānā
vicetasaḥ [Bg. 9.12] That is hopeless.
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What Kṛṣṇa says, if you believe
firmly, then it is viśvāsa.
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Dṛḍha-vrata.
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And execute, determination.
Then you get the result.
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Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ [Bg
7.19]. Such mahātmā is very rare.
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And nowadays mahātmā means one who
does not know anything about Kṛṣṇa,
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speaks all nonsense.
He is mahātmā.
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“Because we stamp somebody,
mahātmā, therefore he is mahātmā.
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Find out this verse, mahātmānas
tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim.
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SATSVARŪPA: Mahātmānas tu
māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ
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bhajanty ananya-manaso jñātvā
bhūtādim avyayam [Bg. 9.13].
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“O son of Pṛthā, those
who are not deluded,
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the great souls, are under the
protection of the divine nature.
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They are fully engaged
in devotional service
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because they know Me as the
Supreme Personality of Godhead,
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original and inexhaustible.”
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This is mahātmā.
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Is there any purport?
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Yes.
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“In this verse the description
of mahātmā is clearly given.
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The first sign of the mahātmā is that he
is already situated in the divine nature.
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He is not under the
control of material nature.
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And how is this effected?
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That is explained in
the Seventh Chapter.
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One who surrenders unto the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa,
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at once becomes freed from
the control of material nature.
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That is the qualification.”
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mām eva ye prapadyante
māyām etāṁ taranti
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“One can become free from
the control of material nature
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as soon as he surrenders his soul to
the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
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That is the preliminary formula.
Being marginal potency,
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as soon as the living entity is freed
from the control of material nature,
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he is put under the guidance
of the spiritual nature.
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The guidance of the spiritual nature is
called daivīṁ prakṛtim, divine nature.
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So when one is
promoted in that way
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by surrendering to the Supreme
Personality of Godhead,
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one attains to the stage
of a great soul, mahātmā.
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The mahātmā does not divert his
attention to anything outside Kṛṣṇa
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because he knows perfectly well that
Kṛṣṇa is the original Supreme Person,
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the cause of all causes.
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There is no doubt about it.
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Such a mahātmā or great soul develops
through association with other mahātmās,
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pure devotees.
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