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RC BOM 1973-10-26 At Airport--That Is Not Perfection
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 26th of
October 1973, in Bombay, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: ..our Kṛṣṇa consciousness
movement is to educate people
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to understand the value of life.
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The modern system of education
and civilization is so degraded,
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that people have
forgotten the value of life.
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Generally, in this material world
everyone is forgetful of the value of life,
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but the human form of life is a chance
to awaken the importance of life.
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In the Śrīmad-
Bhāgavatam it is stated,
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parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto
yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam
[SB 5.5.5]
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So long one is not awakened to the
consciousness of self-realization,
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the foolish living entity, whatever
he is doing, is defeat for him.
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This defeat is going on in
the lower species of life,
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because they cannot understand
what is the value of life.
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Their consciousness
is not advanced.
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But even in the human form of
life, the same defeat prolongs,
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that is not very good civilization.
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That is almost animal civilization.
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āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca
samānyā etat paśubhir narāṇām
[Mahabharata]
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If people are simply engaged
in the four principles of,
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bodily demands—eating,
sleeping, mating and defending—
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that is visible in animal life also, so that
is not very advancement of civilization.
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So our attempt Kṛṣṇa consciousness
movement is to educate people
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to come to the
responsibility of human life.
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This is our Vedic civilization.
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The problem of life is not the difficulties
for a few years of this duration of life.
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The real problem of
life is how to solve,
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the repetition of birth,
death, old age and disease.
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That is the instruction
in the Bhagavad-gītā.
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janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi
duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam
[Bg. 13.9]
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People are embarrassed with
so many problems of life,
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but the real problem of life is, how to
stop birth, death, old age and disease.
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So people are callous.
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They have become so dull-headed that
they do not understand the problem of life.
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Long, long ago when Viśvāmitra
Muni saw Mahārāja Daśaratha,
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so Mahārāja Daśaratha inquired
from the Viśvāmitra Muni,
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aihistaṁ yat taṁ punar janma jayaya
[Rāmayana]:
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“My dear sir, the attempt that you
are trying to conquer over death,
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how that business
is going on nicely?
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Is there any interruption?”
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So this is our Vedic civilization,
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how to conquer over birth,
death, old age and disease.
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But at the modern time there is no such
information, neither anybody is interested.
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Even big, big professors, they do
not know what is there after life.
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They do not believe even
that there is life after death.
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So this is a blind
civilization going on.
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We are trying our bit to educate
them that the aim of life,
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especially in the human form of life, is
different from the bodily necessities of life:
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eating, sleeping,
mating and defending.
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In the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said,
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manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu
kaścid yatati siddhaye
[Bg. 7.3]
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“Out of many millions of persons,
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one may attempt to become
successful in his life.”
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Siddhaye, siddhi.
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This is siddhi, how to conquer over
birth, death, old age and disease.
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And… manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu
kaścid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3]
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Modern civilized man is so dull,
he does not know what is siddhi.
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They think that “If I get some money and
one bungalow and one car, that is siddhi.”
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That is not siddhi.
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You can get a few years a very
nice bungalow, a car, nice family.
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But any moment this
arrangement will be finished,
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and you have to
accept another body.
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That you do not know.
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And neither they
do care to know it.
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So they have become
so dull-headed,
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although they are very much proud of
education, advancement of civilization.
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But we are protesting.
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We are protesting; I
am not protesting.
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Kṛṣṇa is protesting.
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Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
prapadyante narādhamāḥ
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māyayāpahṛta-jñānā
āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ
[Bg. 7.15]
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These rascals, lowest of the mankind,
and always engaged in sinful activities,
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such persons do not take
to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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“No; there are so many
educated MA, PhD’s.”
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Kṛṣṇa says, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ.
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“Apparently they
are very educated,
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but their real knowledge
is taken away by māyā.”
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āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ
[Bg. 7.15]
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This atheistic civilization
is very dangerous.
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People are suffering
for this reason.
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But they are not very serious.
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Therefore they have been addressed
by Kṛṣṇa as mūḍhāḥ, rascals.
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na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
[Bg. 7.15]
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So we are trying a little bit
to make these mūḍhas,
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mūḍha civilization, to come
into light of spiritual life.
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That is our humble attempt.
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But it is already said,
manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu [Bg. 7.3]:
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“Out of many millions of
persons, they can take to it.”
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manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu
kaścid yatati siddhaye
[Bg. 7.3]
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But that does not
mean we shall stop.
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Just like in our
school, college days,
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Sir Asutosh Mukherjee
started some higher study,
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post-graduate study
classes in the university.
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The student was
one or two, but still,
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the class was maintained at the
cost of many thousands of rupees,
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not considering that only there are
only one student or two students.
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Similarly this Kṛṣṇa consciousness
movement must go on.
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It doesn’t matter, the foolish people, they
do not understand it or do not come to it.
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We have to make our propaganda.
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Thank you very much.
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Any question, we can answer.
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Is there any press
representative here?
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- No.
- No. [splice]
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They are not interested.
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Kṛṣṇa consciousness;
they clearly says that,
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“What this Kṛṣṇa consciousness,
or saṅkīrtana will do?”
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They says that, yes.
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They have become so dull.
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The Bhagavad-gītā, the culture
of India, they have forsaken.
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They are now taking
culture from Russia.
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Yes; this is the
advancement of education.
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They are taking instruction
from Lenin, than from Kṛṣṇa.
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This is the position.
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Especially in India.
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Outside India they are interested,
so many European, American,
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Western countries’ boys and girls,
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they have joined and
sacrificed their life.
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But in India they are callous.
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They think that, “What
is this Hare Kṛṣṇa?
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We know that; it is very old story.
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Now we want technology.”
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GUEST (1) : In Delhi
we have got quite a
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big number of good life
members and helpful people.
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Yes, there are, certainly.
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India is born Kṛṣṇa conscious,
but by artificial means…
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Amongst the mass of people
the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is there,
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but amongst the so-called educated,
advanced, they are trying to forget.
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- This is the difficulty.
- GUEST (1): Physical life has become so difficult…
- Eh?
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- Physical life has become so difficult…
- It must be difficult.
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It must be difficult, because the so-called
advancement has not helped the people.
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In our childhood we purchased
ghee one rupee, first-class.
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Now it is not available; and this
is advancement of civilization.
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- The population has increased so much.
- No, no, this is not the question, population.
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Population was… Formerly one man
used to beget one hundred children.
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From Mahābhārata we
understand that Dhṛtarāṣṭra,
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his name is mentioned
because he was king.
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That means at that time people were
able to beget one hundred children.
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And who is begetting one
hundred children now?
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One, two, three, four, that’s all.
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How the population
can be increased now?
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It is all bogus propaganda.
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What do you think is the
solution of these difficulties?
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Solution of difficulty is to
take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī
mama māyā duratyayā
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mām eva ye prapadyante
māyām etāṁ taranti te
[Bg. 7.14]
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Māyā… Just like if there are
criminals, then the police force
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will be increased,
punishment will be increased,
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so similarly, human beings,
they are becoming godless,
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so by nature there
must be punishment.
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They will not be supplied food.
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Food supply will be restricted; after
all, the food is in the hands of nature.
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You cannot produce food.
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You can produce bolts and nuts in the
factory, but you cannot eat bolts and nuts.
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You have to eat rice and grains.
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So that restriction
if there is… [Hindi]
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The solution is to, back to home, back to
Godhead; otherwise there is no solution.
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That is stated in
the Bhagavad-gītā.
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daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī
mama māyā duratyayā
[Bg. 7.14]
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The stringent laws of māyā is very
strong; you cannot surpass them.
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mām eva ye prapadyante
māyām etāṁ taranti te
[Bg 7.14]
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If you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it
is possible to get out of this entanglement.
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Otherwise it is not possible.
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They have tried so, so
many ways and means,
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to solve the problems, but
they could not do anything.
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- Yes, corruption in the politics…
- Yes, corruption will increase,
sinful life increase, cheating.
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mandāḥ sumanda-matayo
manda-bhāgyāḥ
[SB 1.1.10]
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- Misfortune; these things will…
- GUEST (1): Adulteration of food.
- Yes.
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Even government cannot
give nice food to the people,
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what to speak of nice government.
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In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam…
You have got the copy?
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- PRADYUMNA: Yes.
- ādāya.
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[indistinct] Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s
reign, everything was ample supply.
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kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
[SB 1.10.4]
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- You have got that verse?
- I just have the black one.
- Oh yes.
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kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
[SB 1.10.4]
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During Mahārāja Parīkṣit’s time, one
black man was attempting to kill a cow.
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Immediately the king wanted to kill
him, immediately: “Oh, who are you?”
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It is the duty of the vaiśyas.
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kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam
vaiśya-karma-svabhāva-jam
[Bg. 18.44]
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It is the duty of the vaiśyas
to protect the cows,
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to increase agricultural
activities and trade.
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But they are now interested
in producing electronic parts.
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No go-rakṣya, no vāṇijyam,
no food production.
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Cheap profit, and for eating,
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let there be slaughterhouse
and eat meat.
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And to digest meat, you drink
wine; this is being taught.
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So you don't, you
create the situation,
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and when you suffer, then
why should we lament?
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We have created this
situation, godless civilization,
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do not follow the
direction of the śāstras.
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When we follow,
what is that kāmam?
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Kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
sarva-kāma-dughā mahī
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siṣicuḥ sma vrajān gāvaḥ
payasodhasvatīr mudā
[SB 1.10.4]
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Yes; kāmaṁ vavarṣa
parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4]
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So if there is regular rainfall, then
you get all necessities of life.
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And the cows were so happy
that the milk bag was so full,
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that the pasturing ground
became muddy with milk.
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They were supplying so much milk.
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So arrangement should be made, how you
can get more milk, and more foodgrains.
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Then the whole economic
problem will be solved.
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But instead of getting more milk, they
are slaughtering cows, innocent animals.
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So people have become demons,
rascals, so they must suffer.
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There is no other way.
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