0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,989 RC BOM 1973-10-26 At Airport--That Is Not Perfection 1 00:00:14,990 --> 00:00:17,236 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation 2 00:00:17,237 --> 00:00:22,519 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:46,549 recorded on the 26th of October 1973, in Bombay, India. 4 00:00:46,550 --> 00:00:54,430 PRABHUPĀDA: ..our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people 5 00:00:54,431 --> 00:00:59,443 to understand the value of life. 6 00:00:59,444 --> 00:01:10,113 The modern system of education and civilization is so degraded, 7 00:01:10,114 --> 00:01:16,440 that people have forgotten the value of life. 8 00:01:16,441 --> 00:01:26,980 Generally, in this material world everyone is forgetful of the value of life, 9 00:01:26,981 --> 00:01:35,870 but the human form of life is a chance to awaken the importance of life. 10 00:01:35,871 --> 00:01:42,610 In the Śrīmad- Bhāgavatam it is stated, 11 00:01:42,611 --> 00:01:51,010 parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [SB 5.5.5] 12 00:01:51,011 --> 00:02:01,550 So long one is not awakened to the consciousness of self-realization, 13 00:02:01,551 --> 00:02:11,520 the foolish living entity, whatever he is doing, is defeat for him. 14 00:02:11,521 --> 00:02:18,140 This defeat is going on in the lower species of life, 15 00:02:18,141 --> 00:02:23,820 because they cannot understand what is the value of life. 16 00:02:23,821 --> 00:02:27,640 Their consciousness is not advanced. 17 00:02:27,641 --> 00:02:36,180 But even in the human form of life, the same defeat prolongs, 18 00:02:36,181 --> 00:02:40,680 that is not very good civilization. 19 00:02:40,681 --> 00:02:45,050 That is almost animal civilization. 20 00:02:45,051 --> 00:02:49,750 āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca samānyā etat paśubhir narāṇām [Mahabharata] 21 00:02:49,751 --> 00:02:54,583 If people are simply engaged in the four principles of, 22 00:02:54,584 --> 00:03:01,983 bodily demands—eating, sleeping, mating and defending— 23 00:03:01,984 --> 00:03:12,140 that is visible in animal life also, so that is not very advancement of civilization. 24 00:03:12,141 --> 00:03:20,630 So our attempt Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people 25 00:03:20,631 --> 00:03:25,379 to come to the responsibility of human life. 26 00:03:25,380 --> 00:03:28,431 This is our Vedic civilization. 27 00:03:28,432 --> 00:03:42,051 The problem of life is not the difficulties for a few years of this duration of life. 28 00:03:42,052 --> 00:03:47,620 The real problem of life is how to solve, 29 00:03:47,621 --> 00:03:54,591 the repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. 30 00:03:54,592 --> 00:03:59,241 That is the instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā. 31 00:03:59,242 --> 00:04:04,201 janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam [Bg. 13.9] 32 00:04:04,202 --> 00:04:11,111 People are embarrassed with so many problems of life, 33 00:04:11,112 --> 00:04:22,721 but the real problem of life is, how to stop birth, death, old age and disease. 34 00:04:22,722 --> 00:04:25,831 So people are callous. 35 00:04:25,832 --> 00:04:34,151 They have become so dull-headed that they do not understand the problem of life. 36 00:04:34,152 --> 00:04:43,661 Long, long ago when Viśvāmitra Muni saw Mahārāja Daśaratha, 37 00:04:43,662 --> 00:04:50,831 so Mahārāja Daśaratha inquired from the Viśvāmitra Muni, 38 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:56,374 aihistaṁ yat taṁ punar janma jayaya [Rāmayana]: 39 00:04:56,375 --> 00:05:05,109 “My dear sir, the attempt that you are trying to conquer over death, 40 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:08,681 how that business is going on nicely? 41 00:05:08,682 --> 00:05:11,661 Is there any interruption?” 42 00:05:11,662 --> 00:05:14,418 So this is our Vedic civilization, 43 00:05:14,419 --> 00:05:20,982 how to conquer over birth, death, old age and disease. 44 00:05:20,983 --> 00:05:28,232 But at the modern time there is no such information, neither anybody is interested. 45 00:05:28,233 --> 00:05:34,242 Even big, big professors, they do not know what is there after life. 46 00:05:34,243 --> 00:05:38,622 They do not believe even that there is life after death. 47 00:05:38,623 --> 00:05:43,062 So this is a blind civilization going on. 48 00:05:43,063 --> 00:05:50,991 We are trying our bit to educate them that the aim of life, 49 00:05:50,992 --> 00:05:58,882 especially in the human form of life, is different from the bodily necessities of life: 50 00:05:58,883 --> 00:06:03,142 eating, sleeping, mating and defending. 51 00:06:03,143 --> 00:06:05,552 In the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said, 52 00:06:05,553 --> 00:06:10,472 manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3] 53 00:06:10,473 --> 00:06:13,502 “Out of many millions of persons, 54 00:06:13,503 --> 00:06:18,332 one may attempt to become successful in his life.” 55 00:06:18,333 --> 00:06:21,102 Siddhaye, siddhi. 56 00:06:21,103 --> 00:06:27,122 This is siddhi, how to conquer over birth, death, old age and disease. 57 00:06:27,123 --> 00:06:30,872 And… manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3] 58 00:06:30,873 --> 00:06:37,822 Modern civilized man is so dull, he does not know what is siddhi. 59 00:06:37,823 --> 00:06:45,652 They think that “If I get some money and one bungalow and one car, that is siddhi.” 60 00:06:45,653 --> 00:06:47,543 That is not siddhi. 61 00:06:47,544 --> 00:06:56,793 You can get a few years a very nice bungalow, a car, nice family. 62 00:06:56,794 --> 00:07:01,339 But any moment this arrangement will be finished, 63 00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:04,088 and you have to accept another body. 64 00:07:04,089 --> 00:07:06,173 That you do not know. 65 00:07:06,174 --> 00:07:09,433 And neither they do care to know it. 66 00:07:09,434 --> 00:07:12,743 So they have become so dull-headed, 67 00:07:12,744 --> 00:07:17,373 although they are very much proud of education, advancement of civilization. 68 00:07:17,374 --> 00:07:20,026 But we are protesting. 69 00:07:20,027 --> 00:07:22,573 We are protesting; I am not protesting. 70 00:07:22,574 --> 00:07:25,623 Kṛṣṇa is protesting. 71 00:07:25,624 --> 00:07:29,623 Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ 72 00:07:29,624 --> 00:07:35,073 māyayāpahṛta-jñānā āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ [Bg. 7.15] 73 00:07:35,074 --> 00:07:44,173 These rascals, lowest of the mankind, and always engaged in sinful activities, 74 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:49,293 such persons do not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 75 00:07:49,294 --> 00:07:54,583 “No; there are so many educated MA, PhD’s.” 76 00:07:54,584 --> 00:07:58,043 Kṛṣṇa says, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ. 77 00:07:58,044 --> 00:08:01,053 “Apparently they are very educated, 78 00:08:01,054 --> 00:08:06,594 but their real knowledge is taken away by māyā.” 79 00:08:06,595 --> 00:08:08,314 āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ [Bg. 7.15] 80 00:08:08,315 --> 00:08:13,084 This atheistic civilization is very dangerous. 81 00:08:13,085 --> 00:08:17,974 People are suffering for this reason. 82 00:08:17,975 --> 00:08:20,404 But they are not very serious. 83 00:08:20,405 --> 00:08:25,884 Therefore they have been addressed by Kṛṣṇa as mūḍhāḥ, rascals. 84 00:08:25,885 --> 00:08:28,274 na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 7.15] 85 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:34,277 So we are trying a little bit to make these mūḍhas, 86 00:08:34,278 --> 00:08:41,264 mūḍha civilization, to come into light of spiritual life. 87 00:08:41,265 --> 00:08:44,154 That is our humble attempt. 88 00:08:44,155 --> 00:08:47,053 But it is already said, manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu [Bg. 7.3]: 89 00:08:47,054 --> 00:08:53,214 “Out of many millions of persons, they can take to it.” 90 00:08:53,215 --> 00:08:55,804 manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3] 91 00:08:55,805 --> 00:08:59,324 But that does not mean we shall stop. 92 00:08:59,325 --> 00:09:04,854 Just like in our school, college days, 93 00:09:04,855 --> 00:09:10,324 Sir Asutosh Mukherjee started some higher study, 94 00:09:10,325 --> 00:09:16,284 post-graduate study classes in the university. 95 00:09:16,285 --> 00:09:20,105 The student was one or two, but still, 96 00:09:20,106 --> 00:09:26,285 the class was maintained at the cost of many thousands of rupees, 97 00:09:26,286 --> 00:09:31,325 not considering that only there are only one student or two students. 98 00:09:31,326 --> 00:09:35,125 Similarly this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement must go on. 99 00:09:35,126 --> 00:09:41,155 It doesn’t matter, the foolish people, they do not understand it or do not come to it. 100 00:09:41,156 --> 00:09:44,935 We have to make our propaganda. 101 00:09:44,936 --> 00:09:46,055 Thank you very much. 102 00:09:46,056 --> 00:09:48,035 Any question, we can answer. 103 00:09:48,036 --> 00:09:49,835 Is there any press representative here? 104 00:09:49,836 --> 00:09:52,135 - No. - No. [splice] 105 00:09:52,136 --> 00:09:54,922 They are not interested. 106 00:09:54,923 --> 00:09:58,167 Kṛṣṇa consciousness; they clearly says that, 107 00:09:58,168 --> 00:10:04,588 “What this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or saṅkīrtana will do?” 108 00:10:04,589 --> 00:10:07,465 They says that, yes. 109 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:10,065 They have become so dull. 110 00:10:10,066 --> 00:10:16,285 The Bhagavad-gītā, the culture of India, they have forsaken. 111 00:10:16,286 --> 00:10:20,185 They are now taking culture from Russia. 112 00:10:20,186 --> 00:10:27,095 Yes; this is the advancement of education. 113 00:10:27,096 --> 00:10:33,286 They are taking instruction from Lenin, than from Kṛṣṇa. 114 00:10:33,287 --> 00:10:34,936 This is the position. 115 00:10:34,937 --> 00:10:37,766 Especially in India. 116 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:46,363 Outside India they are interested, so many European, American, 117 00:10:46,364 --> 00:10:48,293 Western countries’ boys and girls, 118 00:10:48,294 --> 00:10:52,596 they have joined and sacrificed their life. 119 00:10:52,597 --> 00:10:58,396 But in India they are callous. 120 00:10:58,397 --> 00:11:00,656 They think that, “What is this Hare Kṛṣṇa? 121 00:11:00,657 --> 00:11:03,926 We know that; it is very old story. 122 00:11:03,927 --> 00:11:07,016 Now we want technology.” 123 00:11:07,017 --> 00:11:08,568 GUEST (1) : In Delhi we have got quite a 124 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:11,342 big number of good life members and helpful people. 125 00:11:11,343 --> 00:11:13,336 Yes, there are, certainly. 126 00:11:13,337 --> 00:11:18,936 India is born Kṛṣṇa conscious, but by artificial means… 127 00:11:18,937 --> 00:11:23,616 Amongst the mass of people the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is there, 128 00:11:23,617 --> 00:11:28,216 but amongst the so-called educated, advanced, they are trying to forget. 129 00:11:28,217 --> 00:11:31,096 - This is the difficulty. - GUEST (1): Physical life has become so difficult… - Eh? 130 00:11:31,097 --> 00:11:34,874 - Physical life has become so difficult… - It must be difficult. 131 00:11:34,875 --> 00:11:41,407 It must be difficult, because the so-called advancement has not helped the people. 132 00:11:41,408 --> 00:11:46,577 In our childhood we purchased ghee one rupee, first-class. 133 00:11:46,578 --> 00:11:50,817 Now it is not available; and this is advancement of civilization. 134 00:11:50,818 --> 00:11:55,637 - The population has increased so much. - No, no, this is not the question, population. 135 00:11:55,638 --> 00:12:01,728 Population was… Formerly one man used to beget one hundred children. 136 00:12:01,729 --> 00:12:05,049 From Mahābhārata we understand that Dhṛtarāṣṭra, 137 00:12:05,050 --> 00:12:08,167 his name is mentioned because he was king. 138 00:12:08,168 --> 00:12:12,527 That means at that time people were able to beget one hundred children. 139 00:12:12,528 --> 00:12:16,387 And who is begetting one hundred children now? 140 00:12:16,388 --> 00:12:18,897 One, two, three, four, that’s all. 141 00:12:18,898 --> 00:12:21,257 How the population can be increased now? 142 00:12:21,258 --> 00:12:23,177 It is all bogus propaganda. 143 00:12:23,178 --> 00:12:26,297 What do you think is the solution of these difficulties? 144 00:12:26,298 --> 00:12:30,577 Solution of difficulty is to take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 145 00:12:30,578 --> 00:12:33,768 daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā 146 00:12:33,769 --> 00:12:37,378 mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg. 7.14] 147 00:12:37,379 --> 00:12:42,646 Māyā… Just like if there are criminals, then the police force 148 00:12:42,647 --> 00:12:47,558 will be increased, punishment will be increased, 149 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,908 so similarly, human beings, they are becoming godless, 150 00:12:52,909 --> 00:12:56,238 so by nature there must be punishment. 151 00:12:56,239 --> 00:12:59,178 They will not be supplied food. 152 00:12:59,179 --> 00:13:04,518 Food supply will be restricted; after all, the food is in the hands of nature. 153 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:06,358 You cannot produce food. 154 00:13:06,359 --> 00:13:13,418 You can produce bolts and nuts in the factory, but you cannot eat bolts and nuts. 155 00:13:13,419 --> 00:13:16,838 You have to eat rice and grains. 156 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:22,068 So that restriction if there is… [Hindi] 157 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:31,058 The solution is to, back to home, back to Godhead; otherwise there is no solution. 158 00:13:31,059 --> 00:13:32,698 That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. 159 00:13:32,699 --> 00:13:35,848 daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14] 160 00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:42,508 The stringent laws of māyā is very strong; you cannot surpass them. 161 00:13:42,509 --> 00:13:47,118 mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg 7.14] 162 00:13:47,119 --> 00:13:54,688 If you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it is possible to get out of this entanglement. 163 00:13:54,689 --> 00:13:56,419 Otherwise it is not possible. 164 00:13:56,420 --> 00:14:01,386 They have tried so, so many ways and means, 165 00:14:01,387 --> 00:14:06,539 to solve the problems, but they could not do anything. 166 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:14,001 - Yes, corruption in the politics… - Yes, corruption will increase, sinful life increase, cheating. 167 00:14:14,002 --> 00:14:16,924 mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyāḥ [SB 1.1.10] 168 00:14:16,925 --> 00:14:22,559 - Misfortune; these things will… - GUEST (1): Adulteration of food. - Yes. 169 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:28,659 Even government cannot give nice food to the people, 170 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:32,255 what to speak of nice government. 171 00:14:32,256 --> 00:14:36,359 In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam… You have got the copy? 172 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,349 - PRADYUMNA: Yes. - ādāya. 173 00:14:38,350 --> 00:14:48,229 [indistinct] Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s reign, everything was ample supply. 174 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:51,279 kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4] 175 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,079 - You have got that verse? - I just have the black one. - Oh yes. 176 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,289 kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4] 177 00:14:59,290 --> 00:15:05,349 During Mahārāja Parīkṣit’s time, one black man was attempting to kill a cow. 178 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:10,569 Immediately the king wanted to kill him, immediately: “Oh, who are you?” 179 00:15:10,570 --> 00:15:15,680 It is the duty of the vaiśyas. 180 00:15:15,681 --> 00:15:19,780 kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam vaiśya-karma-svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.44] 181 00:15:19,781 --> 00:15:25,019 It is the duty of the vaiśyas to protect the cows, 182 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:29,165 to increase agricultural activities and trade. 183 00:15:29,166 --> 00:15:34,957 But they are now interested in producing electronic parts. 184 00:15:34,958 --> 00:15:40,577 No go-rakṣya, no vāṇijyam, no food production. 185 00:15:40,578 --> 00:15:45,383 Cheap profit, and for eating, 186 00:15:45,384 --> 00:15:49,636 let there be slaughterhouse and eat meat. 187 00:15:49,637 --> 00:15:56,170 And to digest meat, you drink wine; this is being taught. 188 00:15:56,171 --> 00:16:00,841 So you don't, you create the situation, 189 00:16:00,842 --> 00:16:06,140 and when you suffer, then why should we lament? 190 00:16:06,141 --> 00:16:10,388 We have created this situation, godless civilization, 191 00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:15,498 do not follow the direction of the śāstras. 192 00:16:15,499 --> 00:16:18,678 When we follow, what is that kāmam? 193 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:23,018 Kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ sarva-kāma-dughā mahī 194 00:16:23,019 --> 00:16:28,428 siṣicuḥ sma vrajān gāvaḥ payasodhasvatīr mudā [SB 1.10.4] 195 00:16:28,429 --> 00:16:32,648 Yes; kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4] 196 00:16:32,649 --> 00:16:39,978 So if there is regular rainfall, then you get all necessities of life. 197 00:16:39,979 --> 00:16:47,158 And the cows were so happy that the milk bag was so full, 198 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:53,158 that the pasturing ground became muddy with milk. 199 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:55,928 They were supplying so much milk. 200 00:16:55,929 --> 00:17:03,228 So arrangement should be made, how you can get more milk, and more foodgrains. 201 00:17:03,229 --> 00:17:07,258 Then the whole economic problem will be solved. 202 00:17:07,259 --> 00:17:17,412 But instead of getting more milk, they are slaughtering cows, innocent animals. 203 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:22,218 So people have become demons, rascals, so they must suffer. 204 00:17:22,219 --> 00:17:29,184 There is no other way. 205 00:17:29,185 --> 00:17:29,186 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Jitarati Dāsa & Pratyatoṣa Dāsa